The Doctrine of OSAS

[ATP]

Who is Paul addressing? BELIEVERS. That is not the issue

So if believers are secured in their redemption forever, then wouldn't that mean forever?? Forever ever, forever ever??

 

[Barrd]

No, we have free will to repent. Repentance for nonbeliever is not the same as repentance for believer. Polar opposite.

We have free will not to repent, as well. For some reason OSASers want to forget that.

 

[justaname]

Your refusal to present a cogent argument indicates to me that you have none.

Yes, I understand what He did. However, looking at the doctrine you're espousing it doesn't appear that you do.That you asked the question suggests to me an attempt to distract from the real issue. As I've said, I don't believe anyone is arguing about whether the believe has eternal life or about God's or Christ's ability to save. The issue is will a man remain faithful or turn away, that is how one loses salvation. Posting passage that don't address this issue is simply a red herring fallacy.

"I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; and I will put the fear of Me in their hearts so that they will not turn away from Me.

 

[ATP]

We have free will not to repent, as well. For some reason OSASers want to forget that.

We do have free will not to repent. Correct. You will probably lose your joy but...

 

[justaname]

We have free will not to repent, as well. For some reason OSASers want to forget that.

"I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; and I will put the fear of Me in their hearts so that they will not turn away from Me.

 

[Butch5]

ATP, this is not a "game". People need to know the truth. Not a twisted version of it.
People must realize....they cannot hide under the blood of Christ to commit even more sin, believing that once they've been saved, what they do no longer matters.
There are too many who think to use this "eternal security" doctrine as a license to sin. They need to know that it is not any such thing.

He has no argument which is why I believe he responded with that statement. There is no argument for OSAS because it's not what the Scriptures teach. There are warnings in Scripture for the believer to stay the course and not turn away. However, OSAS supports won't address the turning away issue, instead the just post passages about believers or what God or Christ has done.

 

[justaname]

All of Scripture should be consulted...

 

[Butch5]

So if believers are secured in their redemption forever, then wouldn't that mean forever?? Forever ever, forever ever??

Only if they are believers. If they change their minds and stop believing they are no longer believers thus no forever.

 

[mjrhealth]

Once tou have received Christ and accepted salvation, the only way to loose it is to reject Christ. As a friend of mine said, Jesus cannot deny Himself. It is by faith we are justifed.....

 

[Barrd]

like I said, silly end times internet.

Do you think because it is the internet, you are not accountable for what you say to people?

 

[Barrd]

silly usernames and silly avatars, idol worship.

You have a silly username, don't you.
No one here has any clue what ATP stands for.
Honestly, now you're going to criticize user names and avatars?

 

[rockytopva]

Ewwwwwww... Doggie Jethro this is a hot one!

 

[Barrd]

All of Scripture should be consulted...

Yes, all of scripture. Every line and every verse.

 

[Barrd]

Only if they are believers. If they change their minds and stop believing they are no longer believers thus no forever.

And people have the right to change their minds.

 

[justaname]

And people have the right to change their minds.

Tell that to God...
"I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; and I will put the fear of Me in their hearts so that they will not turn away from Me.

 

[Barrd]

Once tou have received Christ and accepted salvation, the only way to loose it is to reject Christ. As a friend of mine said, Jesus cannot deny Himself. It is by faith we are justifed.....

Yes...but the possibility that someone could deny Christ does exist.
It has happened.

 

[Barrd]

Tell that to God...
"I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; and I will put the fear of Me in their hearts so that they will not turn away from Me.

I think God knows it already...after all, He gave us freewill.
Didn't Adam sin, in the Garden of Eden? And didn't he know God intimately?

 

[Barrd]

We do have free will not to repent. Correct. You will probably lose your joy but...

If you sin and do not repent, you're going to lose more than your joy.

 

[justaname]

I think God knows it already...after all, He gave us freewill.
Didn't Adam sin, in the Garden of Eden? And didn't he know God intimately?

Just exactly how does that deal with this portion of scripture?

 

[Barrd]

Just exactly how does that deal with this portion of scripture?

All scripture...from "In the beginning God"....all the way to "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you" counts.
Every jot and every tittle.