The Council of Nicea vs another christian religion

[robert derrick]

What are some things that you would say would be necessary to be unspooted by the world Rob.

You have indicated with your finishing statement that interfaith is accepted, do you have scriptural support for that sir?

A spot is like a blot and the stain of sins.

He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully. (Psalm 24)

What is necessary to fulfill the Scripture is holding the faith of Jesus from the heart and doing accordingly in all things: fulfilling the royal law to love our neighbors as ourselves, without being entangled in the sins and transgressions of the world.

Continuing in prayer in the Spirit and growing in the knowledge of the Lord according to His Word ensures our faith in Him:

But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. (Jude)

But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. (Heb 5)

You have indicated with your finishing statement that interfaith is accepted, do you have scriptural support for that sir?

Don't know what you mean. There is one faith of God: the faith of Jesus.

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (Rev 14)

 

[Mungo]

Everything Jesus Told them there, applies to all believers in Jesus, unless you want to claim Jesus will return at His second coming, only for the apostles:

Jesus was speaking to the apostles not to everyone.

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Quoting inapplicable Scriptures doesn't make your claims true.

 

[robert derrick]

Everything Jesus Told them there, applies to all believers in Jesus, unless you want to claim Jesus will return at His second coming, only for the apostles:

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Good point.
Give ye ear, and hear my voice; hearken, and hear my speech. (Is 28)

While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice. (Heb 3)

It's so weird to have to even 'prove' that Scripture is speaking to all who believe.

The obvious lunacy is to think that Jesus is not speaking to us, and so why read what He said?

 

[amadeus]

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Each church cares for their own along with neighbor churches of God.

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You have indicated with your finishing statement that interfaith is accepted, do you have scriptural support for that sir?

"And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
For he that is not against us is on our part." Mark 9:38-40

 

[robert derrick]

No he wasn't speaking to you. Jesus was speaking at the Last Supper. Only the 12 were at the Last Supper and by the time Jesus spoke those words Judas had left.
You need to understand context.




More lies about me.
‘Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbor"
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

No he wasn't speaking to you.

Neither am I speaking to you.

I don't argue the things of God with unbelievers.

Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

 

[Mungo]

Good point.
Give ye ear, and hear my voice; hearken, and hear my speech. (Is 28)

While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice. (Heb 3)

It's so weird to have to even 'prove' that Scripture is speaking to all who believe.

The obvious lunacy is to think that Jesus is not speaking to us, and so why read what He said?

Scripture has information for all believers (and unbelievers) but when, in scripture, someone speaks to another, then what they say to that person is not necessarily applicable to all believers. You have to understand to whom it was addressed.

I would have thought you could understand even that simple logic. If you don't you will never understand scripture.

Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

Then perhaps I should not be speaking to you.

 

[robert derrick]

I would have thought you could understand even that simple logic. If you don't you will never understand scripture.

So says the one that rejects Scripture in favor of outside doctrines and traditions.

For some who are so adamant about how Scripture is not the only authority of God on earth, they sure do put a whole lot of stock in Scripture.

A true rejector of Sola Scriptura, that does not require Scripture to confirm anything true of God, would not even bother going to Scripture to prove anything at all.

And then they reject having the Spirit of truth dwelling in them, even as with the apostles and disciples of old, but go on to speak as authority about the truth of Scripture.

 

[Mungo]

I would have thought you could understand even that simple logic. If you don't you will never understand scripture.

So says the one that rejects Scripture in favor of outside doctrines and traditions.

For some who are so adamant about how Scripture is not the only authority of God on earth, they sure do put a whole lot of stock in Scripture.

A true rejector of Sola Scriptura, that does not require Scripture to confirm anything true of God, would not even bother going to Scripture to prove anything at all.

And then they reject having the Spirit of truth dwelling in them, even as with the apostles and disciples of old, but go on to speak as authority about the truth of Scripture.

Another lie from you.
Well believe what you like.

 

[Curtis]

Good point.
Give ye ear, and hear my voice; hearken, and hear my speech. (Is 28)

While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice. (Heb 3)

It's so weird to have to even 'prove' that Scripture is speaking to all who believe.

The obvious lunacy is to think that Jesus is not speaking to us, and so why read what He said?

Their false teaching is that Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom to Israel, but Paul preached the gospel of grace to the gentiles, so that jews will be in an earthly kingdom and Christians will be in heaven - thus they claim Jews and Christians have two different gospels, and two different destinies, and therefore nothing Jesus said or taught applies to Christians or the church.

If memory serves they are called Pauline dispensationalists, or mid-Acts dispensationalists.

One of many proofs they are wrong is Paul preaching the kingdom of God in the last chapter of Acts.

By their claims, Paul shouldn’t be preaching the kingdom, but only the gospel of grace,

Maranatha

 

[Curtis]

Jesus was speaking to the apostles not to everyone.


Quoting inapplicable Scriptures doesn't make your claims true.

My point is so incredibly and unequivocally true and obvious, it needs no other reply to anyone with ears to hear.

Maranatha

 

[Mungo]

My point is so incredibly and unequivocally true and obvious, it needs no other reply to anyone with ears to hear.

Maranatha

 

[Robert Gwin]

A spot is like a blot and the stain of sins.

He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully. (Psalm 24)

What is necessary to fulfill the Scripture is holding the faith of Jesus from the heart and doing accordingly in all things: fulfilling the royal law to love our neighbors as ourselves, without being entangled in the sins and transgressions of the world.

Continuing in prayer in the Spirit and growing in the knowledge of the Lord according to His Word ensures our faith in Him:

But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. (Jude)

But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. (Heb 5)

You have indicated with your finishing statement that interfaith is accepted, do you have scriptural support for that sir?

Don't know what you mean. There is one faith of God: the faith of Jesus.

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (Rev 14)

You said Each church cares for their own along with neighbor churches of God. Mingling with other faiths is interfaith Rob. We consider all other faiths to be babylon the great

 

[robert derrick]

Their false teaching is that Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom to Israel, but Paul preached the gospel of grace to the gentiles, so that jews will be in an earthly kingdom and Christians will be in heaven - thus they claim Jews and Christians have two different gospels, and two different destinies, and therefore nothing Jesus said or taught applies to Christians or the church.

If memory serves they are called Pauline dispensationalists, or mid-Acts dispensationalists.

One of many proofs they are wrong is Paul preaching the kingdom of God in the last chapter of Acts.

By their claims, Paul shouldn’t be preaching the kingdom, but only the gospel of grace,

Maranatha

Therefore, they shouldn't bother reading anything before Romans.

They really shouldn't bother reading anything of Scripture, since they only believe what they want anyway.

 

[amadeus]

My point is so incredibly and unequivocally true and obvious, it needs no other reply to anyone with ears to hear.

Maranatha

Be very careful on presuming that what seems true and obvious to you must also true and obvious to everyone else. Was Solomon inspired by God to write these words?

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

 

[robert derrick]

You said Each church cares for their own along with neighbor churches of God. Mingling with other faiths is interfaith Rob. We consider all other faiths to be babylon the great

I was speaking of widows and orphans. Charity among the church.

The churches of God are the churches of God, not the religions of the world.

So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure.

Paul took up a collection from the churches for those of Jerusalem.

And besides, matters of faith is not a condition for charity with our neighbors in need. We provide for our onw 1st. We have charity among the household of faith. And finally we love our neighbors as ourselves, when a opportunity arises to do so.

We're not talking about 'intermingling' of different faiths.

We consider all other faiths to be babylon the great

Except of course for the one true faith of God: the faith of Jesus. Upon which the churches of God are built by Jesus.

 

[Robert Gwin]

"And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
For he that is not against us is on our part." Mark 9:38-40

Interesting that you mentioned that Ama, we teach that is no longer acceptable, why? Because the new faith was "born" when the covenant went into force on Pentecost of 33. Jehovah did keep the Law covenant in force for another 3.5 yrs but by then all were expected to be in the faith.

 

[robert derrick]

Be very careful on presuming that what seems true and obvious to you must also true and obvious to everyone else. Was Solomon inspired by God to write these words?

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

You appear to be saying no one can believe and know anything of a certainty. (Luke 1:1-3)

What Curtis said was obviously true without doubt, except by them that reject the obvious truth.

When quoting Scripture, we are quoting what is right with God.

When offering the sense of Scripture as written, we are teaching Scripture and the sense of it.

So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading. (Neh 8:8)

 

[amadeus]

Interesting that you mentioned that Ama, we teach that is no longer acceptable, why? Because the new faith was "born" when the covenant went into force on Pentecost of 33. Jehovah did keep the Law covenant in force for another 3.5 yrs but by then all were expected to be in the faith.

On several things you have written I have been with you... this one, no. Jesus was speaking of the heart of man and the heart of God, as I see it. Man has always been beastly since he began to disobey God. Only when and if he has completely overcome the ways of the flesh is it no long so.

God, on the other hand, has always been good and has always been love. He does not change. Do I understand all of these things? I only understand what God has shown me... and certainly I have been wrong, but He is not finished with me yet. Trust Him, no matter what!

 

[amadeus]

You appear to be saying no one can believe and know anything of a certainty. (Luke 1:1-3)

What Curtis said was obviously true without doubt, except by them that reject the obvious truth.

When quoting Scripture, we are quoting what is right with God.

When offering the sense of Scripture as written, we are teaching Scripture and the sense of it.

So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading. (Neh 8:8)

There are those who live by faith and then there are also those who support their ATs [Absolute Truths]. The differences in ATs probably is a major reason why there are seeming thousands of different Christian church groups instead on only One among the organizations of men.

I believe in ATs, but only God knows which [if any] of them are correct and which are not. Some individuals may do know some ATs, because God gave them those, but no one can tell the Truth to other believers and expect them all to believe everything he says. That is the beast nature of man still fighting to retain and/or regain his dominion.

What is the difference between faith and knowledge?
How can one understand it?

 

[robert derrick]

There are those who live by faith and then there are also those who support their ATs [Absolute Truths]. The differences in ATs probably is a major reason why there are seeming thousands of different Christian church groups instead on only One among the organizations of men.

I believe in ATs, but only God knows which [if any] of them are correct and which are not. Some individuals may do know some ATs, because God gave them those, but no one can tell the Truth to other believers and expect them all to believe everything he says. That is the beast nature of man still fighting to retain and/or regain his dominion.

What is the difference between faith and knowledge?
How can one understand it?

You are mixing personal revelation from knowing Scripture.

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

All Scripture is the truth. (John 17:17)

When we quote Scripture, we quote the truth and know the truth.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The truth is that God created the heaven and the earth, and I know that for an absolute fact. It's an 'AT'.

Personal revelation is a different matter of prophecy. They don't cause divisions in the church, except that one may or may not believe them.

Divisions come from interpreting Scripture differently. There is a difference between knowing Scripture, and knowing doctrine of Scripture.

Most Scripture is without interpretation, because it is plainly written, and is either believed or not, as with Gen 1:1.

When we add (Col 1:16-17):
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

We can now teach an interpretation and doctrine of Scripture: Jesus Christ is the God that created the heaven and the earth.

John 1:1 & 14 would confirm it.

Divisions come over doctrinal teaching, and they can become so sharp, that there is no fellowship at all.

Sad, but true.

That is why I stick to Scripture. I keep fellowship with anyone confessing Jesus is the Lord, and only break company with anyone due to their open living of sin and transgression. (1 Cor 5:10)(2 Thess 3:14)

I don't break fellowship over doctrinal differences. That is where love covers a multitude of differences.