I never said that "natural born citizen" appears in the 14th Amendment. That's your phrase. What do you think it means, and why do you think Kamala and Obama don't qualify.?
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VictoryinJesus
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You are probably right. I’m not a lawyer. I was only talking about the few I’ve witnessed. I guess they were not normal for listening to the advice to not be swayed off of what is important.
Lambano
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I agree with you, Ms. Victory. Somebody's gotta tell the emperor he's got no clothes on. But from what I've seen, Mr. Trump does not have anyone in his inner circle with the b@lls, excuse me, the courage to do so. And that's part of the problem. People with that kind of wisdom and courage don't last for long around Mr. Trump.
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Wrangler
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Very. See Jesus weeping for one man, Lazarus.
Honestly, this question again reveals the over-spiritualization of the modern church.
That wasn't concerning a personal threat to one's self though.
On the other hand, Jesus' anguish in the garden before His death serves to correct me.
Just the same, we needn't be in fear of things. We may dread the process, but just the same . . . for the joy that was set before Him . . .
Much love!
Wrangler
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I don’t think Trump fears anything. He loves America and will not tolerate fools who aim to bring it down. Trump is an agent of Justice.
Wrangler
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In order to get a better understanding of our storm clouds, let’s exam a few of the 45 Communist, and by extension Socialist and Progressive, goals that have been read into our Congressional Record:
Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
Get control of the schools and teachers’ associations. Soften the curriculum.
Gain control of all student newspapers.
Infiltrate the press.
Gain control of key positions in radio, TV and pictures.
Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and press.
Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in the media.
Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, and healthy.” 9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion.
Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principal of “separation of church and state.”
Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate and old-fashioned.
Discredit the American founding fathers as selfish aristocrats [and racists].
Belittle American culture and discourage the teaching of American history.
Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
Infiltrate and gain control of big business and unions.
Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as mental health or social problems.
Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents.
Repeal the Connally Reservation, allowing the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.
45 Communist Goals from 58 Years Ago
The Ethan Allen Institute is Vermont’s free-market public policy research and education organization. A “think tank.”
www.ethanallen.org
— Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations.
— Infiltrate the press. Get control of editorial writing and policymaking positions.
— Gain control of key positions in radio, TV and motion pictures.
— Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.
— Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage teaching of American history.
— Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of culture, education, social agencies and welfare programs.
— Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
— Discredit the family as an institution.
— Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents.
— Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition: that students should rise up and use force to solve economic, political or social problems.
It is time for every American to review this list. Washington, D.C., is not your team, whether you are a Republican or a Democrat. Washington is about power — and you are in the way.
Ann Hertzog
Communists are achieving their goals [letter]
On Jan. 10, 1963, the goals of communism were read into the Congressional Record by Democratic U.S. Rep. Syd Herlong of Florida.
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Kamala cannot by constitutional law become President. She is an anchor baby, mother is from India, father is Jamaican, and neither were american citizens at time of her birth. That means the Presidency would fall on Speaker of the house. Recently Nancy Pelosi stated that she was next in line to become President. THAT in itself is reason to vote her out in November. Democrats have worked the whole scenario out and I believe that is why they chose Kamala Harris.”
Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Based on the first sentence of Section 1, the Court has held that a child born in the United States of Chinese parents who were ineligible to be naturalized themselves is nevertheless a citizen of the United States entitled to all the rights and privileges of citizenship.1 The requirement that a person be subject to the jurisdiction thereof, however, excludes its application to children born of diplomatic representatives of a foreign state, children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation,2 or children of members of Indian tribes subject to tribal laws.3 In addition, the citizenship of children born on vessels in United States territorial waters or on the high seas has generally been held by the lower courts to be determined by the citizenship of the parents.4 Citizens of the United States within the meaning of this Amendment must be natural and not artificial persons; a corporate body is not a citizen of the United States.5
In Afroyim v. Rusk,1 a divided Court extended the force of this first sentence beyond prior holdings, ruling that it withdrew from the Government of the United States the power to expatriate United States citizens against their will for any reason. [T]he Amendment can most reasonably be read as defining a citizenship which a citizen keeps unless he voluntarily relinquishes it. Once acquired, this Fourteenth Amendment citizenship was not to be shifted, canceled, or diluted at the will of the Federal Government, the States, or any other government unit.2 In a subsequent decision, however, the Court held that persons who were statutorily naturalized by being born abroad of at least one American parent could not claim the protection of the first sentence of Section 1 and that Congress could therefore impose a reasonable and non-arbitrary condition subsequent upon their continued retention of United States citizenship.3 Between these two decisions is a tension that should call forth further litigation efforts to explore the meaning of the citizenship sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment.
Based on the first sentence of Section 1, the Court has held that a child born in the United States of Chinese parents who were ineligible to be naturalized themselves is nevertheless a citizen of the United States entitled to all the rights and privileges of citizenship.1 The requirement that a person be subject to the jurisdiction thereof, however, excludes its application to children born of diplomatic representatives of a foreign state, children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation,2 or children of members of Indian tribes subject to tribal laws.3 In addition, the citizenship of children born on vessels in United States territorial waters or on the high seas has generally been held by the lower courts to be determined by the citizenship of the parents.4 Citizens of the United States within the meaning of this Amendment must be natural and not artificial persons; a corporate body is not a citizen of the United States.5
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That was an answer. The best one I have to give you. Comparing Trumps getting offended by things that hurt his ego to getting emotional over “We are being invaded by the 10's of millions at the southern border, with $34T in debt and $128T in unfunded liabilities, embroiled in 2 wars with ambitious Islamic Caliphate and Communist China on the move. These are existential threats. If now is not a time to think we are in enough trouble to get emotional, then when?”
It’s emotional over two different things. Not to be compared (Imo).
I was commenting only on the debate. Only to voice I didn’t see that it went well for Trump. If anything (Imo) it was a set back. When he can do better. It has nothing to do with “If now is not a time to think we are in enough trouble to get emotional, then when?” he could have exposed her contradictions but instead he was too busy …here he proved her point in acting like a school boy saying “what? I have friends. I have supporters. I have lots of them.” Not in those words but close, in defending himself while she mocked him for saying strange stuff … it had nothing to do with any of the topics you listed saying now is the time to get serious and emotional. You are not at all disappointed he didn’t let her tactics bounce right off of him? I would have liked for Kamala to have been pressed by Trump to answer questions.
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The main problem i see is the set time limit to truly question such that is an issue, it's stupid ! that is not a debate ! that is a rush job ! not to mention a set up ! One sided and played.
I am so angery that Trump said that he will not debate Kamala again ! In another venue without it being rigged and set up ?
But Will Kamala debate openly each issue, like prove her self on the issues !
Kamala will wipe the floor with Trump on that point alone, that Trump is in fear of debating her, for she has painted Trump as piss weak in debates before that and that she has clearly won and that she is the master debator.
Kamala is a Devil that's for sure ! much like a Serpent in fact, it comes across well, but it is founded on Lies and deceptions, like no child goes 7 months in the womb and then is aborted ! It just does not happen in fact !
Now i ask, Is that true ? See you want to truly believe her on that line in fact ! for she has just given you total conviction, that it just never does happen ! and that she is totaly correct right !
But is that correct ? I am sure that it's an outright lie in fact ! But see how a Serpent works, stuf like that works like it's a charm ! but it's a delusion that is cast in fact and a move of deception i am sure !
The Debate was totaly set up by the moderators, for they did not call Kamala out on her claims, she must of been 100% correct in every one and what about all of the side steeping of so many issues as well ? You can see tactics like that played out in Court room for a display regarding a Jury ? but that's why you have another who works as to defends regarding such tactics and you have a Judge who deals regarding such things getting out of hand.
Trump was set up in the debate, it was all one way, against him totaly ! he had nothing to keep check for his regards !
It's the same with all of Trumps Legal issues, they are all totaly set up, so as to play the game play on him ! Their are Legal people who are corrupt as Hell in fact, who are setting Trump up ! Not to mention total morons claim that Trump is a covicted fellon, well that's not proven at all in fact, for such cases are not gone through the whole process of Law in fact ! Such things are not finished in fact, regarding the Law !
All people who work Games so as to undermine Trump are Criminals in fact, because they are trying in setting him up ! and what will such like that do to others ? the average person in the street ! It's all very Nasty and smells just like the Nazis and Communist do !
The Media is a total Whore ! We have Nazis in Ukraine in fact ! but No ! that's what the MSM say ! you have no rights to question about Nazis in Ukraine ! it's all hush hush or is it ademand to shut up ! on that issue !
Not to mention they hope like hell so as to provoke WW3 in fact ! That's what shits me off totaly about such Satanist ! for they have plans, they are setting us all up in fact ! No one could be so stupid or that Evil to bring WW3 on, because everyone looses but for the Socialist Anti-Christ Governments ! you all will loose your retirment funds that you have payed into, in such a War, in a flash ! that will be first to go ! Most people are that stupid that they do not believe such at all !
People should be marching in the streets, so as to de eslalate the War ! because fact is as the West provokes more and more. So does Russia have to do the same in fact ! Untill Russia is forced to go into a Nuclear War ! and they will on this issue i am 100% sure of that ! because if russia gives in, it's finnished as a Nation. it will loose it's number one Military Base. The MSM do not inform the public of that fact. Russia will never give it up !
That's why we need Trump to stop the idiot War !
WW2 was nothing ! that was childs play, no big deal at all, to what we will find coming our way ! most people will starve to death in fact ! But that's what the Satanist truly want and have said so in fact, that they want 80% of the people to die ! So as to save the world from climate change.
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Senator Ted Cruz clarified this years ago, but apparently not everyone got the memo:
The operative words are "subject to the jurisdiction thereof".
An anchor baby is not subject to U.S. jurisdiction - he's subject to the same jurisdiction of the foreign country from which his parents are subject.
Methinks you and Teddy Boy should read United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 693 (1898):
"the Fourteenth Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory, and with the single additional exception of children of members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes. The Amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States."
Good point, but I'm not sure how true that is. The Satanic media is attacking human minds all the time!
CadyandZoe
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Watch it again. Kamala didn't provoke Trump at all. He wasn't angry at Kamala; he was angry at the ABC Moderators. Trump's emotional response to Kamala was smiling, which indicated his amusement at her predictable recitation of worn-out, false rhetoric. Trump's scowl was directed at the ABC moderators who were unfair.
He did that.
No. Trump didn't forget his point. The moderators interrupted Trump. Whenever Kamala got into trouble that way, the moderators stepped in to change the subject. Kamala was directly responsible for the war in Ukraine, and when Trump pressed the point, the moderators changed the subject. When Trump pressed her on Afghanistan, the moderators changed the subject.
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