The Church Is The Israel Of God, Children Of The Promised Seed

[amigo de christo]

Any belief system that would bring Christ back to earth for a re-do of what he already accomplished 2,000 years ago is heretical.

1- To bring back Christ to a literal temple when He has said multiple times that his temple is spiritual and not literal is heresy.
2- To bring back Christ for a redo of OT sacrifices when he was the ultimate sacrifice on the cross is heresy.
3- To separate the Jews from the Christians in the body of Christ when Christ brought both into one body is heresy.
4- To "rapture" the church to avoid tribulation is nothing but whiners thinking they are above trials and tribulations and therefore it is heresy.
5- To claim the New Covenant is for the Jews at a later time is heresy.
6- The belief that Jews can still be saved without believing in Jesus is heresy.
7- The belief that the Pope is the head of the Church while it is on Earth as well as the vicar of Christ and the veneration of Mary is heretical.
8- Roman Catholicism violates scripture in its doctrine of salvation, its claims about its authority, its apostolic succession, its priesthood, and its claim to have the sole right to interpret Scripture is heresy.

And yet most churches are full of this stuff .
its time to return to bibles and start learning for ourselves .

 

[amigo de christo]

I've been through this with you in another site but you still have your head buried in the sand. You deny the truth of #1. Remember "hieron" versus "naos?"

Many are looking for this new rebuilt temple , and yet JESUS makes very clear in revelation
what the true temple is , the true city is . ITS HEAVENLY and YES it will descend one day
But guess who the temple is , GOD and THE LAMB . folks are having hope in this coming physical temple
WHEN IN TRUTH the TEMPLE already is , ABOVE IN HEAVEN . GOD and the LAMB ARE THE TEMPLE
JESUS already DID the pure and holy sacrifice for sins and new life .
THey all knew it was about the temple that was above . Even paul says JERSUALEM which is ABOVE , mother of us all
And the all in that picture was the jews and gentiles who believed in JESUS .
Folks are looking to the natural , holding onto to any kind of hope from the world . ITS DONE ALREADY .
I say we HOPE IN THAT CITY , and in that TEMPLE . MOTHER HEAVENLY JERUSALEM , where the TEMPLE IS GOD and the LAMB .
And i saw no temple therein , FOR THE TEMPLE IS GOD and the LAMB . March on .
And let no man heed these john haggees and others who try and say salvation was for a later time for the jews .
THERE IS NO SUCH THING . EITHER one comes to Christ or prepare to wail on the DAY of the LORD is all i can say .
THERE will be many gentiles wailing on that day , and many jews as well . MANY are preaching
two gospels as well . A LIE THAT ONE IS TOO . ONE GOSPEL , ONE LORD , ONE GOD . For both the jew and the gentile .
Whoever denies that ONE GOSPEL , whether jew or gentile is gonna wail on the day of the LORD .
EVEN NOW Jersusalem on earth moans and groans being in heavy bondage unto sin ,
BUT JERSUALEM WHICH IS ABOVE IS FREE . AND I SAY ITS THE TRUE JERUSALEM OF GOD and of the LAMB .

 

[Keraz]

Dispensationalism and pre-mils preach another Jesus because of "his so-called" inability to accomplish all that the Father gave him to do before the cross.

I am neither a 'dipsy or a pre-mill' believer. I present what the Bible says:
That; Jesus will come again, in His power and glory. But His Return will be to a very different world than what we have now and it is those dramatic changes which I post here about.
Any objections to those forthcoming events are over ruled by the Bible truth of the Prophetic Word.

Dispies doctrine claims that Jesus failed to fulfill Jeremiah's prophecy to bring the two houses of Israel and Judah together as prophesied as well as the New Covenant...

The great rejoining of the two Houses; Israel and Judah; as described in Ezekiel 37:15-28, is yet to happen. It will; before Jesus Returns. Jeremiah 50:4-5
Note; that Jeremiah 50:5 and Ezekiel 37:26 say it is after their rejoining when the Lord will make the new Covenant.

 

[Keraz]

Many are looking for this new rebuilt temple

I suggest you do a Bible word search for 'Temple', and see how many Prophesies say there will be a new Temple built in Jerusalem; before Jesus Returns to reign from it.
We Christians do represent the spiritual Temple for now, this truth does not preclude a new, physical Temple.

EITHER one comes to Christ or prepare to wail on the DAY of the LORD is all i can say

I agree. But; which Day of the Lord do you refer to?
The Day He comes in glory, seen by everyone. Or the Day He comes in vengeance and wrath, not seen by anyone?

 

[covenantee]

Stop changing the number used. 10k is the number.

Stop avoiding the questions.

Ten thousand in 1 Corinthians 4:15 is a figurative number because it is a hypothetical number. The NASB and YLT (and other translations) all capture its essence.

1 Corinthians 4:15 NASB
For if you were to have countless tutors in Christ, yet you would not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.

1 Corinthians 4:15 YLT
for if a myriad of child-conductors ye may have in Christ, yet not many fathers; for in Christ Jesus, through the good news, I -- I did beget you;

From Strong's:
Plural of an apparently primary word (properly, meaning very many); ten thousand; by extension, innumerably many -- ten thousand.

So much for 10K.

 

[ewq1938]

Stop avoiding the questions.

Ten thousand in 1 Corinthians 4:15 is a figurative number because it is a hypothetical number. The NASB and YLT (and other translations) all capture its essence.

1 Corinthians 4:15 NASB
For if you were to have countless tutors in Christ, yet you would not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.

1 Corinthians 4:15 YLT
for if a myriad of child-conductors ye may have in Christ, yet not many fathers; for in Christ Jesus, through the good news, I -- I did beget you;

From Strong's:
Plural of an apparently primary word (properly, meaning very many); ten thousand; by extension, innumerably many -- ten thousand.

So much for 10K.

It can mean 10k, or more. So what? It's not the Greek word used in Revelation 20 so this is meaningless.

 

[Moriah's Song]

I am neither a 'dipsy or a pre-mill' believer. I present what the Bible says:
That; Jesus will come again, in His power and glory. But His Return will be to a very different world than what we have now and it is those dramatic changes which I post here about.
Any objections to those forthcoming events are over ruled by the Bible truth of the Prophetic Word.

Trolls like yourself who only come on forums like this for the sole purpose of promoting an agenda that is not biblical does not deserve to be given my time when others who have an open mind do. I prefer not to waste my time by giving you a platform for your agenda that is not worth debating.

 

[Moriah's Song]

1- To bring back Christ to a literal temple when He has said multiple times that his temple is spiritual and not literal is heresy.

The "so-called new temple" for a Christ who stated clearly that his temple is spiritual is heresy!

Act 7:49...'Heaven is my throne, and earth my footstool. What house will you build for me, says the Lord, or what is the place of my rest?

Jhn 4:20 - 21...The Samaritan woman said: "Our fathers worshiped on this mountain; and you say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship." Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.

1Pe 2:5...and like living stones be yourselves built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.​

 

[Timtofly]

The "so-called new temple" for a Christ who stated clearly that his temple is spiritual is heresy!

Act 7:49...'Heaven is my throne, and earth my footstool. What house will you build for me, says the Lord, or what is the place of my rest?

Jhn 4:20 - 21...The Samaritan woman said: "Our fathers worshiped on this mountain; and you say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship." Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.

1Pe 2:5...and like living stones be yourselves built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.​

God never wanted a temple.

You should condemn David and Solomon and put them on your troll list as they posted stuff in the Bible.

 

[Moriah's Song]

God never wanted a temple.

You should condemn David and Solomon and put them on your troll list as they posted stuff in the Bible.

God used temples in the OT. Jesus is the "new spiritual temple" of the NT. No more temples are needed.

 

[amigo de christo]

God used temples in the OT. Jesus is the "new spiritual temple" of the NT. No more temples are needed.

And i saw NO TEMPLE therein , for GOD and the lamb are THE TEMPLE THEREOF .
And our body is the temple wherein dwells the Holy Ghost , little stones built up unto a spiritual temple .
Its real simple indeed my friend . Many look for and hope in a temple that will bring them no hope .
Lambs hope in GOD , IN CHRIST who is the temple of our heavenly Kingdom .
Its all about Knowing and serving Christ . Even the earthen temple was but a shadow of what was to come
but the BODY IS OF GOD IS OF CHRIST . That is the temple we dwell within and one day
it shall descend . Connected to the KINGDOM above by Faith IN HE WHO GOD DID SEND , that is JESUS CHRIST the GLORIOUS LORD .

 

[Timtofly]

God used temples in the OT. Jesus is the "new spiritual temple" of the NT. No more temples are needed.

God uses sinners. Does not mean you can call other posters, trolls.

 

[Keraz]

The "so-called new temple" for a Christ who stated clearly that his temple is spiritual is heresy!

Explain then: how will 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Revelation 11:1-3 be fulfilled?
Plus the many OT prophesies like Isaiah 56:6-7, Zechariah 1:16, Haggai 2:6-9, +

It would be much better for you and everyone here, if your beliefs conformed to Bible truths.

 

[Moriah's Song]

It would be much better for you and everyone here, if your beliefs conformed to Bible truths.

Saying this is supposed to make us believe you are conformed to Bible truths????? Yeah right! You fool no one.

 

[Moriah's Song]

God uses sinners. Does not mean you can call other posters, trolls.

That's not a legitimate comparison. Mine is. (read amigio's informative post above)

 

[Timtofly]

That's not a legitimate comparison. Mine is. (read amigio's informative post above)

You condemn people. God still uses broken things. So your condemnation is pointless.

You pointed out that fact, not me. Do you not even understand your own justification? You are so bent on fixing others, have you forgotten your own sinful condition?

 

[Moriah's Song]

God uses sinners. Does not mean you can call other posters, trolls.

Your comparison of "sinners" with "trolls" is not a legitimate comparison of words because "trolls" are not necessarily "sinning" when trolling an agenda.

 

[Timtofly]

Your comparison of "sinners" with "trolls" is not a legitimate comparison of words because "trolls" are not necessarily "sinning" when trolling an agenda.

Well sure, breaking forum rules are not exactly breaking the law of Moses. However judging people's motives and actions are Scriptural principles.

 

[covenantee]

It can mean 10k, or more. So what? It's not the Greek word used in Revelation 20 so this is meaningless.

Not meaningless, as it demonstrates that a number that you were adamant is literal, is in fact figurative.

 

[Keraz]

Explain then: how will 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Revelation 11:1-3 be fulfilled?
Plus the many OT prophesies like Isaiah 56:6-7, Zechariah 1:16, Haggai 2:6-9, +

Saying this is supposed to make us believe you are conformed to Bible truths????? Yeah right! You fool no one.

Your accusations are hollow and have no substance.
Please indulge us and answer how the prophesies I listed above can be fulfilled without a new Temple.