The False Doctrine with key word "COVER"

[amigo de christo]

You say move over Paul, there is a new chief of sinners in town. Let's see if you are fibbing. Do you do any of these:

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like

Sister , i was once one of the worst . many folks think that paul is actually saying HE is still just a sinning away
just because he called himself chief of sinners . But paul was speaking OF HIS PAST .
Folks miss out on the pure beauty of truth . Even though paul was once that kind of sinner
What does he , or what DID he so often say . IF YE follow the flesh , YE are not Christs .
So when so called christians can say , OH i sin hundreds of times daily , what do you think paul would have said to that man .
HE would have said , WHO ye serve , IS WHOSE YE ARE . they so often forget many other parts in that bible .
PAUL was chief of sinners , He had persecuted even the church unto death . BUT he wasnt that man anymore .
BUT TODAY they try and act like paul was actually still comitting those many sins daily . NOT TRUE .
I have often said the same thing paul did . BUT i speak about what i once was . I also know that evil is stil present within me ,
BUT , that dont mean we have to be a slave to it . IF we are slaves to sin , aka sin hundreds of times a day . WE DONT KNOW HIM .
Folks also confuse the evil present within our flesh . What i mean is , they mistake thoughts that pop into our head
as it meaning we are sinning . NOT TRUE . that is the sin present within us , our flesh that pops those nasty thoughts into our head .
BUT it aint us sinning , UNLESS we entertain those evil thoughts .
An example . Lets say i notice a lady walking down the street , half dressed and etc . THEN all of a sudden BAM lust pops into my mind .
THAT is the flesh at work , BUT i aint slave to it , THE HOLY GHOST convicts VERY FAST once a thought pops into a mind .
BUT ITS UP TO US , whether we then HEED THE UNCTION of the SPIRIT to cease the lustful thought , OR do we
enteratain that lustful thought . Exactly . I hope i explained it well enough .
IF anyone has the SPIRIT , THE SPIRIT will unction you immediately when that thought pops into that head .
WHO WE GONNA OBEY . our flesh or JESUS . Folks HEED THE SPIRIT . What you sow to is what you reap .
And those who are Christs have crucified the flesh .
Let it not once be named among you as becometh saints . AND if any does err , Well , confess and forasake it . cease the evil .

 

[Ezra]

1 John 1:9 is the same as Peter's message in Acts of the Apostles 2:38. Repent! What does this accomplish, and does it need to be repeated over and over as so many preach as if accepting Jesus and the gift of the Holy Spirit makes no difference in our lives?

Acts 2:38 Repent and be baptized - ONCE
1 John 1:9 Repent and you are cleansed of ALL unrighteousness - ONCE

Then God supernaturally takes out our old nature of sin, making us dead to sin, and alive to righteousness through Christ. I FELT it happen. If, you never quench the Spirit, you will keep walking in the Spirit and endure to the end. It is quite easy to do. Indeed, the yoke of Jesus is easy and His burden is light.

are you promoting eternal security once saved always saved . what if a person that was married committed adultery and was saved . would they need to repent . Godly sorrow
2 Corinthians 7:10

“For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.”

Repentance in Christianity means a sincere turning away, in both the mind and heart, from self to God. It involves a change of mind that leads to action—the radical turning away from a sinful course to God. A person who is truly repentant recognizes God the Father as the most important factor of his or her existence.

judas repented of him self and hung himself. peter denied Christ 3 times cursed in denying him . went fishing instead of following Christ but in the Book of John Christ said lovest though me? i like peter he was very brassy. made mistakes but come back around. repent means to turn from..

so in your opinion a man or woman who commits adultery does not need to repent would this be correct to say? i am telling you the truth we must repent turn from

1 John 1:9 Repent and you are cleansed of ALL unrighteousness - ONCE

can you give scripture to back up your once theory ? that is the measuring stick to use

 

[ChristisGod]

are you promoting eternal security once saved always saved . what if a person that was married committed adultery and was saved . would they need to repent . Godly sorrow
2 Corinthians 7:10

“For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.”

Repentance in Christianity means a sincere turning away, in both the mind and heart, from self to God. It involves a change of mind that leads to action—the radical turning away from a sinful course to God. A person who is truly repentant recognizes God the Father as the most important factor of his or her existence.

judas repented of him self and hung himself. peter denied Christ 3 times cursed in denying him . went fishing instead of following Christ but in the Book of John Christ said lovest though me? i like peter he was very brassy. made mistakes but come back around. repent means to turn from..

so in your opinion a man or woman who commits adultery does not need to repent would this be correct to say? i am telling you the truth we must repent turn from can you give scripture to back up your once theory ? that is the measuring stick to use

no she is saying they are lost when the commit a big type of sin, only the little sins committed by people means they are saved. someone that commits a big sin like King David lost his salvation and then gained it back once he repented.

 

[Nancy]

Even though the epistle of the Hebrews does not directly identify its author no one knew the O.T. scriptures like the Apostle Paul in the N.T. And most biblical scholars say the greatest book ever written by man was Romans and Paul quotes the O.T. everywhere in that epistle much like we see in the epistle written to the Hebrews. That book is filled with O.T. scriptures. Paul was an expert on the Law like no other in his day. He had a one of a kind resume.

"Even though the epistle of the Hebrews does not directly identify its author no one knew the O.T. scriptures like the Apostle Paul in the N.T. And most biblical scholars say the greatest book ever written by man was Romans and Paul quotes the O.T. everywhere in that epistle much like we see in the epistle written to the Hebrews. That book is filled with O.T. scriptures. Paul was an expert on the Law like no other in his day. He had a one of a kind resume."

Yes, there is that, I do see much of Paul's writing style in Hebrews.



"15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified."

His Laws are etched on the lining of our hearts now...the desire to and the hatred of sin becomes the "new man". So that we might not live "in" sin nor self reliance. Amen!

"2 When they heard him speak to them in Aramaic, they became very quiet."

I find other versions that mostly say "Hebrew" rather than Aramaic...I know Jesus spoke Aramaic but...are they not totally different languages? Thinks that make me go hmm! :)


Galatians 2
"Then after fourteen years, I went up again to Jerusalem, this time with Barnabas. I took Titus along also."

I wonder, were Barnabas and Titus with Paul all those 14 years? If so then this would make me wonder:
"13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray."

"21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

Let it never be!

God Bless
Nancy

 

[ChristisGod]

"Even though the epistle of the Hebrews does not directly identify its author no one knew the O.T. scriptures like the Apostle Paul in the N.T. And most biblical scholars say the greatest book ever written by man was Romans and Paul quotes the O.T. everywhere in that epistle much like we see in the epistle written to the Hebrews. That book is filled with O.T. scriptures. Paul was an expert on the Law like no other in his day. He had a one of a kind resume."

Yes, there is that, I do see much of Paul's writing style in Hebrews.



"15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified."

His Laws are etched on the lining of our hearts now...the desire to and the hatred of sin becomes the "new man". So that we might not live "in" sin nor self reliance. Amen!

"2 When they heard him speak to them in Aramaic, they became very quiet."

I find other versions that mostly say "Hebrew" rather than Aramaic...I know Jesus spoke Aramaic but...are they not totally different languages? Thinks that make me go hmm! :)


Galatians 2
"Then after fourteen years, I went up again to Jerusalem, this time with Barnabas. I took Titus along also."

I wonder, were Barnabas and Titus with Paul all those 14 years? If so then this would make me wonder:
"13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray."

"21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

Let it never be!

God Bless
Nancy

Thanks for sharing that passage I forgot about barnabas being led astray which would appear on the surface to exclude him as the author.

 

[ChristisGod]

"Even though the epistle of the Hebrews does not directly identify its author no one knew the O.T. scriptures like the Apostle Paul in the N.T. And most biblical scholars say the greatest book ever written by man was Romans and Paul quotes the O.T. everywhere in that epistle much like we see in the epistle written to the Hebrews. That book is filled with O.T. scriptures. Paul was an expert on the Law like no other in his day. He had a one of a kind resume."

Yes, there is that, I do see much of Paul's writing style in Hebrews.



"15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified."

His Laws are etched on the lining of our hearts now...the desire to and the hatred of sin becomes the "new man". So that we might not live "in" sin nor self reliance. Amen!

"2 When they heard him speak to them in Aramaic, they became very quiet."

I find other versions that mostly say "Hebrew" rather than Aramaic...I know Jesus spoke Aramaic but...are they not totally different languages? Thinks that make me go hmm! :)


Galatians 2
"Then after fourteen years, I went up again to Jerusalem, this time with Barnabas. I took Titus along also."

I wonder, were Barnabas and Titus with Paul all those 14 years? If so then this would make me wonder:
"13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray."

"21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

Let it never be!

God Bless
Nancy

Nancy this is from Zondervan Academic :

Did Paul write Hebrews?

It is possible Paul wrote the book of Hebrews. There are a couple reasons why this might be the case.

First, in the earliest manuscript editions of the New Testament books, Hebrews is included after Romans among the books written by the apostle Paul. This was taken as evidence that Paul had written it, and some Eastern churches accepted Hebrews as canonical earlier than in the West.

Second, both Clement of Alexandria (c. AD 150 – 215) and Origen (AD 185 – 253) claimed a Pauline association for the book but recognized that Paul himself probably did not put pen to paper for this book, even though they did not know the author’s name.

Clement of Alexandria suggests that Paul wrote the book originally in Hebrew and that Luke translated it into Greek, though the Greek of Hebrews bears no resemblance to translation Greek (e.g., that of the Septuagint).

The King James Version assumes Pauline authorship

The nuanced position on the authorship question by the Alexandrian fathers was obscured by later church tradition that mistook Pauline association for Pauline authorship.

The enormously influential King James Bible took its cue from this tradition. In fact, in the KJV, you’ll find the title translated as it was found in some manuscripts: “The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Hebrews.” The tradition of Pauline authorship continued.

Parallels between Hebrews and Paul’s writings

It’s certainly reasonable to conclude Paul wrote the book of Hebrews. Many of the thoughts of Hebrews are similar to those found in Paul’s writings:

Hebrews

Paul's writings

Hebrews 1:3
“The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.”

Colossians 1:15 – 17
“The Son is the image of the invisible God. . . . For in him all things were created . . . and in him all things hold together.”

Hebrews 2:4
“God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.”

1 Corinthians 12:11
“All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.”

Hebrews 2:14( – 17)
“Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death. . . .”

Philippians 2:7 – 8
“Being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a human being,

he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death —
even death on a cross!”
Hebrews 8:6
“But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.”

2 Corinthians 3:6
“He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.”

Hebrews 10:14
“For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.”

Romans 5:9; 12:1
“Since we have now been justified by his blood”; “offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God.”

The soteriology of Hebrews is quite consistent with Paul’s own teaching. For instance, the statement in Hebrews 10:14 that those who have been “made perfect” are in the process of being “made holy” sounds very much like Paul’s teaching on justification (e.g., Rom. 3:21 – 5:9) and sanctification (e.g., Rom. 8:1 – 17). Moreover, both Paul and the author of Hebrews thought of Abraham as the spiritual father of Christians in similar ways.

And from Got Questions :

However, there is still much evidence that Paul wrote the letter. The most compelling comes from Scripture itself. Remember that Peter wrote to the Hebrews (that is, the Jews; see Galatians 2:7, 9 and 1 Peter 1:1). Peter wrote: "...just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him" (2 Peter 3:15). In that last verse, Peter is confirming that Paul had also written a letter to the Hebrews!

The theology presented in Hebrews is consistent with Paul’s. Paul was a proponent of salvation by faith alone (Ephesians 2:8, 9), and that message is strongly communicated in this epistle (Hebrews 4:2, 6:12, 10:19-22, 10:37-39, and 11:1-40). Either Paul wrote the epistle, or the writer was trained by Paul. Although it is a small detail, this epistle makes mention of Timothy (Hebrews 13:23), and Paul is the only apostle known to have ever done that in any letter.

 

[justbyfaith]

'Now we know that what things soever the law saith,
it saith to them who are under the law: ...'
(Roman 3:19a)

Hello @justbyfaith,

That is not what Romans 3:19 says.

Both Jew and Gentile are proved to be equally guilty before God, by the argument Paul has made in the previous chapters. So that he can justifiably say that ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God in Romans 3:23, but only the nation of Israel had been given the law, so only they can be said to have been 'under' it. (see Romans 2:14-15)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hi @charity,

Gentiles are also under the law in that they will be judged by it and found guilty before God because of it.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Sister , i was once one of the worst . many folks think that paul is actually saying HE is still just a sinning away
just because he called himself chief of sinners . But paul was speaking OF HIS PAST .
Folks miss out on the pure beauty of truth . Even though paul was once that kind of sinner
What does he , or what DID he so often say . IF YE follow the flesh , YE are not Christs .
So when so called christians can say , OH i sin hundreds of times daily , what do you think paul would have said to that man .
HE would have said , WHO ye serve , IS WHOSE YE ARE . they so often forget many other parts in that bible .
PAUL was chief of sinners , He had persecuted even the church unto death . BUT he wasnt that man anymore .
BUT TODAY they try and act like paul was actually still comitting those many sins daily . NOT TRUE .
I have often said the same thing paul did . BUT i speak about what i once was . I also know that evil is stil present within me ,
BUT , that dont mean we have to be a slave to it . IF we are slaves to sin , aka sin hundreds of times a day . WE DONT KNOW HIM .
Folks also confuse the evil present within our flesh . What i mean is , they mistake thoughts that pop into our head
as it meaning we are sinning . NOT TRUE . that is the sin present within us , our flesh that pops those nasty thoughts into our head .
BUT it aint us sinning , UNLESS we entertain those evil thoughts .
An example . Lets say i notice a lady walking down the street , half dressed and etc . THEN all of a sudden BAM lust pops into my mind .
THAT is the flesh at work , BUT i aint slave to it , THE HOLY GHOST convicts VERY FAST once a thought pops into a mind .
BUT ITS UP TO US , whether we then HEED THE UNCTION of the SPIRIT to cease the lustful thought , OR do we
enteratain that lustful thought . Exactly . I hope i explained it well enough .
IF anyone has the SPIRIT , THE SPIRIT will unction you immediately when that thought pops into that head .
WHO WE GONNA OBEY . our flesh or JESUS . Folks HEED THE SPIRIT . What you sow to is what you reap .
And those who are Christs have crucified the flesh .
Let it not once be named among you as becometh saints . AND if any does err , Well , confess and forasake it . cease the evil .

Yes, Paul was no longer a sinner. That was his past, as a few verses before say "former"

 

[justbyfaith]

God’s Way is to turn to Him as a Lost Sinner , Trusting in “ JESUS RIGHTEOUSNESS” for Salvation and not our own.

Yes....and Jesus' righteousness is not impractical (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).

Its the Oldest lesson in the Bible.On Judgement Day, If you elect to stand before God with the attitude of “ look what “ I” did” ( like Cain) as opposed to saying , “Look what “ HE” did “ FOR” me by His Shed Blood and my FAITH in that Shed Blood , you are going to be in for a very miserable day....

Indeed....and His blood does not only justify (as per Romans 5:9)...it sanctifies (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

So, is it possible that the blood of Jesus, when applied, will do one thing (justify) without also doing the other (sanctify and cleanse)?

Is it therefore possible for the righteousness of Jesus to be imputed without also being imparted in due time?

and Eternal Life never ends as some falsely teach.

Of course, we know that people can have the appearance of being saved and then fall away from that appearance..

In 2 Peter 2:20-22, it speaks of those who escape the pollutions of the world but who end up "returning to their vomit" and "their wallowing in the mire". That these were never sheep is evident....it is clear that they were either a dog or swine. However, for all practical purposes I am certain that they appeared to be sheep and very likely thought themselves to be sheep.

Therefore I believe it is imperative that we all continue to heed Paul's exhortation in Hebrews 3:12-13 and that we exhort one another daily lest any of us be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin and end up departing from the living God.

 

[CharismaticLady]

are you promoting eternal security once saved always saved . what if a person that was married committed adultery and was saved . would they need to repent . Godly sorrow
2 Corinthians 7:10

“For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.”

Repentance in Christianity means a sincere turning away, in both the mind and heart, from self to God. It involves a change of mind that leads to action—the radical turning away from a sinful course to God. A person who is truly repentant recognizes God the Father as the most important factor of his or her existence.

judas repented of him self and hung himself. peter denied Christ 3 times cursed in denying him . went fishing instead of following Christ but in the Book of John Christ said lovest though me? i like peter he was very brassy. made mistakes but come back around. repent means to turn from..

so in your opinion a man or woman who commits adultery does not need to repent would this be correct to say? i am telling you the truth we must repent turn from can you give scripture to back up your once theory ? that is the measuring stick to use

How many times must you repent before you are dead to sin? Romans 6:1-2

How many times must you repent before you are cleansed of all sin? 1 John 1:9

How many times must you repent before you are filled with the powerful sinless Holy Spirit and no longer in the flesh, but in the Spirit. Romans 8:9

I am not promoting the Reformation's twisted doctrine of OSAS, no! I believe in Jesus' gift of freedom from sin, not freedom to sin, the true meaning of being born again.

 

[ChristisGod]

How many times must you repent before you are dead to sin? Romans 6:1-2

How many times must you repent before you are cleansed of all sin? 1 John 1:9

How many times must you repent before you are filled with the powerful sinless Holy Spirit and no longer in the flesh, but in the Spirit. Romans 8:9

I am not promoting the Reformation's twisted doctrine of OSAS, no! I believe in Jesus' gift of freedom from sin, not freedom to sin, the true meaning of being born again.

How many times are you to forgive your brother ?

Do you understand how the kingdom of Jesus works ?

Matthew 18

Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”

22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.

23 “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold was brought to him. 25 Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.

26 “At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27 The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.

28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins. He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.

29 “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’

30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.

32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”

 

[justbyfaith]

That number seventy times seven (in the kjv) being reminiscent of the 490 years that God allowed Israel to steep in idolatry before He judged them by carrying them away captive into Babylon.

Which indicates that there may indeed be a limit to God's forgiveness and grace.

The Lord will extend grace and mercy to you...

But His ultimate goal is to bring you to that place in your heart where you will be repenting of sin.

You can find this principle in Luke 13:6-9.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Could it be that it would be YOU who would call Jesus' doctrine of sinless perfection, demonic???

“If we say we have no sin, we call God a Liar “
The “ Father Of Lies” is Satan.....You figure it out....

“ONLY God is Good”......See, you aren’t even “ good”......much less are you “ Perfect”.
I, as you , am extremely “ unrighteous” in reality .My “ Holiness” is an absolute joke— as is yours.You and I and everybody out there has Secret Thoughts that would shame Hell itself and if it were not for the “ Loop- Hole” That God have us — The IMPUTATION Of “BOTH” Righteousness AND Holiness, because we put our COMPLETE FAITH in the BLOOD of the LAMB we would receive the Damnation we deserve. Some here need to leave “ The Fool’s Paradise “, thinking that they have something to offer in regard to Salvation ....all that we have to offer God is our Sins...
Jesus NEVER preached “Sinless Perfection” as the Way to be Saved....He never preached it as a Goal to be obtained , as a Way to “guarantee” your Salvation once you obtained it.GOd does not NEED you pitiful attempts at trying to be Perfect in a Body of Flesh —- God is Perfect.....His Son is perfect....the Holy Spirit is Perfect.....He is surrounded by Millions ( if not billions ) of Angels that never miss a beat. God is looking for TRUST! Will God keep His Word about HIS WAY to get and stay Saved? “ HIS WAY” is to “ BELIEVE in the One That He sent”
If you truly “ Believe In” the One He sent ( Jesus ) , you will prove that you do by RESTING in the Gospel Of 1 Cor15:1-4..... It’s a Gospel Of of ” Grace Plus Nothing”....Complete Trust in the Finished Work Of The Cross.....THAT is Faith ! Remember that little “ thingy” called Faith? THAT and THAT ALONE is what will activate the ONLY MEANS of Salvation that God extends to Wretched men and woman — GRACE...... “By Grace you are Saved, through Faith— NOT , “By reaching the goal of Sinless Perfection , you are Saved and Stay Saved.....
“ The Righteous shall live by Faith”.You need to stop concentrating on YOUR PERFORMANCE and start concentrating on your FAITH! You feel secure and self-satisfied and quite Proud of the Great “ LEVEL” of Perfection that you think you have. How shocked you will be the day you discover it was all the Equivalent Of “ used menstrual rags” ..... in the end , God ain’t all that much interested in what “ you do” .....he is interested more in what “HE” does Through you....

 

[Ezra]

How many times must you repent before you are dead to sin? Romans 6:1-2

How many times must you repent before you are cleansed of all sin? 1 John 1:9

How many times must you repent before you are filled with the powerful sinless Holy Spirit and no longer in the flesh, but in the Spirit. Romans 8:9

I am not promoting the Reformation's twisted doctrine of OSAS, no! I believe in Jesus' gift of freedom from sin, not freedom to sin, the true meaning of being born again.

do you sin any at all? do you get angry and sin? do you believe that it is possible to sin after salvation? you feel no need to ever ask for forgiveness ? plz take time to answer these questions yes or no

 

[Ezra]

am not promoting the Reformation's twisted doctrine of OSAS,

its not just the reformation .but in essence you are agreeing with osas doctrine.

I believe in Jesus' gift of freedom from sin, not freedom to sin, the true meaning of being born again.

do you believe in free will .. why would paul write galatians 2:20 the in john he wrote my little children 1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous... paul wrote in hebrews to approach the throne f Grace.. there is no need for a advocate or to approach the throne of Grace . if what your saying holds true.. because we will sin yes we have been given all we need to live it.. the battle of flesh/ spirit is alive

 

[justbyfaith]

Some here need to leave “ The Fool’s Paradise “, thinking that they have something to offer in regard to Salvation ....all that we have to offer God is our Sins...

That's right...and He offers you His righteousness in exchange for your sins...which is not impractical (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:10, Matthew 5:6).

Jesus NEVER preached “Sinless Perfection” as the Way to be Saved....

Of course not...He preached that if you know the truth, the truth will set you free from sin (John 8:31-36)...so He was saying that you will be "sanctified wholly" (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv)) as the result of knowing the truth (being saved).

If you truly “ Believe In” the One He sent ( Jesus ) , you will prove that you do by RESTING in the Gospel Of 1 Cor15:1-4..... It’s a Gospel Of of ” Grace Plus Nothing”....Complete Trust in the Finished Work Of The Cross.....THAT is Faith !

Indeed...and as we rest in that faith...God does the supernatural work within us of sanctifying us wholly (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv), Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), 1 John 3:9; Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10; 1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, 1 John 2:6).

“By Grace you are Saved, through Faith— NOT , “By reaching the goal of Sinless Perfection , you are Saved and Stay Saved.....

Again, correct. However, "sinless perfection" (a misnomer), or rather, entire sanctification, is a result of being saved if you have managed to obtain this second benefit (2 Corinthians 1:15) by faith.

You need to stop concentrating on YOUR PERFORMANCE and start concentrating on your FAITH! You feel secure and self-satisfied and quite Proud of the Great “ LEVEL” of Perfection that you think you have. How shocked you will be the day you discover it was all the Equivalent Of “ used menstrual rags”

Two things:

1) Of course our key to holiness is to not concentrate on our performance but on drawing up nourishment from the vine, abiding in Jesus Christ.

2) The righteousness which is of God by faith (which is practical in nature, 1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6) is not identified by the Lord as "filthy menstrual rags" (Isaiah 64:6) but as "fine linen, clean and white" (Revelation 19:8). It is the righteousness which is of the law that is counted as "filthy menstrual rags" (compare Philippians 3:9, Isaiah 64:6, Revelation 19:8).

 

[CharismaticLady]

How many times are you to forgive your brother ?

Do you understand how the kingdom of Jesus works ?

Matthew 18

Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”

22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.

23 “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold was brought to him. 25 Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.

26 “At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27 The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.

28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins. He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.

29 “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’

30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.

32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”

We have to forgive our brethren their trespasses against us, in order for our own unknown trespasses to be forgiven us. Matthew 6:14-15

Notice in 1 John 1:7 a person walking in the Spirit, having full fellowship with brethren. How? Because we forgive each other and the blood of Jesus continually cleanses us of those trespasses.

 

[CharismaticLady]

“If we say we have no sin, we call God a Liar “
The “ Father Of Lies” is Satan.....You figure it out....

“ONLY God is Good”......See, you aren’t even “ good”......much less are you “ Perfect”.
I, as you , am extremely “ unrighteous” in reality .My “ Holiness” is an absolute joke— as is yours.You and I and everybody out there has Secret Thoughts that would shame Hell itself and if it were not for the “ Loop- Hole” That God have us — The IMPUTATION Of “BOTH” Righteousness AND Holiness, because we put our COMPLETE FAITH in the BLOOD of the LAMB we would receive the Damnation we deserve. Some here need to leave “ The Fool’s Paradise “, thinking that they have something to offer in regard to Salvation ....all that we have to offer God is our Sins...
Jesus NEVER preached “Sinless Perfection” as the Way to be Saved....He never preached it as a Goal to be obtained , as a Way to “guarantee” your Salvation once you obtained it.GOd does not NEED you pitiful attempts at trying to be Perfect in a Body of Flesh —- God is Perfect.....His Son is perfect....the Holy Spirit is Perfect.....He is surrounded by Millions ( if not billions ) of Angels that never miss a beat. God is looking for TRUST! Will God keep His Word about HIS WAY to get and stay Saved? “ HIS WAY” is to “ BELIEVE in the One That He sent”
If you truly “ Believe In” the One He sent ( Jesus ) , you will prove that you do by RESTING in the Gospel Of 1 Cor15:1-4..... It’s a Gospel Of of ” Grace Plus Nothing”....Complete Trust in the Finished Work Of The Cross.....THAT is Faith ! Remember that little “ thingy” called Faith? THAT and THAT ALONE is what will activate the ONLY MEANS of Salvation that God extends to Wretched men and woman — GRACE...... “By Grace you are Saved, through Faith— NOT , “By reaching the goal of Sinless Perfection , you are Saved and Stay Saved.....
“ The Righteous shall live by Faith”.You need to stop concentrating on YOUR PERFORMANCE and start concentrating on your FAITH! You feel secure and self-satisfied and quite Proud of the Great “ LEVEL” of Perfection that you think you have. How shocked you will be the day you discover it was all the Equivalent Of “ used menstrual rags” ..... in the end , God ain’t all that much interested in what “ you do” .....he is interested more in what “HE” does Through you....

Jesus' doctrine of sinless perfection is with Him inside of us. What 1 John 1:8 is addressing is someone BEFORE coming to Christ who does NOT have Jesus inside them. So if they say they don't sin, they are a liar. Their sin has not been taken away by the only source of that cleansing, the blood of Jesus Christ.

 

[CharismaticLady]

do you sin any at all? do you get angry and sin? do you believe that it is possible to sin after salvation? you feel no need to ever ask for forgiveness ? plz take time to answer these questions yes or no

Jesus has made the New Covenant so easy. What I do is never do anything against my conscience where through the baptism of the Holy Spirit, God's laws are written. I also make sure I am not holding any unforgiveness against anyone who has hurt me. That way with a clear conscience I have assurance with God each night, and as I keep forgiving, my own unknown trespasses are forgiven me.

1 John 3:21-24; Matthew 6:14-15

With the Spirit making my conscience super-sensitive, it is easy to not sin. Go with your conscience. I don't know what all the questions are about being sinlessness, like I'm saying something unorthodox. It is what Paul, Peter and John preached. Why is it so hard to grasp? I never say I'm perfect, that is why I must keep forgiving. But we must all strive to build our walk towards perfection by the steps in 2 Peter 1:5-7.

It is only those who believe the twisted doctrines of defeatism from the Reformation such as "we will always sin," "if we say we don't sin we are a liar," "we must constantly ask forgiveness for our sins," that makes the actual word of God seem unorthodox. It comes from taking scriptures out of context, like 1 John 1:8 that is about someone who is not a Christian saying they don't sin, when the context is the very next verse that then cleanses us from all sin, making us sinless, and no longer a sinner, but a child of God. You can't be both.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Perhaps this will put an end to C L ‘s Confusion.....I pray that it does.....