All men are in focus in that passage. It is only those with a predisposition biased by the teachings of Augustine, Calvin and others of similar confusion that fail to see the truth.
THE FAITH OF CHRIST
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For the Elect of God, the Faith/Faithfulness of Christ perfectly fulfilled the Law on their behalf Rom 5:19, He achieved for them a Justifying Righteousness before Gods Law and Justice. He accomplished this by His perfect Faithfulness, Obedience which included suffering all the just penalty due to their sins. See Christ was Faithful to Him that appointed Him Heb 3:1-2
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
The bible makes it clear that believers were at first before they believed, Justified by the Faith or Faithfulness of Jesus Christ Gal 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Understanding that the elects Justification was completely effected by Jesus Christ, that it was finished objectively by the Faithful Obedience of the Lord Jesus Christ as our Surety representative.
Lets look at the times Paul uses the phrase or similar Faith of Jesus Christ Rom 3:22
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Gal 2:16,20
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 3:22
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Eph 3:12
12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
Phil 3:9
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
And its interesting this phrase is used 7 times ! f
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Understanding that the elects Justification was completely effected by Jesus Christ, that it was finished objectively by the Faithful Obedience of the Lord Jesus Christ as our Surety representative.
Lets look at the times Paul uses the phrase or similar Faith of Jesus Christ Rom 3:22
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Gal 2:16,20
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 3:22
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Eph 3:12
12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
Phil 3:9
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
And its interesting this phrase is used 7 times ! f
Define what you think "faith of Jesus" means. And please do so with respect to the Biblical definition of faith as given in Hebrews 11:1
(ESV) Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
(KJV) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
I might understand #86 if posted there were the proper translations/interpretations of those passages:
Gal 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Rom 3:22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:
Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
Gal 3:22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
Eph 3:12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through our faith in him.
Php 3:9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith--
As you have posted, #86 makes no sense at all. The phrase "faith OF Christ" is simply a false concept. Christ, the Son of God, the second person of the Trinity, neither needed nor had faith in God; Jesus was/is God.
The faith of Christ is defined in this verse where it says even we have believed in Jesus Christ,
When the Scriptures declare that we are justified by the faith of Christ, or by faith in Christ, the meaning is not that our faith justifies us, but rather that Christ, the Object of our faith, justifies us. We are not justified by our act of faith in him, but by his faithful obedience to God for us as our Representative. Faith receives the blessedness of peace with God as the result of justification. It is written, Christ "was delivered for (because of) our offenses, and was raised again for (because of) our justification. Therefore being justified, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" (Rom. 4:25-5:1).https://www.angelfire.com/va/sovereigngrace/fourfoldjustification.html
Thats Correct, thats who believes in Christ, the ones who were Justified by His Faithfulness
amigo de christo
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Abraham is an example of one who had faith . ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD and thus abraham OBEYED HIM .
KINDA TUFF for these sold out men to say
WE have faith in GOD when they preach UNBELIEF IN CHRIST .
You see had one had faith in GOD , WHY WOULD THEY REJECT JESUS THE CHRIST .
IF man believeth not the testimony that GOD HIMSELF gave of JESUS THE CHRIST ,
well that DID NOT DO ABRAHAM . abraham BELIEVED GOD . AND GOD TESTIED OF JESUS THE CHRIST
and yet MANY SURE SEEM To Not BELEIVE that testimony .
OH they can holler all day , to me , we love GOD , and GOD IS LOVE
WELL i say IF YE HAD LOVED GOD YE HAD LOVED JESUS THE CHRIST FOR HECAME FORTH OF GOD .
but I didnt actaully say this first . JESUS DID .
HAD YOU LOVED GOD YOU WOULD HAVE LOVED ME . he later says to them YE ARE OF YOUR DADDY , PAPPY , father
THE DEVIL . KINDA IMPOSSIBLE for a man to have faith in GOD
WHEN HE CANT EVEN BELIEVE GOD . This did not DO ABRAHAM .
amigo de christo
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even we BELIEVED IN JESUS CHRIST that we might be JUSTIFIED . you , my dear sir
are twisting things . You do realize that interfaith is of anti christ , it is the glue of satan .
I ask that for a reason . tell me , how do you view this interfaith do you see it as good or as evil .
Tis you who are twisting things and opposing the truth
The interesting thing about Hebrews 11 is that it is sometimes called, or referred to as. the Bibles Hall of Fame. And for all the examples of faith of so many of the Key elders, patriarchs, etc, there is no mention of Jesus Christ as a major example of one with faith. For me that says it all. Faith OF Christ is an oxymoron.
amigo de christo
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How so . you gonna tell me that those who believe not shall be fine .
I DIDNT THINK SO .
THE message of the early church sure was heavy on the YE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM PART .
something this generation now avoids at all costs and rather preaches a fat satanic version of what IT thinks is love
and yet its love of unbelief will DAMN THEM ALL . I REALLY DONT SEE LOVE IN THAT .
but if you find it hard tobeleive .
then visualize this . Me , a man of fifty two years
who knows better than a three year old does .
THE THREE YEAR old walks out onto thin ice
and rather than correcting it , rather than telling the child truth
I JUST LETS THEM BELEIVE ITS OKAY . I CANT SEE THE LOVE IN THAT .
AND I SURE AS HELL cannot see the love in those who try and allow UNBELIEF on all satans religoins
muslim , hindu , any all who beleive not , TO ALLOW TO REMAIN IN A LIE that will surely cause their DAMNATION .
I SURE DONT SEE THE LOVE IN THAT .
amigo de christo
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Huh ? what in the world you talking about ? What is interfaith ?
