The False Doctrine with key word "COVER"
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Could it be that it would be YOU who would call Jesus' doctrine of sinless perfection, demonic???
Hey, girl, that was fast. You must be on your computer. I haven't even had my coffee yet. (I go to bed and can't sleep for hours while I read until I get sleepy, thus my clock is off and I get up late.)
Well, Paul always signed his work. The writers of Hebrews and the Epistle of Barnabas didn't. There are similarities in obscure content between the EoB and Hebrews found no where else in the Bible. Barnabas was also an apostle, and what little is said of him, I see extreme holiness in him. I would have loved to have sat and talked with him for hours.
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You say move over Paul, there is a new chief of sinners in town. Let's see if you are fibbing. Do you do any of these:
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like
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Hi @Nancy,
The following is interesting in regard to the writer of Hebrews being Paul:-
'And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;
even as our beloved brother Paul also
according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things;
in which are some things hard to be understood,
which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest,
as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.'
(2 Peter 3:15)
* Peter's epistles, as an Apostle to the circumcision, were addressed to the believing remnant of Israel who were dispersed among the nations . So it was to Hebrew believers that he was speaking. He refers to the fact that Paul had written to them too.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
* The Berean spirit,
' ... they received the word with all readiness of mind,
and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.'
(Act 17:11)
The biggest difference I can see from Paul's other epistles and Hebrews is that he seems to never use his name or refer to himself. Maybe the reason why is because he became a 'Jew to the Jews, a Gentile to the Gentiles' so, his use of language changed somewhat there? Either way, I do believe it was Paul who wrote Hebrews. Thank you!
In Him,
Nancy
I see Paul writing to Gentiles also who knew the law, as well as Christian Jews.
Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?
Could be! I've only read a small bit of Barnaba's writings and, that was long ago. I know many think it was Barnabas. Hmmm...maybe it was both, lol.
Also, Paul and Barnaba's did a lot of traveling to preach to the gentiles, so I'm sure they influenced one another in how they spoke and wrote.
Hi @CharismaticLady & @Nancy,
Yes, I'm sat at my dining table typing away.
I prefer to leave the authorship where it has been assigned, though it is it's content which matters more than it's authorship, don't you agree?
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
"it is it's content which matters more than it's authorship, don't you agree?"
Agreed. I just find it to be interesting that, if it was Barnabas, why are there none of his writings in the N.T.
xo
Yes, but it
Exactly, and that is precisely why I don't think it was Paul. In many of Paul's letters (5) he spoke of justification by faith, whereas in Hebrews faith is discussed fully, but never justification, justified, justify. Paul and Barnabas taught together, so the absence of justification could even make the author Apollos, the third candidate. But for myself, and because I don't have any known works of Apollos to compare it to, I choose Barnabas because of the similarities in the EoB.
There were a number of "lists of candidates" submitted for review. And the Epistle of Barnabas was on 6 of those lists. Maybe they didn't choose Barnabas because he wasn't a relative of Jesus, nor appointed directly by Jesus to be an apostle as were the 11 and Paul.
Whatever the reason, it was a shame that it wasn't, because if it were part of the New Testament, making the total number exactly divisible by 7, we also wouldn't have so many debates over the issue of the Sabbath on the forums.
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@Nancy
Hi there,
I believe there is sufficient internal evidence which marks this letter as being that of Paul, by both style and content. The use of words common to Paul, and used in his other Epistles, and figures, such as 'a race', with its striving and running with a reward in view, which is peculiar to Paul and the Hebrews letter (eg., Philippians 3 & 1 Corinthians 9:24). The Greek word Agon or 'race' is used six times in the New Testament, five times used by Paul, and once in the Hebrew letter. The same can be said for the illustration of striving in the games, all of which is peculiar to Paul's other epistles and that of Hebrews. There are other examples, such as Paul's habit of digressing which is evident in the Hebrew letter too.
In regard to the lack of signature, it was suggested by one theologian that Hebrews was circulated as a covering letter with another, so that the one signature would cover both. The one suggested was that of the epistle to the Galatians, because of it's content. (No time to take this further)
Just thoughts,
In Christ Jesus
Chris
@Nancy
Hi there,
I believe there is sufficient internal evidence which marks this letter as being that of Paul, by both style and content. The use of words common to Paul, and used in his other Epistles, and figures, such as 'a race', with its striving and running with a reward in view, which is peculiar to Paul and the Hebrews letter (eg., Philippians 3 & 1 Corinthians 9:24). The Greek word Agon or 'race' is used six times in the New Testament, five times used by Paul, and once in the Hebrew letter. The same can be said for the illustration of striving in the games, all of which is peculiar to Paul's other epistles and that of Hebrews. There are other examples, such as Paul's habit of digressing which is evident in the Hebrew letter too.
In regard to the lack of signature, it was suggested by one theologian that Hebrews was circulated as a covering letter with another, so that the one signature would cover both. The one suggested was that of the epistle to the Galatians, because of it's content. (No time to take this further)
Just thoughts,
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Seeing as I doubt Barnabas killed Paul, I believe one person wrote Hebrews. LOL But similarities should be found in Hebrews even if written solely by Barnabas, as they were preaching together for years. Also, you can see Paul's character in his writings, and I doubt very, very much he would write a book and not take credit for it by not signing it.
ChristisGod
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Even though the epistle of the Hebrews does not directly identify its author no one knew the O.T. scriptures like the Apostle Paul in the N.T. And most biblical scholars say the greatest book ever written by man was Romans and Paul quotes the O.T. everywhere in that epistle much like we see in the epistle written to the Hebrews. That book is filled with O.T. scriptures. Paul was an expert on the Law like no other in his day. He had a one of a kind resume.
Philippians 3
If someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5 circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; 6 as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless.
Acts 22
“Brothers and fathers, listen now to my defense.”
2 When they heard him speak to them in Aramaic, they became very quiet.
Then Paul said: 3 “I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city. I studied under Gamaliel and was thoroughly trained in the law of our ancestors. I was just as zealous for God as any of you are today. 4 I persecuted the followers of this Way to their death, arresting both men and women and throwing them into prison, 5 as the high priest and all the Council can themselves testify. I even obtained letters from them to their associates in Damascus, and went there to bring these people as prisoners to Jerusalem to be punished.
Galatians 2
Then after fourteen years, I went up again to Jerusalem, this time with Barnabas. I took Titus along also. 2 I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain. 3 Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek. 4 This matter arose because some false believers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves. 5 We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you.
6 As for those who were held in high esteem—whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not show favoritism—they added nothing to my message. 7 On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised. 8 For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me as an apostle to the Gentiles. 9 James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised. 10 All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I had been eager to do all along.
Paul Opposes Cephas
11 When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.
14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
17 “But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker.
19 “For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”
ChristisGod
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Here is a good article on Gamaliel and his influence upon the early church.
Question: "Who was Gamaliel in the Bible?"
Answer: Gamaliel was a first-century Jewish rabbi and a leader in the Jewish Sanhedrin. Gamaliel is mentioned a couple of times in Scripture as a famous and well-respected teacher. Indirectly, Gamaliel had a profound effect on the early church.
Gamaliel was a Pharisee and a grandson of the famous Rabbi Hillel. Like his grandfather, Gamaliel was known for taking a rather lenient view of the Old Testament law in contrast to his contemporary, Rabbi Shammai, who held to a more stringent understanding of Jewish traditions.
The first biblical reference to Rabbi Gamaliel is found in Acts 5. The scene is a meeting of the Sanhedrin, where John and Peter are standing trial. After having warned the apostles to cease preaching in the name of Jesus, the Jewish council becomes infuriated when Simon Peter defiantly replies, “We must obey God rather than human beings!” (Acts 5:29). Peter had no intention of ceasing to proclaim the gospel, regardless of the possible repercussions. Peter’s defiance enrages the council, who begin to seek the death of the apostles. Into the fray steps Gamaliel. The rabbi, “who was honored by all the people” (Acts 5:34), first orders the apostles to be removed from the room. Gamaliel then encourages the council to be cautious in dealing with Jesus’ followers: “In the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God” (Acts 5:38–39). The Sanhedrin is persuaded by Gamaliel’s words (verse 40). That the council acquiesced to his advice speaks to the influence that Gamaliel possessed.
Later rabbis lauded Gamaliel for his knowledge, but he may be better known for his most famous pupil—another Pharisee named Saul of Tarsus (Acts 22:3), who later became the apostle Paul. It was under the tutelage of Rabbi Gamaliel that Paul developed an expert knowledge of the Hebrew Scriptures. Paul’s educational and professional credentials allowed him to preach in the synagogues wherever he traveled (see Acts 17:2), and his grasp of Old Testament history and law aided his presentation of Jesus Christ as the One who had fulfilled the Law (Matthew 5:17).
Gamaliel is also mentioned by the historian Josephus, who wrote of the nobility of Gamaliel’s son, Simon (Vita, 38). Josephus’ description of Gamaliel’s family is consistent with the picture we see of him in the book of Acts. The Talmud also mentions Gamaliel, but there is still much that we do not know about him. As with many figures from ancient history, our knowledge of Gamaliel is limited. From the sources that we do possess, it is clear that Gamaliel and his family were revered as men of wisdom and prudential judgment. In God’s sovereign plan, this Jewish rabbi preserved the lives of the apostles in the early church and helped equip the greatest Christian missionary. got questions
hope this helps !!!
Question: "Who was Gamaliel in the Bible?"
Answer: Gamaliel was a first-century Jewish rabbi and a leader in the Jewish Sanhedrin. Gamaliel is mentioned a couple of times in Scripture as a famous and well-respected teacher. Indirectly, Gamaliel had a profound effect on the early church.
Gamaliel was a Pharisee and a grandson of the famous Rabbi Hillel. Like his grandfather, Gamaliel was known for taking a rather lenient view of the Old Testament law in contrast to his contemporary, Rabbi Shammai, who held to a more stringent understanding of Jewish traditions.
The first biblical reference to Rabbi Gamaliel is found in Acts 5. The scene is a meeting of the Sanhedrin, where John and Peter are standing trial. After having warned the apostles to cease preaching in the name of Jesus, the Jewish council becomes infuriated when Simon Peter defiantly replies, “We must obey God rather than human beings!” (Acts 5:29). Peter had no intention of ceasing to proclaim the gospel, regardless of the possible repercussions. Peter’s defiance enrages the council, who begin to seek the death of the apostles. Into the fray steps Gamaliel. The rabbi, “who was honored by all the people” (Acts 5:34), first orders the apostles to be removed from the room. Gamaliel then encourages the council to be cautious in dealing with Jesus’ followers: “In the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God” (Acts 5:38–39). The Sanhedrin is persuaded by Gamaliel’s words (verse 40). That the council acquiesced to his advice speaks to the influence that Gamaliel possessed.
Later rabbis lauded Gamaliel for his knowledge, but he may be better known for his most famous pupil—another Pharisee named Saul of Tarsus (Acts 22:3), who later became the apostle Paul. It was under the tutelage of Rabbi Gamaliel that Paul developed an expert knowledge of the Hebrew Scriptures. Paul’s educational and professional credentials allowed him to preach in the synagogues wherever he traveled (see Acts 17:2), and his grasp of Old Testament history and law aided his presentation of Jesus Christ as the One who had fulfilled the Law (Matthew 5:17).
Gamaliel is also mentioned by the historian Josephus, who wrote of the nobility of Gamaliel’s son, Simon (Vita, 38). Josephus’ description of Gamaliel’s family is consistent with the picture we see of him in the book of Acts. The Talmud also mentions Gamaliel, but there is still much that we do not know about him. As with many figures from ancient history, our knowledge of Gamaliel is limited. From the sources that we do possess, it is clear that Gamaliel and his family were revered as men of wisdom and prudential judgment. In God’s sovereign plan, this Jewish rabbi preserved the lives of the apostles in the early church and helped equip the greatest Christian missionary. got questions
hope this helps !!!
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