The Eschatology of Israel

[Netchaplain]

It sounds crazy to teach what is in this post, but it’s just what I believe personally, after two and a half decades of Biblical research. Many attempt to relate Jer 31:31-33; Eze 36:25-27 to Jews who convert to Christianity, but it's actually a new covenant for Israel which will still involve "law" (Jer 31:33), "statutes and judgments" (Eze 36:27), and "ordinances" (Eze 11:20). Besides, the Christians final and New Covenant is the "Covenant of Redemption" which is not a covenant between God and man, like Israel's coming New Covenant, but is between the Father and the Son; with the Father raising Him to save believers. Many Jews truly love God and He them!

It is my belief that there will be two groups of people who shall be saved: those who believe in the Lord Jesus, and the Jews who do not believe in the Lord Jesus, but believe in God (Jn 14:1 – “Ye believe in God” KJV). Those believing in Christ will inherit the New Heaven; those believing in God only, inherit the New Earth, the final “promise” of inheriting the “land.” Scripture always speaks of the Jews inheriting the “Land” (New Earth). Jews who desire to inherit the New Heaven must believe in the Lord Jesus or they cannot enter here.

I do not think it easy, especially of being sure, that God would abandon His “people” after four millennia of Him working with them, repetitiously bringing them back to Himself after continuous straying. I say “straying” because this type of disobedience doesn’t detract their belief in Him, and there is much ignorance in their disobedience, and is why God will never fail to restore them to fellowship. Presently Israel is out of fellowship with God for not believing in His Son, but will never be out of union with Him. Their belief in God gains them union with Him; their obedience to God gains them also fellowship with Him!

It’s my belief that God will not abandon Israel after four millennia now of dealing with restoring them back to Himself after straying; not in unbelief, but disobedience. The Jews who will be in unbelief will perish (Rom 11:20; Heb 3:19; 4:6), along with the non-Christian Gentiles.

He will finally restore Israel’s fellowship to Himself, this time “causing” them to be obedient (Eze 36:27); same as the born again saint being caused to “please” God (Phil 2:13). Presently, Israel is not in fellowship with God for disbelieving in His Son, but will finally restore them to fellowship after seeing the Lord Jesus at the rapture. But those who do not believe in Christ before they see Him will miss the “blessing” (Jn 20:29) of inheriting the New Heaven; but God’s plan is that His people Israel will inherit the New Earth, and the Christians inherit the New Heaven—ruling with the Lord Jesus over the New Earth.

Most will not understand these teachings because they will never be taught as common doctrine. It’s also my belief that God is so protective of Israel—His “people,” to the point that most of the teachings of Israel’s eschatology requires much Scriptural-inference to determine their understanding.
NC

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It sounds crazy to teach what is in this post, but it’s just what I believe personally, after two and a half decades of Biblical research. Many attempt to relate Jer 31:31-33; Eze 36:25-27 to Jews who convert to Christianity, but it's actually a new covenant for Israel which will still involve "law" (Jer 31:33), "statutes and judgments" (Eze 36:27), and "ordinances" (Eze 11:20). Besides, the Christians final and New Covenant is the "Covenant of Redemption" which is not a covenant between God and man, like Israel's coming New Covenant, but is between the Father and the Son; with the Father raising Him to save believers. Many Jews truly love God and He them!

It is my belief that there will be two groups of people who shall be saved: those who believe in the Lord Jesus, and the Jews who do not believe in the Lord Jesus, but believe in God (Jn 14:1 – “Ye believe in God” KJV). Those believing in Christ will inherit the New Heaven; those believing in God only, inherit the New Earth, the final “promise” of inheriting the “land.” Scripture always speaks of the Jews inheriting the “Land” (New Earth). Jews who desire to inherit the New Heaven must believe in the Lord Jesus or they cannot enter here.

I do not think it easy, especially of being sure, that God would abandon His “people” after four millennia of Him working with them, repetitiously bringing them back to Himself after continuous straying. I say “straying” because this type of disobedience doesn’t detract their belief in Him, and there is much ignorance in their disobedience, and is why God will never fail to restore them to fellowship. Presently Israel is out of fellowship with God for not believing in His Son, but will never be out of union with Him. Their belief in God gains them union with Him; their obedience to God gains them also fellowship with Him!

It’s my belief that God will not abandon Israel after four millennia now of dealing with restoring them back to Himself after straying; not in unbelief, but disobedience. The Jews who will be in unbelief will perish (Rom 11:20; Heb 3:19; 4:6), along with the non-Christian Gentiles.

He will finally restore Israel’s fellowship to Himself, this time “causing” them to be obedient (Eze 36:27); same as the born again saint being caused to “please” God (Phil 2:13). Presently, Israel is not in fellowship with God for disbelieving in His Son, but will finally restore them to fellowship after seeing the Lord Jesus at the rapture. But those who do not believe in Christ before they see Him will miss the “blessing” (Jn 20:29) of inheriting the New Heaven; but God’s plan is that His people Israel will inherit the New Earth, and the Christians inherit the New Heaven—ruling with the Lord Jesus over the New Earth.

Most will not understand these teachings because they will never be taught as common doctrine. It’s also my belief that God is so protective of Israel—His “people,” to the point that most of the teachings of Israel’s eschatology requires much Scriptural-inference to determine their understanding.
NC

You forget that Israel will rule the earth during the Millennial kingdom. They are saved Jews from the tribulation. Saved trib Gentiles will repopulate the earth.

But after the Millennial- Heaven descends to the new earth and all who dwell on the new earth will be able to come in and out of the new Jerusalem.

But make no mistake- since Pentecost if one is to be saved- they must trust in the death and physical resurrection of Jesus for their sin!

Remember what Jame3s said about simple faith in God:

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

 

[Netchaplain]

You forget that Israel will rule the earth during the Millennial kingdom.

It's my understanding that the Lord Jesus and His saints (Christians) will rule the earth and Israel from heaven (Mat 19:28), which is where they will be.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It's my understanding that the Lord Jesus and His saints (Christians) will rule the earth and Israel from heaven (Mat 19:28), which is where they will be.

Yes teh church is Jesus bride and thus Queen consort. but Israel will be the rulers on earth.

Jesus will be king, but David and Israelites will be princes on earth during the Millennial.

 

[Davy]

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It’s my belief that God will not abandon Israel after four millennia now of dealing with restoring them back to Himself after straying; not in unbelief, but disobedience. The Jews who will be in unbelief will perish (Rom 11:20; Heb 3:19; 4:6), along with the non-Christian Gentiles.

He will finally restore Israel’s fellowship to Himself, this time “causing” them to be obedient (Eze 36:27); same as the born again saint being caused to “please” God (Phil 2:13). Presently, Israel is not in fellowship with God for disbelieving in His Son, but will finally restore them to fellowship after seeing the Lord Jesus at the rapture. But those who do not believe in Christ before they see Him will miss the “blessing” (Jn 20:29) of inheriting the New Heaven; but God’s plan is that His people Israel will inherit the New Earth, and the Christians inherit the New Heaven—ruling with the Lord Jesus over the New Earth.

Most will not understand these teachings because they will never be taught as common doctrine. It’s also my belief that God is so protective of Israel—His “people,” to the point that most of the teachings of Israel’s eschatology requires much Scriptural-inference to determine their understanding.
NC

Your belief is supported by God's Word, specifically in the New Testament Book of Romans 11 by Apostle Paul, and specifically by the Old Testament Books of God's prophets where many of those prophecies about God forgiving the sins of the children of Israel won't come to pass until Jesus returns in the future.

But for today, there is more about that which those in Christ are to also know.

1. not all that call... theirselves Jews are actually of the bloodline of the children of Israel. Jesus revealed this in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9. The foreigners of the nations of Canaan, and of Edom (of Esau) that are secret enemies of Christ crept in among Judah early on. Judges 2 & 3 reveals the Canaanites creeping in among the children of Israel. The scribes of Israel were of the Kenites of the land of Canaan. The last verse of Zechariah 14 reveals in that future time after Christ has returned, there will no more be the Canaanite in the House of God. This is why the scribes and certain ones of the Pharisees followed Lord Jesus around tempting Him, trying to find somewhat to have Him crucified. That was a select group among the Pharisees though, hidden tares.

2. the Jews of the seed that love God but were blinded so as to reject Jesus, will repent and covert to Jesus at His return, and they will bear their shame throughout Christ's Millennium reign, as shown in Ezekiel 44. Likewise, those of the Gentiles that rejected Jesus will have their spiritual blindness removed then also.

3. the majority of the tribes of Israel were not Biblically called 'Jews'. The title of Jew originated from those of the southern "kingdom of Judah" that went captive to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon. The ten northern tribes of the "kingdom of Israel" had already been removed from the holy land about 120 years prior to Nebuchadnezzar taking the "house of Judah" (Jews) captive to Babylon. The ten northern tribes of Israel went captive by the Assyrians, and became lost, losing their heritage as the larger part of Israelites.

4. The Revelation 7 list of 144,000 Israelites are from the ten lost tribes, and from Jews that converted to Jesus Christ. The "great multitude" represents Gentile believers on Jesus Christ. All of those in Rev.7 represent Christ's Church today.

5. the ten lost tribes, under Ephraim as the head, were to make up "a multitude of nations" (Genesis 48). That came to pass in the Christian West.

 

[Netchaplain]

Yes teh church is Jesus bride and thus Queen consort. but Israel will be the rulers on earth.

Jesus will be king, but David and Israelites will be princes on earth during the Millennial.

"The Son of Man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel" (Mat 19:28; Luk 22:30). I believe that "judging the 12 tribes" will be in the sense of teaching Israel, receiving teachings to the Christians from Christ, and relaying this to Israel. It will probably involve this manner for eternity concerning new things God has for the Christian.

 

[Netchaplain]

Your belief is supported by God's Word, specifically in the New Testament Book of Romans 11 by Apostle Paul, and specifically by the Old Testament Books of God's prophets where many of those prophecies about God forgiving the sins of the children of Israel won't come to pass until Jesus returns in the future.

Hi, and appreciate your reply, God bless!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Son of Man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel" (Mat 19:28; Luk 22:30). I believe that "judging the 12 tribes" will be in the sense of teaching Israel, receiving teachings to the Christians from Christ, and relaying this to Israel. It will probably involve this manner for eternity concerning new things God has for the Christian.

Well teh word judge is krino and itmeans deciding casews. In the Millennial kingdom- People will repopulate the earth (the saved survivors of the tribulation) and though greatly reduced there still will be sin.

that is why it says jesus will rule with a rod of iron.

 

[Christian Soldier]

It sounds crazy to teach what is in this post, but it’s just what I believe personally, after two and a half decades of Biblical research. Many attempt to relate Jer 31:31-33; Eze 36:25-27 to Jews who convert to Christianity, but it's actually a new covenant for Israel which will still involve "law" (Jer 31:33), "statutes and judgments" (Eze 36:27), and "ordinances" (Eze 11:20). Besides, the Christians final and New Covenant is the "Covenant of Redemption" which is not a covenant between God and man, like Israel's coming New Covenant, but is between the Father and the Son; with the Father raising Him to save believers. Many Jews truly love God and He them!

It is my belief that there will be two groups of people who shall be saved: those who believe in the Lord Jesus, and the Jews who do not believe in the Lord Jesus, but believe in God (Jn 14:1 – “Ye believe in God” KJV). Those believing in Christ will inherit the New Heaven; those believing in God only, inherit the New Earth, the final “promise” of inheriting the “land.” Scripture always speaks of the Jews inheriting the “Land” (New Earth). Jews who desire to inherit the New Heaven must believe in the Lord Jesus or they cannot enter here.

I do not think it easy, especially of being sure, that God would abandon His “people” after four millennia of Him working with them, repetitiously bringing them back to Himself after continuous straying. I say “straying” because this type of disobedience doesn’t detract their belief in Him, and there is much ignorance in their disobedience, and is why God will never fail to restore them to fellowship. Presently Israel is out of fellowship with God for not believing in His Son, but will never be out of union with Him. Their belief in God gains them union with Him; their obedience to God gains them also fellowship with Him!

It’s my belief that God will not abandon Israel after four millennia now of dealing with restoring them back to Himself after straying; not in unbelief, but disobedience. The Jews who will be in unbelief will perish (Rom 11:20; Heb 3:19; 4:6), along with the non-Christian Gentiles.

He will finally restore Israel’s fellowship to Himself, this time “causing” them to be obedient (Eze 36:27); same as the born again saint being caused to “please” God (Phil 2:13). Presently, Israel is not in fellowship with God for disbelieving in His Son, but will finally restore them to fellowship after seeing the Lord Jesus at the rapture. But those who do not believe in Christ before they see Him will miss the “blessing” (Jn 20:29) of inheriting the New Heaven; but God’s plan is that His people Israel will inherit the New Earth, and the Christians inherit the New Heaven—ruling with the Lord Jesus over the New Earth.

Most will not understand these teachings because they will never be taught as common doctrine. It’s also my belief that God is so protective of Israel—His “people,” to the point that most of the teachings of Israel’s eschatology requires much Scriptural-inference to determine their understanding.
NC

There are only two covenants in the Bible. There is the covenant of "law" which Adam was under, and the covenant of "grace" which everyone after Adam is under.
There are no other covenants in the Bible. The Jews and Gentiles have always been under the covenant of "grace".

There was never any other way to salvation apart from Christ. The Jews and Gentiles are saved in the exact same way, (by grace). The only one who was under the "Law" was Adam. All of the old testament people, who were saved were saved by placing their faith in Jesus, just as all the saved people do today. There is no other covenant, everyone is under the exact same one for the past 6000 years.

There are only two kinds of people in the world, we have the children of God and the children of the Devil. The children of God are all in the body of Christ (the Israel of God). The body of Christ is the Israel of God (the Church), it consists of all the saved people since Adam and up until today and all those who are yet to be born.
There is only one Body of Christ (the Israel of God), we are all One, there are no Jews or Gentiles in the Body of Christ. We are all the same.

Most Christians don't believe what God says, they make up their own theology to suit themselves. That's why we have 45,000 Christian Denominations, they all oppose each other while claiming to be the only ones who poses the truth.

Gods Children are reigning with Christ right now, we are in the millennium period right now. The millennium began when Jesus bound Satan in chains 2000 years ago, so Satan can do nothing to stop Christ from building His Church. So Christ has been building His Church for the past 2000 years and we already have the victory over Satan.

The millennium doesn't mean a literal 1000 years in the book of revelation. It's only describing a long period of time metaphorically.

 

[Netchaplain]

The Jews and Gentiles have always been under the covenant of "grace".

Hi, and I appreciate your replay! Just being scripturally articulate, and not challenging your opinions, there's no need for a covenant of grace, nor is the phrase in Scripture; but everything God does is out of grace and mercy. The scriptural phrase for this is The New Covenant, which as you know is in Christ's Blood.

There was never any other way to salvation apart from Christ. The Jews and Gentiles are saved in the exact same way

This is all true, but there is a third group of people being saved, but will never be reborn---Israel. Most believers are not aware of this but it will involve the Jews who believe in God ("Ye believe in God" Jn 14:1 - KJV). There has always been a "people of God" (Jdg 20:2; 2Sa 14:13; Heb 4:9; Heb 11:25) and there always be a people of God, which are the Jews who believe in God but not in Christ. God will restore them to Himself for the last time during the Millennium; I say for the last time, because then God will "cause" them to live according to His will for them (Eze 36:27).

Gods Children are reigning with Christ right now, we are in the millennium period right now. The millennium began when Jesus bound Satan in chains 2000 years ago

I believe Satan is still "walking about" and free to do his worst (1Pe 5:8); and that the only way for him to be "bound" is to have the literal presence of Christ in the world, which will come latter.

The millennium doesn't mean a literal 1000 years in the book of revelation. It's only describing a long period of timeg metaphorically.

It's my understanding that if the Millennium won't be literally physical, there will be no literal and physical reign of Christ over the earth. The Millennium cannot take place without the physical presence of the Lord Jesus.

God guide you Friend!

 

[Davy]

Well teh word judge is krino and itmeans deciding casews. In the Millennial kingdom- People will repopulate the earth (the saved survivors of the tribulation) and though greatly reduced there still will be sin.

that is why it says jesus will rule with a rod of iron.

Nah... when this present 2nd world earth age ends on the "day of the Lord" with Jesus' 2nd coming, that will also end man's time with a flesh body. Apostle Paul showed in 1 Cor.15 that the type body of the resurrection is a "spiritual body". So HOW are we still going to have sex and children in the future Millennium? Jesus showed that those of the resurrection don't marry, nor take in marriage, but are as the angels of God in Heaven (Matthew 22:30).

Jesus said His Matt.22:30 answer to Jews that lack understanding about the resurrection, and were trying to tempt Him. But don't you be in confusion about this brethren, just because a lot of Jews today still don't understand about that body of the future world to come.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Hi, and I appreciate your replay! Just being scripturally articulate, and not challenging your opinions, there's no need for a covenant of grace, nor is the phrase in Scripture; but everything God does is out of grace and mercy. The scriptural phrase for this is The New Covenant, which as you know is in Christ's Blood.

This is all true, but there is a third group of people being saved, but will never be reborn---Israel. Most believers are not aware of this but it will involve the Jews who believe in God ("Ye believe in God" Jn 14:1 - KJV). There has always been a "people of God" (Jdg 20:2; 2Sa 14:13; Heb 4:9; Heb 11:25) and there always be a people of God, which are the Jews who believe in God but not in Christ. God will restore them to Himself for the last time during the Millennium; I say for the last time, because then God will "cause" them to live according to His will for them (Eze 36:27).


I believe Satan is still "walking about" and free to do his worst (1Pe 5:8); and that the only way for him to be "bound" is to have the literal presence of Christ in the world, which will come latter.

It's my understanding that if the Millennium won't be literally physical, there will be no literal and physical reign of Christ over the earth. The Millennium cannot take place without the physical presence of the Lord Jesus.

God guide you Friend!

God did call Israel to be a holy priesthood and a light to the nations,
Exodus 19:5-6
Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth.

But they fell into idolatry, which left them spiritually and morally bankrupt. Then in BC 722 God drove them out of their land, so Israel failed to be what God called them to be. So the first Israel failed. But God provided a new Israel in Jesus Christ.

Matthew tells us that Jesus fulfills Hosea 11 (Matt. 2:13–15). He is the true Israel, the faithful Israel who succeeds where old covenant Israel failed. Like ancient Israel, He came up out of Egypt, passed through the waters, and was tested in the wilderness (2:13–15; 3:13–4:11; see Ex. 12:40–42; 14:1–31; 16:4). Unlike old covenant Israel, however, Jesus passed the test. He is therefore worthy to be called God’s Son because of who He is in His deity and because of what He accomplished in His humanity.

Ultimately, the Israel of God is not an ethnic designation but a spiritual one. God’s covenant people includes all those who put their faith in the true fulfillment of Israel, Jesus our Lord. Together, Jews and Gentiles united to Christ have a common and exalted end. God’s people are one Israel in the Savior.

Satan is powerless to stop the gospel from going out and reaching all of Gods elect. Christ has been building His Church, for the past 2000 years, right here on earth and Satan has not been able to hinder Him in any way because He is bound in chains.

Satan is roaming around as a Spirit, seeking to devour anyone He can by deception to get them away from the truth of the gospel. That's all He can do is roam around seeking but the fact is He has failed to devour a single one of Gods elect. God's Word tells us that it's impossible to deceive His elect, so our salvation can never be lost.

Our battle is not against flesh and blood, so this battle you speak f is a spiritual battle and Christ is present n us by His Holy Spirit.
The final battle will take place at Christs return, when He comes back as a vengeful man of war to kill billions of people off the face of the earth with His legion of Angels. The blood of the people will be around 5 feet high, so were talking about the greatest slaughter of people in the history of mankind.

So the Lord and His people are reigning on the earth right now, but He is returning to take the kingdoms off the Kings of the world by force. so then He will reign spiritually and physically upon the earth forever, not just for a 1000 years

 

[Netchaplain]

God did call Israel to be a holy priesthood and a light to the nations,

It's my understanding that this is in reference to Christians (1Pe 2:5); Israel has a priesthood, but Christians are a priesthood. Thanks!

 

[Christian Soldier]

It's my understanding that this is in reference to Christians (1Pe 2:5); Israel has a priesthood, but Christians are a priesthood. Thanks!

God never intended the descendants of Levi to be the only priestly figures in the nation of Israel. In fact, the Lord originally called His people out of bondage in Egypt so that the entire nation would serve Him as “a kingdom of priests and a holy nation”.

Exodus 19:5-6, Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine.
6 And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.”

The priestly institution itself was needed only because the sin of the people had not yet been finally dealt with, and an intermediary was required between Israel and God lest His holiness break out and destroy His sinful people

Amos 5:6 Seek the Lord and live, Lest He break out like fire in the house of Joseph, And devour it, With no one to quench it in Bethel
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Only when the wickedness of Israel had finally been dealt with could the people of God truly become that nation of priests that requires no Levitical mediator between them and the Almighty. Having sanctified and perfected us in His Father’s sight forevermore through His offering of Himself

Heb 10:10-14 10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

 

[Davy]

God did call Israel to be a holy priesthood and a light to the nations,
Exodus 19:5-6
Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth.

But they fell into idolatry, which left them spiritually and morally bankrupt. Then in BC 722 God drove them out of their land, so Israel failed to be what God called them to be. So the first Israel failed. But God provided a new Israel in Jesus Christ.

Matthew tells us that Jesus fulfills Hosea 11 (Matt. 2:13–15). He is the true Israel, the faithful Israel who succeeds where old covenant Israel failed. Like ancient Israel, He came up out of Egypt, passed through the waters, and was tested in the wilderness (2:13–15; 3:13–4:11; see Ex. 12:40–42; 14:1–31; 16:4). Unlike old covenant Israel, however, Jesus passed the test. He is therefore worthy to be called God’s Son because of who He is in His deity and because of what He accomplished in His humanity.

Ultimately, the Israel of God is not an ethnic designation but a spiritual one. God’s covenant people includes all those who put their faith in the true fulfillment of Israel, Jesus our Lord. Together, Jews and Gentiles united to Christ have a common and exalted end. God’s people are one Israel in the Savior.

Satan is powerless to stop the gospel from going out and reaching all of Gods elect. Christ has been building His Church, for the past 2000 years, right here on earth and Satan has not been able to hinder Him in any way because He is bound in chains.

Satan is roaming around as a Spirit, seeking to devour anyone He can by deception to get them away from the truth of the gospel. That's all He can do is roam around seeking but the fact is He has failed to devour a single one of Gods elect. God's Word tells us that it's impossible to deceive His elect, so our salvation can never be lost.

Our battle is not against flesh and blood, so this battle you speak f is a spiritual battle and Christ is present n us by His Holy Spirit.
The final battle will take place at Christs return, when He comes back as a vengeful man of war to kill billions of people off the face of the earth with His legion of Angels. The blood of the people will be around 5 feet high, so were talking about the greatest slaughter of people in the history of mankind.

So the Lord and His people are reigning on the earth right now, but He is returning to take the kingdoms off the Kings of the world by force. so then He will reign spiritually and physically upon the earth forever, not just for a 1000 years

That's actually going too far... with the 'spiritual Israel' idea. It's no wonder that some began calling it Replacement Theology.

The Book of Hosea was specifically written by God through His prophet Hosea to the ten northern tribes of Israel, the "kingdom of Israel" after... God had split the old nation of Israel per 1 Kings 11 forward. Apostle Paul in Romans 9 quoted from Hosea to Roman Gentile believers, which reveals that the scattered ten tribes were dwelling among the Gentiles in Europe. To think that Paul or the other Apostles were completely blind about God's scattering to the ten northern tribes of the "house of Israel" is just Biblical ignorance.


Here is a SUMMARY of what happened that identifies probably the majority of Christ's Church in early Asia Minor and Europe as lost ten tribe Israelites of the 'seed' of Israel...

1. God split old Israel into TWO separate kingdoms, because of Solomon having allowed his many pagan wives to bring their idols in among the children of Israel. This prophecy of this split begins in 1 Kings 11.

2. God gave TEN TRIBES to Jeroboam of the TRIBE OF EPHRAIM. These were the NORTHERN TEN TRIBES of Israel, the majority of the seed of Israel. These were called the "house of Israel" or "kingdom of Israel", and sometimes as just "Ephraim" or "Samaria" (where their capitol city was located in the north).

3. The southern kingdom was made up of 3 tribes of Israel, the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and eventually the tribe of Levi. These were the southern "kingdom of Judah". The house of David remained with Judah at Jerusalem, under Solomon's son Rehoboam king of Judah. These were also called the "house of Judah", or just "Judah", or "Jerusalem" later in Bible prophecy.

4. Both kingdoms had war against each other all the days of Jeroboam and Rehoboam.

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[Davy]

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5. That God would setup Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim followed His prophecy which Jacob gave to the two sons of Joseph per Genesis 48. God had mentioned the prophecy to Jacob first in Genesis 35 that Jacob's seed would become "a nation, and a company of nations". In Genesis 48, Jacob transferred that blessing from God to Joseph's two sons, and said that Ephraim's seed would become "a multitude of nations".

This was fulfilled under Ephraim when God gave Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim to be king of Israel over the ten northern tribes, and then... God would scatter them out of the holy land because of their falling away from Him, yet God would use them later in The Gospel once they were scattered among the Gentiles.

5. Then after all the ten northern tribes had been removed by the kings of Assyria, pagan foreigners from Babylon were put in the holy lands where the ten tribes had been. These foreigners became known as the Samaritans. The only ones of the seed of Israel left in the land were the 3-tribe "kingdom of Judah" in the southern lands. These began to call themselves by the title of Jew, including the strangers that dwelt among them in Judea.

6. The Book of Hosea is especially about God's scattering of the ten northern tribes, thus ending the "house of Israel" kingdom in the northern holy land. God showed that He would let them have the full weight of their Baal lovers which they rejected Him for, and would scatter them in the 'wilderness' and they would lose their heritage as part of old Israel. They would forget His feast days, new moons, sabbaths, etc., and God said He hedged up their paths so they couldn't find their way back. In contrast in Hosea, God showed at that specific time when God was getting ready to end the northern ten tribe kingdom of Israel, He showed that the house of Judah was still faithful.

7. In final per the Book of Hosea, God had said to the ten tribes that they were 'lo ami', meaning 'not My people'. He had rejected the ten tribes and scattered them out of His sight (see 2 Kings 17). But He also said the day would come when those who were called 'not My people', would be called the 'sons of the living God'. And this is what Apostle Paul quoted from Hosea to Roman Gentile believers per Romans 9. That pointed to the ten tribes being scattered among the Gentile Romans in Europe.

8. Before the majority of Jews at Jerusalem rejected Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, i.e., The Gospel, the ten tribes scattered to Asia Minor and Europe were following various versions of Baal worship. Each country in Europe had their own names of false Gods they worshiped. But when Jerusalem rejected Christ, The Gospel then went to those western nations in Asia Minor and Europe, and thus fulfilled the Genesis 48 prophecy, literally, that Jacob's and Ephraim's seed would become "a multitude of nations."

9. After God had removed all the ten northern tribes out of the holy land by the kings of Assyria, the house of Judah also began falling away. Then about 120 years after... the ten tribes had been gone, Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, destroyed Jerusalem and the temple and took the house of Judah captive to Babylon. God had told them through His prophet Jeremiah that they would go in captivity for 70 years. Thus there were TWO major captivities of the children of Israel from the holy lands. The 1st one was to the northern ten tribes only by the kings of Assyria (in stages). And the 2nd one was only to the southern 3-tribe kingdom of Judah by the king of Babylon.

10. To this present day, the ten scattered tribes have not returned to the holy lands. Those that have returned are mostly Jews of the old southern kingdom of Judah, and foreigners that converted to Judaism long ago and became religious Jews.

11. Some will claim that the ten tribes have returned to the holy land already, but that goes against what God showed Ezekiel in Ezekiel 37 about the putting together of the two sticks representing the two houses, which is to only happen with Christ's future return. They see Scripture like in Luke 2 about the prophetess Anna of the northern tribe of Asher and think that means the ten tribes had returned. No, because per 2 Chronicles 11, small remnants of the northern ten tribes which refused Jeroboam's gold calf idol worship in the north instead moved south and joined with Judah. Jeroboam fired the Levites in the north from doing their priestly duties in the north, so they left too and joined with Judah.

12. After the Babylon captivity of the house of Judah had ended, only a small remnant of Jews returned to Jerusalem to rebuild the city and temple. The majority of the Jews chose to remain in Babylon, because God had promised to take care of them there while in captivity, and He did. They built houses and planted vineyards, so most of them remained there. Then many of them were scattered through the countries like the ten tribes were. Some of these accepted The Gospel of Jesus Christ with the ten tribes scattered to the West.

13. Thus God's Blessings, which are part of His Birthright to the seed of Israel, eventually landed upon Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh. And that is where it stopped per God's Word (1 Chronicles 5). That means that is where God's Birthright to Israel is still... supposed to be today even. Not with the unbelieving Jews in today's nation state of Israel, but instead with the 'seed' of Israel scattered among the Gentiles which both together are in The Gospel of Jesus Christ. The majority of Jews today still reject The Gospel. And this why God's Birthright Blessings of plenty of corn and wine, the richest lands and resources, the strongest military, and a seed as many as the sands of the sea and stars of the sky, and with a king line upon thrones from the house of David (the "king's daughters" that escaped with Jeremiah the prophet to Egypt, which daughters were the only survivors of the seed of Zedekiah, king of Judah), all of that literally exists in the Christian West today, and not in the middle east.

 

[Christian Soldier]

(Continued...)

5. That God would setup Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim followed His prophecy which Jacob gave to the two sons of Joseph per Genesis 48. God had mentioned the prophecy to Jacob first in Genesis 35 that Jacob's seed would become "a nation, and a company of nations". In Genesis 48, Jacob transferred that blessing from God to Joseph's two sons, and said that Ephraim's seed would become "a multitude of nations".

This was fulfilled under Ephraim when God gave Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim to be king of Israel over the ten northern tribes, and then... God would scatter them out of the holy land because of their falling away from Him, yet God would use them later in The Gospel once they were scattered among the Gentiles.

5. Then after all the ten northern tribes had been removed by the kings of Assyria, pagan foreigners from Babylon were put in the holy lands where the ten tribes had been. These foreigners became known as the Samaritans. The only ones of the seed of Israel left in the land were the 3-tribe "kingdom of Judah" in the southern lands. These began to call themselves by the title of Jew, including the strangers that dwelt among them in Judea.

6. The Book of Hosea is especially about God's scattering of the ten northern tribes, thus ending the "house of Israel" kingdom in the northern holy land. God showed that He would let them have the full weight of their Baal lovers which they rejected Him for, and would scatter them in the 'wilderness' and they would lose their heritage as part of old Israel. They would forget His feast days, new moons, sabbaths, etc., and God said He hedged up their paths so they couldn't find their way back. In contrast in Hosea, God showed at that specific time when God was getting ready to end the northern ten tribe kingdom of Israel, He showed that the house of Judah was still faithful.

7. In final per the Book of Hosea, God had said to the ten tribes that they were 'lo ami', meaning 'not My people'. He had rejected the ten tribes and scattered them out of His sight (see 2 Kings 17). But He also said the day would come when those who were called 'not My people', would be called the 'sons of the living God'. And this is what Apostle Paul quoted from Hosea to Roman Gentile believers per Romans 9. That pointed to the ten tribes being scattered among the Gentile Romans in Europe.

8. Before the majority of Jews at Jerusalem rejected Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, i.e., The Gospel, the ten tribes scattered to Asia Minor and Europe were following various versions of Baal worship. Each country in Europe had their own names of false Gods they worshiped. But when Jerusalem rejected Christ, The Gospel then went to those western nations in Asia Minor and Europe, and thus fulfilled the Genesis 48 prophecy, literally, that Jacob's and Ephraim's seed would become "a multitude of nations."

9. After God had removed all the ten northern tribes out of the holy land by the kings of Assyria, the house of Judah also began falling away. Then about 120 years after... the ten tribes had been gone, Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, destroyed Jerusalem and the temple and took the house of Judah captive to Babylon. God had told them through His prophet Jeremiah that they would go in captivity for 70 years. Thus there were TWO major captivities of the children of Israel from the holy lands. The 1st one was to the northern ten tribes only by the kings of Assyria (in stages). And the 2nd one was only to the southern 3-tribe kingdom of Judah by the king of Babylon.

10. To this present day, the ten scattered tribes have not returned to the holy lands. Those that have returned are mostly Jews of the old southern kingdom of Judah, and foreigners that converted to Judaism long ago and became religious Jews.

11. Some will claim that the ten tribes have returned to the holy land already, but that goes against what God showed Ezekiel in Ezekiel 37 about the putting together of the two sticks representing the two houses, which is to only happen with Christ's future return. They see Scripture like in Luke 2 about the prophetess Anna of the northern tribe of Asher and think that means the ten tribes had returned. No, because per 2 Chronicles 11, small remnants of the northern ten tribes which refused Jeroboam's gold calf idol worship in the north instead moved south and joined with Judah. Jeroboam fired the Levites in the north from doing their priestly duties in the north, so they left too and joined with Judah.

12. After the Babylon captivity of the house of Judah had ended, only a small remnant of Jews returned to Jerusalem to rebuild the city and temple. The majority of the Jews chose to remain in Babylon, because God had promised to take care of them there while in captivity, and He did. They built houses and planted vineyards, so most of them remained there. Then many of them were scattered through the countries like the ten tribes were. Some of these accepted The Gospel of Jesus Christ with the ten tribes scattered to the West.

13. Thus God's Blessings, which are part of His Birthright to the seed of Israel, eventually landed upon Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh. And that is where it stopped per God's Word (1 Chronicles 5). That means that is where God's Birthright to Israel is still... supposed to be today even. Not with the unbelieving Jews in today's nation state of Israel, but instead with the 'seed' of Israel scattered among the Gentiles which both together are in The Gospel of Jesus Christ. The majority of Jews today still reject The Gospel. And this why God's Birthright Blessings of plenty of corn and wine, the richest lands and resources, the strongest military, and a seed as many as the sands of the sea and stars of the sky, and with a king line upon thrones from the house of David (the "king's daughters" that escaped with Jeremiah the prophet to Egypt, which daughters were the only survivors of the seed of Zedekiah, king of Judah), all of that literally exists in the Christian West today, and not in the middle east.

I don't know who told you all of this, but I can tell you that none of it is true.

The truth is, Gods Word says there is no Jews or Gentiles or men or women or children in the Israel of God/the Church/ the Body of Christ. We have Chinese, Indians, Red Skins, Aboriginals, Eskom's, Arabs, Ethiopians, Sub Saharan Africans, Russians, Mexicans, Irish, Pigmies and every other known and unknown ethnic group, within the Body of Christ (the Israel of God)

You sound like a racist, you need to understand that people are saved by "GRACE" and not "RACE"......

God is not a racist, everyone is born equal in His economy. I can't believe anyone could be so blind as to miss this truth about God. The Bible makes it clear that national Israel, failed to remain faithful. They went whoring after pagan gods and they lost their birthright. Now they're at the bottom of the pecking order.

The Israelis always killed God prophets, so God sent His Son and they killed Him too and your trying say they still have some special privilege with God. Well I hate to be the barer of bad news, but the awful truth is the opposite to what you claim it is.

 

[Netchaplain]

God never intended the descendants of Levi to be the only priestly figures in the nation of Israel. In fact, the Lord originally called His people out of bondage in Egypt so that the entire nation would serve Him as “a kingdom of priests and a holy nation”.

Exodus 19:5-6, Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine.
6 And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.”

Yes, Israel had priests when the Law was in affect, but I'm referring to every believer in Christ being "kings and priests"(Rev 5:10).

 

[Davy]

I don't know who told you all of this, but I can tell you that none of it is true.

It's the written Word of God. Too bad you're not familiar with Old Testament history and prophecy. There's still many prophecies written of in the Old Testament that have yet come to pass. Apparently you don't know that.

The truth is, Gods Word says there is no Jews or Gentiles or men or women or children in the Israel of God/the Church/ the Body of Christ.

Like to just make-up false assumptions for yourself? Apostle Paul gave that comparison of Jew or Gentile in Christ about being a 'member' in Christ's Church. It does NOT mean one stops having been born a Jew or born as a Gentile! Think man!

You sound like a racist, you need to understand that people are saved by "GRACE" and not "RACE"......

I am no racist. You try to bring that false accusation in because you refuse to actually understand The Bible Scripture as written, but instead ADD your own ideas into it. And some of your ideas you've already expressed here show that you make false assumptions about things in general, like throwing out the racist card because you are not able to carry on an educated conversation with knowledge of God's Word.

 

[Christian Soldier]

It's the written Word of God. Too bad you're not familiar with Old Testament history and prophecy. There's still many prophecies written of in the Old Testament that have yet come to pass. Apparently you don't know that.



Like to just make-up false assumptions for yourself? Apostle Paul gave that comparison of Jew or Gentile in Christ about being a 'member' in Christ's Church. It does NOT mean one stops having been born a Jew or born as a Gentile! Think man!



I am no racist. You try to bring that false accusation in because you refuse to actually understand The Bible Scripture as written, but instead ADD your own ideas into it. And some of your ideas you've already expressed here show that you make false assumptions about things in general, like throwing out the racist card because you are not able to carry on an educated conversation with knowledge of God's Word.

It's not the written Word of God, it's only your false interpretation of the Word of God. Gods Word tells me "there is no Jews or Gentiles" but you come alone and accuse God of making up lies and claim that there is Jews and Gentiles in the Church. You can't have it both ways, you can't refer to the Bible while you ignore what it clearly says.

I know what's written in the Old Testament, and I'm well aware of the prophecies in it. But I don't accept your false interpretation of them.

Jesus put an end to Judaism, He preordained the temple to be destroyed and the Jews to be scattered. So Judaism never came back, it still doesn't exist today and it never will exist again because God abolished it and He made sure it never comes back.

It would be hypocritical and blasphemous in the extreme, if a Christian identified as a Jew as well. Judaism is the old sacrificial system, which Christ came to abolish once and for all. There will be no future covenant with the Jews, that idea is a blatant lie. The bible never makes any such claim .
You might convince those who are ignorant of what the Word of God says but you look foolish when you try that on someone who knows the truth.