https://www.eternallifeministries.org/awp_covenants.pdf See pages 4-11 by Pink The Everlasting Covenant
THE FAITH OF CHRIST
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Sorry I cant deal with that much detail anymore
Cant you convey succintly what it is about
Sorry i can but i wont, but if you really want to know,I provided you with a good source, even better than from me
Where does it say that in the Bible? You are saying that God the Son, only believed but didn't know with absolute certainty, that God the Father would save Him. That doesn't say much about the absolute divinity of Jesus.
Jesus was there from the beginning. As God, the Son, He together with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit laid down the entire plan for the creation (Col 1:16). He knew absolutely what was going to happen.
I read the section in the article
I get he is saying the father and Son made covenant together however in scripture I cant see a verse to support this when I seacred everlasting covenant I see it being applied to Israel
You may not see it, but many others do see it, and israel is the elect, regardless of ethnicity, race isnt a factor in salvation. Christ who is the Surety of the Covenant, who shed His Blood according to it Heb 13:20
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
His Blood of the covenant wasnt just shed for ethnic jews but some gentiles as well
That is probably because you don't really understand what faith is. You don't understand what it means to believe in God or how one comes to believe in God.
And that from the one here whose posts, more than most, project things upon people just for his own pleasure to argue.
What is the Faith of Jesus Christ ? For example:
Rom 3:22
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Gal 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 3:22
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Contrary to what many believe and teach, the genitive phrase Faith of Jesus Christ is not speaking of the believers Faith, but of Christs Faith/Faithfulness. The word Faith in all three of these scriptures are genitive nouns meaning its Christs own Faith/Faithfulness in view. To be Justified by the Faith of Christ is simply being Justified by His Faithfulness or Obedience. Rom 5:19 points to that, its being made righteous by the obedience of one, that one being Christ.
Same thing in Phil 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Gods Elect are made, declared legally righteous or Justified by Christs Faithful Obedience to fulfill all conditions needed before Gods Law and Justice in their behalf.
Rom 3:22
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Gal 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 3:22
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Contrary to what many believe and teach, the genitive phrase Faith of Jesus Christ is not speaking of the believers Faith, but of Christs Faith/Faithfulness. The word Faith in all three of these scriptures are genitive nouns meaning its Christs own Faith/Faithfulness in view. To be Justified by the Faith of Christ is simply being Justified by His Faithfulness or Obedience. Rom 5:19 points to that, its being made righteous by the obedience of one, that one being Christ.
Same thing in Phil 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Gods Elect are made, declared legally righteous or Justified by Christs Faithful Obedience to fulfill all conditions needed before Gods Law and Justice in their behalf.
In the Greek, there is neither and "of" or an "in" for the phrase "faith of/iin Jesus Christ". It is a genitive as you indicated. However, the genitive in Greek can and often does take the form of an objective genitive, meaning here that Jesus Christ is the object in the phrase. Most scholars agree that διὰ πίστεως ᾿Ιησοῦ Χριστοῦ is best translated as "through faith IN Jesus Christ".
Marvelloustime
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Get back daily to reading those bibles and stay in prayers to the Lord. The only way to receive everlasting life is believing in the biblical Lord Jesus Christ. Be ready. His return is very close.
The sacrificial death of Jesus on the cross was the basis for God's justification of all who believe. Faith is the means whereby one is justified by God. The believer is justified. Faith is what separates those who are justified from those who are not. Justification is not the source or the cause for faith.
In Romans 3:22, faith, believing in Jesus Christ, is the determining factor for who gets justified. It is twice specified as "through faith (believing in Jesus Christ) for all who believe (in Jesus Christ). In the first part of the sentence the emphasis is on believing in Jesus Christ; while in the seacon part of the sentence the emphasis is on the all who are believing in Jesus Christ.
That it is the objective genitive is further strengthened by verses 25 and 26.
(KJV)Rom 3:25 (Jesus Christ) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
(ESV)Rom 3:25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
So here we see it is the believer who is justified rather than, as you proclaim, the justified who believes.
@JBO
Correct and them only. It wasn't for them who never believe. Also the obedience of Jesus Christ makes men righteous and believers Rom 5:19
For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience/faithfulness of the One the many will be made righteous
Correct and them only. It wasn't for them who never believe. Also the obedience of Jesus Christ makes men righteous and believers Rom 5:19
For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience/faithfulness of the One the many will be made righteous
amigo de christo
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and as i am sure you are aware my friend , that when JESUS said your faith has saved you
it was not the faith in themselves but their FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST .
I seen a lot of kennys and bennys over the years who have taught some of the upmost wicked things to men .
One of them even said HAD the man at the pool where the angel stirred the water
had FAITH within himself , he would not have NEEDED JESUS to heal him ., That was some real scary stuff to hear my friend .
As i am quite sure you do agree . Faith in us , in our own ability , is like having faith in vainity
but faith IN CHRIST in GOD , now that is FAITH .
I believe the same one also said , I HAD to tell GOD to get the SON out of way so i could get the job done . Scary huh .
amigo de christo
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I believe john would have stopped the mouths of many who beleive otherwise .
For HE wrote and said HE who beleives not the testimony that GOD gave of the SON , IS actually calling GOD a liar .
YOU are correct my friend .
He who denies that JESUS is the CHRIST is anti christ . SO again you are spot on correct my friend .
It is the same "many" in both cases.
Romans 5:18 Rom 5:18 Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
Christ is the great shepherd of the sheep.
Christ does not shepherd anyone else.
The Lord is my shepherd;
I shall not [a]want.
2 He makes me to lie down in [b]green pastures;
He leads me beside the [c]still waters.
3 He restores my soul;
He leads me in the paths of righteousness
For His name’s sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil;
For You are with me;
Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.
5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
You anoint my head with oil;
My cup runs over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me
All the days of my life;
And I will [d]dwell in the house of the Lord
[e]Forever.
