The Eschatology of Israel

[Reggie Belafonte]

Jews ? The Jews ?

I am a Jew ?

Now 4000 plus or in regards 2000 years a go we have the Jews ? now down the track from what ever time limit we have Jews who have Married other races ?

Now the DNA of them Jews are, where ? Well everywhere ! for such is like the grains of sand on the beach one could say over all that time if numbered ?

So i have a Hebrew sirname = direct decended down the line that way ! but also others are or have that DNA if you want to claime, just the same as me or could be any % but not have the Hebrew sirname !

So i am not a full blood Hebrew in fact but nor is anyone nowadays in fact ! That'a a fact !

So i was talking to a Jew one day a new car sales man and i said my mum's name is the same as his sirname, well he near jumped out of his skin ! and demanded no your not ! we know every one who is of our blood line he said !

Well before this he tryed to diddle me on a Differential LSD that was mandatory option, i said no, if it's mandatory with that engine you can not charge extra because it comes that way regardless ! so it's not an option is it at all, so no i am not paying extra for that at all ?
GM do not do it that way in fact ! so No !

Well i was working for the owner of the car company and he said that he will give me a good deal on a new car, so here is the head salesman !

Well my mums dads dads sirname was X but he changed it, to his mothers sirname after the great depression and that is a Jewish name, the same as old mate the dealer ! but he had that spack attack, so i just got up and left. no point in talking to someone like that and i was not going to have some one of only his station try and talk down to me. when i am way above his station in fact. someone of that rank like that does not talk down to a customer ever ! I just walked out ! I could of gone and pointed this out to the owner of the buisness because we got on real well !

Not to mention that that Jewish name was changed again by my mums dad to another from his mothers side.

So when i look into my mums faimly tree and see all of the womans sides etc and list all of the sirnames, as into how all of the lines goes, past the normal line that one only take heed to ?

Well so can the same with my dads desended line go, but it goes down the direct line of fathers and the wifes Name is their to see ! but one does not take note of all of the wifes lines do they ! but you could ! because you are all related in fact !

So i go up to where my first Australian came to and asked someone in the street where would i find a relation as i was gust passing through and thought at the time and she said, Ho i am related to them and you ! and see that person over their and another over that way they are all our relations in fact.

So the sirnames are all different ! but we are all related in fact, just on my dads side. and that is a lot of people from one man who first came to Australia.

So now lets go back 2000 years ago you all ! and see who is who ? or maybe 4000 years in fact ?

So in fact anyone who makes a claim that the Jews in the State Israel are all 100% Jews somehow as if it's as simple as they peddle ! is not so.

I think it's only in regards to people who are worthy of being in regards the OT Fathfull, to be serious. not based on race. For we know in the OT that all of the race ? Tribe really is the correct word, were not "Worthy of the OT" in fact and we can see that such were kicked out of the Tribe ! so your race does not cut it in the OT so why would such cut it in the NT !

Not to mention anyone who is truly born again Saved ? has to do with the Holy Spirit in fact, as it always did in fact !
That is the Key ! Period !
For if one does not have Grace you are not Saved in fact and Christ Jesus is the only one who gives one Grace in fact.

Where does the Land come into it ? Well if you do not possess Grace the Land is of no value, is it !
That land is not the Key !
But by Grace, what will you will inherit ? Life in abundance ! all things will be added to you ? for you are Blessed ! for you are Israel = the servants of God ! so that is a Blessing in fact ! no one can take such from you ever ! For just as Jesus said to Nathniel, what would he see ?

 

[Christian Soldier]

Jews ? The Jews ?

I am a Jew ?

Now 4000 plus or in regards 2000 years a go we have the Jews ? now down the track from what ever time limit we have Jews who have Married other races ?

Now the DNA of them Jews are, where ? Well everywhere ! for such is like the grains of sand on the beach one could say over all that time if numbered ?

So i have a Hebrew sirname = direct decended down the line that way ! but also others are or have that DNA if you want to claime, just the same as me or could be any % but not have the Hebrew sirname !

So i am not a full blood Hebrew in fact but nor is anyone nowadays in fact ! That'a a fact !

So i was talking to a Jew one day a new car sales man and i said my mum's name is the same as his sirname, well he near jumped out of his skin ! and demanded no your not ! we know every one who is of our blood line he said !

Well before this he tryed to diddle me on a Differential LSD that was mandatory option, i said no, if it's mandatory with that engine you can not charge extra because it comes that way regardless ! so it's not an option is it at all, so no i am not paying extra for that at all ?
GM do not do it that way in fact ! so No !

Well i was working for the owner of the car company and he said that he will give me a good deal on a new car, so here is the head salesman !

Well my mums dads dads sirname was X but he changed it, to his mothers sirname after the great depression and that is a Jewish name, the same as old mate the dealer ! but he had that spack attack, so i just got up and left. no point in talking to someone like that and i was not going to have some one of only his station try and talk down to me. when i am way above his station in fact. someone of that rank like that does not talk down to a customer ever ! I just walked out ! I could of gone and pointed this out to the owner of the buisness because we got on real well !

Not to mention that that Jewish name was changed again by my mums dad to another from his mothers side.

So when i look into my mums faimly tree and see all of the womans sides etc and list all of the sirnames, as into how all of the lines goes, past the normal line that one only take heed to ?

Well so can the same with my dads desended line go, but it goes down the direct line of fathers and the wifes Name is their to see ! but one does not take note of all of the wifes lines do they ! but you could ! because you are all related in fact !

So i go up to where my first Australian came to and asked someone in the street where would i find a relation as i was gust passing through and thought at the time and she said, Ho i am related to them and you ! and see that person over their and another over that way they are all our relations in fact.

So the sirnames are all different ! but we are all related in fact, just on my dads side. and that is a lot of people from one man who first came to Australia.

So now lets go back 2000 years ago you all ! and see who is who ? or maybe 4000 years in fact ?

So in fact anyone who makes a claim that the Jews in the State Israel are all 100% Jews somehow as if it's as simple as they peddle ! is not so.

I think it's only in regards to people who are worthy of being in regards the OT Fathfull, to be serious. not based on race. For we know in the OT that all of the race ? Tribe really is the correct word, were not "Worthy of the OT" in fact and we can see that such were kicked out of the Tribe ! so your race does not cut it in the OT so why would such cut it in the NT !

Not to mention anyone who is truly born again Saved ? has to do with the Holy Spirit in fact, as it always did in fact !
That is the Key ! Period !
For if one does not have Grace you are not Saved in fact and Christ Jesus is the only one who gives one Grace in fact.

Where does the Land come into it ? Well if you do not possess Grace the Land is of no value, is it !
That land is not the Key !
But by Grace, what will you will inherit ? Life in abundance ! all things will be added to you ? for you are Blessed ! for you are Israel = the servants of God ! so that is a Blessing in fact ! no one can take such from you ever ! For just as Jesus said to Nathniel, what would he see ?

There has never been a Jewish nation or State, there was only the tribe of Judah and that's it. Judaism is a religion which goes back to the tribe of Judah. So nobody can point to the state of Israel and claim that it's a Jewish Sate, because there are many different religious groups in the State of Israel.

Judaism doesn't exist today, all we have is those who identify as Jews but they are not practicing Jews because you can't be a practicing Jew without a Temple and a sacrificial system to atone for your ongoing sin. So the so called Jews are holding on to a futile hope that Judaism will be restored and the Temple rebuilt, but until then they are in limbo.

The other big problem for Jews is, that Jesus replaced the Jewish Temple with His own Body. So the old Temple worship was replaced by Christianity. God will make sure that Temple is never rebuilt as it would be an abomination in His sight, so we will never see the Temple or Judaism returned. They are dead forever.

 

[Davy]

It's not the written Word of God, it's only your false interpretation of the Word of God. Gods Word tells me "there is no Jews or Gentiles" but you come alone and accuse God of making up lies and claim that there is Jews and Gentiles in the Church. You can't have it both ways, you can't refer to the Bible while you ignore what it clearly says.

NO, that is YOUR false interpretation of what Apostle Paul said. Paul was pointing to the fact that all... in Christ Jesus are equal members of His Body of believers! That does NOT MEAN ONES BLOODLINE BIRTH AND HERITAGE SUDDENLY DISAPPEARS! That's CRAZY!

Those you are listening to could find their way out of a wet paper bag, and I know what they are, and why... they tell you The Old Testament Books are all dead history when they are not!

Read and heed what GOD said about the SEED of the children of the house of Israel being ESTABLISHED FOREVER...

Jer 31:33-37
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put My law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be My people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD': for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

35 Thus saith the LORD, Which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is His name:

36 If those ordinances depart from before Me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me for ever.

37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
KJV

 

[Davy]

There has never been a Jewish nation or State, there was only the tribe of Judah and that's it. Judaism is a religion which goes back to the tribe of Judah. So nobody can point to the state of Israel and claim that it's a Jewish Sate, because there are many different religious groups in the State of Israel.

Judaism doesn't exist today, all we have is those who identify as Jews but they are not practicing Jews because you can't be a practicing Jew without a Temple and a sacrificial system to atone for your ongoing sin. So the so called Jews are holding on to a futile hope that Judaism will be restored and the Temple rebuilt, but until then they are in limbo.

The other big problem for Jews is, that Jesus replaced the Jewish Temple with His own Body. So the old Temple worship was replaced by Christianity. God will make sure that Temple is never rebuilt as it would be an abomination in His sight, so we will never see the Temple or Judaism returned. They are dead forever.

His whole rhetoric sounds like 'Skinhead' Nazi rhetoric to me.

 

[Davy]

All... those in Christ Jesus need to remember Lord Jesus' promise to His 12 Apostles, which were all Jews of the "house of Judah".

Matt 19:27-28
27 Then answered Peter and said unto Him, "Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed Thee; what shall we have therefore?"

28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
KJV

Are those 12 thrones in Christ's future Kingdom ordained for anyone else other than His 12 Apostles who were all Israelites of the seed of Israel? No. And I dare anyone try to claim God's chosen people no longer exist, for those go directly against God in His Word!

And because of what Jesus showed in the above, it means all... the yet unfulfilled Old Testament prophecies about the future RESTORATION OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL GATHERED BACK TO THE LAND GOD ORIGINALLY PROMISED THEIR FATHERS, WILL... HAPPEN ON THE DAY OF JESUS' FUTURE RETURN.

In Romans 11 Apostle Paul showed CLEARLY for anyone who can read, that God has NOT cast away His people which He foreknew. Paul showed that the majority of Jews were spiritually blinded by God so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles. For us... Gentiles, God did that! And Paul told 'us'... Gentiles to not be 'conceited' that those unbelieving Jews were blinded, because when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in (at Christ's return), then their blindness will be removed, and they will convert to Jesus Christ!

 

[Christian Soldier]

NO, that is YOUR false interpretation of what Apostle Paul said. Paul was pointing to the fact that all... in Christ Jesus are equal members of His Body of believers! That does NOT MEAN ONES BLOODLINE BIRTH AND HERITAGE SUDDENLY DISAPPEARS! That's CRAZY!

Those you are listening to could find their way out of a wet paper bag, and I know what they are, and why... they tell you The Old Testament Books are all dead history when they are not!

Read and heed what GOD said about the SEED of the children of the house of Israel being ESTABLISHED FOREVER...

Jer 31:33-37
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put My law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be My people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD': for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

35 Thus saith the LORD, Which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is His name:

36 If those ordinances depart from before Me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me for ever.

37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
KJV

Thank you for the above verses, each of them confirm that the Israel of God has nothing to do with any ethnic group such as the Hebrew people or the tribe of Judah.

They all confirm that the Body of Christ is the Israel of God. Those under the Old Covenant in the Old Testament times were saved in the exact same way I was. Everyone who was saved under the Old Covenant was saved by putting their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sin.

God made two covenants, one was with Adam, he was under the "covenant of law" and everyone after Adam is under the "covenant of grace". So there's no point in pretending that God made other covenants with some special ethnic group, because it never happened. The Hebrews were under the exact same covenant as us Gentiles.

Why would Jesus call the Jewish Pharisees, "Children of the Devil", are you suggesting that there are Devils in the Body of Christ (Israel of God). So this idea that God gives special privileges to a specific ethnic group is a lie and it makes God a racist. You can't add your false doctrine to what Paul said, when he said "there are no Jews or Gentiles in the Church". Your ethnicity ceases to exist when you are joined to the Church.

Racial pride is sinful, it creates hatred and wars and God hates it, so stop pretending that God is some kind of a racist Dictator, like Hitler.

 

[Davy]

Thank you for the above verses, each of them confirm that the Israel of God has nothing to do with any ethnic group such as the Hebrew people or the tribe of Judah.

Those who tend to stay mostly in The New Testament Books think along that line.

The Israel of God is a "commonwealth", like Apostle Paul said in Ephesians 2 to the Gentile believers at Ephesus.

God is Who originally established the nations with choosing the 'seed' of Israel to be a nation of priests. That originally was meant ONLY for the 'seed' of Israel. But in Christ it is for ALL nations that believe, each nation of believers serving as priests and kings under Christ Jesus for their own peoples; so that still does NOT eliminate the nation or heritage of one's natural birth.

The idea behind God choosing the 'seed' of Israel over all other nations and peoples is for the purpose of 'service' to all... peoples. It does not mean Israel is special because of birth. Being a chosen one is not a STATUS symbol. It means a RESPONSIBILITY, a DUTY unto all peoples to protect and carry The Gospel of Jesus Christ to all nations. This is why Christ chose His Apostles of the 'seed' of Israel first for that duty. Then when the other Jews rejected Christ, He then sent The Gospel to LOST ISRAEL (ten lost tribes of the 'seed' of Israel) AND the Gentiles that lost Israel dwelt amongst. Then both of those TOGETHER, including believing Jews, made up Christ's many-membered body of believers, His Church. And that... is God's TRUE Israel now, and what Apostle Paul meant that in Christ there is no difference between Jew and Gentile.

In Christ's future physical kingdom to be established upon this earth, there will still... be nations of the ethnos (ethnic peoples, Gentiles), and those who were born of the seed of Israel.

 

[Davy]

There has never been a Jewish nation or State, there was only the tribe of Judah and that's it. Judaism is a religion which goes back to the tribe of Judah. So nobody can point to the state of Israel and claim that it's a Jewish Sate, because there are many different religious groups in the State of Israel.
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Once again, your speech reveals you don't really know your Old Testament history. Don't feel bad about that, because many preachers don't know it either, their staying mostly in The New Testament Books.

1. At 1 Kings 11 forward, God split the original kingdom of Israel into TWO separate Kingdoms. The kings of Judah of the house of David along with the tribes of Benjamin and Levi made up the southern "kingdom of Judah" (2 Chronicles 11; 1 Kings 11 thru 2 Kings 17). These 3 tribes, Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and a small remnant of the northern ten tribes that moved to Judea, make up that southern KINGDOM with its capital at Jerusalem. All... of those that lived there, including strangers, became known as JEWS. Per the Jewish historian Josephus, that title of 'Jew' applied ONLY to that southern "kingdom of Judah" at Jerusalem/Judea.

So the "kingdom of Judah" made up of 3 tribes that became known as JEWS definitely did... exist. Then when they began to fall away from God, He brought Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, upon them and took them captive to Babylon for 70 years.

After their captivity to Babylon, ONLY a small remnant of those Jews returned to Jerusalem to rebuild the city and 2nd temple.

2. During... the Jew's captivity to Babylon, they stopped using Hebrew and used Aramaic instead. The false one's that had crept in among their priesthood created their Hebrew sage philosophy book called the Babylonion Talmud, and that... set of DOCTRINES OF MEN became the foundation of Judaism, as it still is to this day.

So basically, the Jew's religion went into corruption, which is why Jesus rebuked many of the doctrines of the scribes and Pharisees who actually wanted to kill Him. Why would those want to kill Jesus if they were of His people? Those were NOT of His people. False ones of the pagan Canaanites began creeping in among Judah early in Israel's history. The scribes of Israel in care of God's written Word were all foreigner Kenites of the nations of Canaan, and not true seed of Israel.

But there were Pharisees of the true seed of the children of Israel that believed... on Jesus Christ. And even Nicodemus, a Pharisee, contributed spices for Jesus' burial. So not all... of the Pharisees were against Him nor wanted Jesus killed.

So you need to do more Bible study and quit listening to those preachers who run their mouths without knowledge.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Those who tend to stay mostly in The New Testament Books think along that line.

The Israel of God is a "commonwealth", like Apostle Paul said in Ephesians 2 to the Gentile believers at Ephesus.

God is Who originally established the nations with choosing the 'seed' of Israel to be a nation of priests. That originally was meant ONLY for the 'seed' of Israel. But in Christ it is for ALL nations that believe, each nation of believers serving as priests and kings under Christ Jesus for their own peoples; so that still does NOT eliminate the nation or heritage of one's natural birth.

The idea behind God choosing the 'seed' of Israel over all other nations and peoples is for the purpose of 'service' to all... peoples. It does not mean Israel is special because of birth. Being a chosen one is not a STATUS symbol. It means a RESPONSIBILITY, a DUTY unto all peoples to protect and carry The Gospel of Jesus Christ to all nations. This is why Christ chose His Apostles of the 'seed' of Israel first for that duty. Then when the other Jews rejected Christ, He then sent The Gospel to LOST ISRAEL (ten lost tribes of the 'seed' of Israel) AND the Gentiles that lost Israel dwelt amongst. Then both of those TOGETHER, including believing Jews, made up Christ's many-membered body of believers, His Church. And that... is God's TRUE Israel now, and what Apostle Paul meant that in Christ there is no difference between Jew and Gentile.

In Christ's future physical kingdom to be established upon this earth, there will still... be nations of the ethnos (ethnic peoples, Gentiles), and those who were born of the seed of Israel.

I agree with most of what you've said, I'd just like to confirm that you do make the distinction between Gods elect and those God gave the oracles of God to namely the Hebrews. I just want to make sure that you're not saying that anyone was or is saved because of their ethnicity.

The Israel of God means the Body of Christ, and there are no Jews or Gentiles in His body, all are One race if you will.

I also wanted to confirm that you do believe that God ordained for Israel to lose their favored status and go to the back of the que until the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled. So now the Gentiles have found favor with god, while the Jews are in a kind of limbo, until the last Gentile is added to the Church, then the Jews will be converted last.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Once again, your speech reveals you don't really know your Old Testament history. Don't feel bad about that, because many preachers don't know it either, their staying mostly in The New Testament Books.

1. At 1 Kings 11 forward, God split the original kingdom of Israel into TWO separate Kingdoms. The kings of Judah of the house of David along with the tribes of Benjamin and Levi made up the southern "kingdom of Judah" (2 Chronicles 11; 1 Kings 11 thru 2 Kings 17). These 3 tribes, Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and a small remnant of the northern ten tribes that moved to Judea, make up that southern KINGDOM with its capital at Jerusalem. All... of those that lived there, including strangers, became known as JEWS. Per the Jewish historian Josephus, that title of 'Jew' applied ONLY to that southern "kingdom of Judah" at Jerusalem/Judea.

So the "kingdom of Judah" made up of 3 tribes that became known as JEWS definitely did... exist. Then when they began to fall away from God, He brought Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, upon them and took them captive to Babylon for 70 years.

After their captivity to Babylon, ONLY a small remnant of those Jews returned to Jerusalem to rebuild the city and 2nd temple.

2. During... the Jew's captivity to Babylon, they stopped using Hebrew and used Aramaic instead. The false one's that had crept in among their priesthood created their Hebrew sage philosophy book called the Babylonion Talmud, and that... set of DOCTRINES OF MEN became the foundation of Judaism, as it still is to this day.

So basically, the Jew's religion went into corruption, which is why Jesus rebuked many of the doctrines of the scribes and Pharisees who actually wanted to kill Him. Why would those want to kill Jesus if they were of His people? Those were NOT of His people. False ones of the pagan Canaanites began creeping in among Judah early in Israel's history. The scribes of Israel in care of God's written Word were all foreigner Kenites of the nations of Canaan, and not true seed of Israel.

But there were Pharisees of the true seed of the children of Israel that believed... on Jesus Christ. And even Nicodemus, a Pharisee, contributed spices for Jesus' burial. So not all... of the Pharisees were against Him nor wanted Jesus killed.

So you need to do more Bible study and quit listening to those preachers who run their mouths without knowledge.

OK, given all of those facts, it still doesn't mean that any faithful Jews exist today. As I pointed out earlier, Jesus came to bring an end to Judaism and to abolish the favored people status Jews previously enjoyed.

Jesus replaced the Jewish sacrificial system, and most the Jewish laws and He ordained the Temple to be destroyed. That effectively made Judaism invalid, it has no further use in Gods economy. The Temple will never be rebuilt and Judaism will never be a valid religion again. Christ is the New Temple, so there's no need for the old one, with it's ordinances and laws which couldn't never able to save anyone.