THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL
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You said, "The gospel given us in this dispensation is only found in the epistles of Paul;
Why are you citing the Gospels when you clearly stated: "The gospel given us in this dispensation is only found in the epistles of Paul;"
If there is only one gospel in the Bible how is this verse explained
[Rev 14:6 KJV] 6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
There is an angel preaching a gospel which Paul would have to accurse
[Rev 14:7 KJV] 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
The gospel preached is identified by the angel "saying"........the angel says what the gospel is
Is this the same gospel preached by Jesus and the twelve or Paul?
You cant find the term body of Christ before Paul
There was the church of God composed of believers that Jesus is Christ the Son of God......it was the remnant of Israel
One example of the body of Christ doctrine..........there is neither Jew or Greek in the body
Apparently Peter didnt seem to know this when in Acts 10:28 Peter still held it to unlawful for a Jew to keep company with a Gentile
Peter didnt know he was not under the law which Paul made clear to the body of Christ
There is more than one gospel in the Bible That had to be believed by those given their gospel in their dispensation
Below is a link of my post here
MORE THAN ONE BIBLE GOSPEL
rebuilder 454
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Look at acts the last chapter IT SAYS TWICE that Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom.
Maybe he should have included the cross????
The argument of the paulines is ridiculous.
rebuilder 454
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Pure hogwash
Every word.
Look at all Paul's ordinances. ( laws)
Do the women of your church cover their heads?
Paul shaved his head in keeping a vow. (Law).
Most hyper paulines do not know of all Paul's ordinances, (laws) but they get some flyspeck and condemn the Apostles and Jesus himself, claiming Jesus and every apostle was confused as to the gospel.
I was responding to what you said......THEY ALL PREACHED SALVATION THROUGH JESUS ONLY.
My point was they preached Christ differently for salvation
They were dealing with very religious people it had to be preached in different ways but to the same end. The main message is the same Jesus preached the coming of the kingdom of God the word of God the forgiveness of sins and made the sacrifice to save humanity as God willed him to do. Paul preached salvation by faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus which could not be preached until Jesus made the sacrifice and ascended to heaven with the coming of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus did speak of his death and resurrection but no one understood.Peter is a good example.Jesus is there suffering knowing full well what hes about to go through and Peter sees him suffering - Peter heard many time Jesus say he would sacrifice himself - so what does he do he tries to reassure Jesus that everything will will be alright and it will pass.Upon hearing that you can understand why Jesus turned and said get behind me Satan even the other disciples were shocked at what Jesus said .Jesus was also expecting Satan to try to stop him.But by all we know it may of been Satan trying to get at Christ Jesus said it was and he was expecting it but as he said he protected his own only Judas failed and fell completely to Satan's temptation which Jesus foretold just before it happened.
Jesus did speak of his death and resurrection but no one understood.Peter is a good example.Jesus is there suffering knowing full well what hes about to go through and Peter sees him suffering - Peter heard many time Jesus say he would sacrifice himself - so what does he do he tries to reassure Jesus that everything will will be alright and it will pass.Upon hearing that you can understand why Jesus turned and said get behind me Satan even the other disciples were shocked at what Jesus said .Jesus was also expecting Satan to try to stop him.But by all we know it may of been Satan trying to get at Christ Jesus said it was and he was expecting it but as he said he protected his own only Judas failed and fell completely to Satan's temptation which Jesus foretold just before it happened.
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Mark 16:15 says in Jesus own words, "preach the gospel to every creature", singular, not gospels, and specific, "the", and "every creature" means the same one to everyone.
And Matt 28 says "teach all nations", not a unique one to Jews, and some other one to non-Jews.
Well you have different people giving their witness account to Christ if they were all exactly the same I would call it fake for sure that they are different shows they are authentic.The four Gospel were meant to be preached to different people in that time.Matthews Gospel was meant to be preached to the Jews just reading it you can see that, Mark's was thought to be meant for a private group and was incomplete.Luke's Gospel was meant to be preached to the Gentiles and Romans John's Gospel is stand alone on the divinity of Christ its for everyone.They did not have a bible it was not printed until the 1500s and even then only rich people could afford it.No one had access to the scriptures like you do its not like today and it was a very religious Jewish society very unlike today they were still making sacrifices for their sins and Christianity was outlawed.A completely different time on the earth no one preach all the gospels like they do today they all come to the same end salvation by faith in the death and resurrection of Christ which Paul preached after Jesus was crucified and ascended to heaven he could not preach it before that because it had not yet happened Paul was also very heavily aide by the Holy Spirit in his preaching as they all were.The Holy Spirit did not come until Jesus acceded.
You have four different people with four different views they cannot be the same people do not witness and see and hear the same thing certain things would stand out to each of them.Just like today 2 different people witnessing the same event will have slightly different accounts of what happened.If there were 4 gospel accounts exactly the same I would suspect forgery that their are 4 different accounts shows it is authentic rather than 4 accounts exactly the same.
This generation desperately wants a sign of God but the bible tells us the only sign we will get is the sign of Jonah
The sign of Jonah is the proof that Jesus will offer himself as a sacrifice and after 3 days he would be raised from the grave. The sign of Jonah is the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
This generation desperately wants a sign of God but the bible tells us the only sign we will get is the sign of Jonah
The sign of Jonah is the proof that Jesus will offer himself as a sacrifice and after 3 days he would be raised from the grave. The sign of Jonah is the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
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The gospels are not preached all at the same time
The only overlap I know of is when Peter and the twelve were preaching the gospel of the kingdom (the Davidic kingdom on earth) at the same time Paul was preaching the gospel of Christ. They did separate themselves and the gospel of the kingdom faded out,
In Matthew 28 Jesus commanded them to go to all nations but Peter and the apostles decided to only go to the Jews in Galatians 2:9 when they perceived the apostleship of Paul.
Not preached all at the same time which h is obvious and logical, but the point is it is one gospel not many different ones or that impose different things on different peoples
Then please show me from scripture that they all preached the same gospel and specifically that Peter and the twelve preached the cross for salvation
I agree with that.
The internet is inundated with numerous efforts aimed at undermining the credibility of the Scriptures. At the core of these endeavors lies a singular force orchestrating these actions. The Devil seeks to obliterate the sole substantial source that provides Christians with certainty in the truth.
The responsibility of all who revere the God of the Bible and adhere to his Son is to uphold those biblical truths in the same manner that Jesus himself proclaimed when he stated:
John 10:35 ... the scripture cannot be nullified
I don't know what you're mean..it appears that you, like many others erroneously think that you can find the complete message on any given biblical topic, nicely in one place, and that each and every time it must be repeated in total. That's not how it works nor does that make sense. Why are there 4 gospels and not one and why don't they record the exact same thing verbatim? The fact is, there are 4, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and you must use them all in total to get the most complete understanding of the events. They don't record sll the same events nor are they worded exactly the same. Does that mean one is superior or takes precedence over another? No, not by any means; but for clarity, you read them all, believe them all, and combine them all for completeness. Likewise, you find the same with the various letters. Read them all as though they are one. You won't find the complete list of requirements regarding what's required for salvation in one place. Does that mean that because in one writing, belief is mentioned, but not repentance, that repentance isn't required? No. That would put scripture against scripture. You must consider everything that's stated on the subject, and piece the details together to get the complete, total list. Because Jesus is recorded as saying belief and baptism is required in Mark 16:15-16, does that mean repentance, and confession are not, when there are other scriptures that say they too are required, but maybe don't mention belief even, or baptism. Romans 10:9-10 says confess with the mouth and believe with the heart. Does that mean repentance is not necessary, or baptism is not necessary? No. There are other scriptures that say they both are necessary. Does that mean some scripture shouldn't be believed and discarded? No. That's pitting scripture against scripture, which makes no sense, but that's what many erroneously choose to do.
I agree.
That is a mechanistic approach, relying solely on the decontextualization of texts. Such a form of biblical interpretation is materialistic, dialectical and purely intellectual, akin to terms like "carnal".
Relying exclusively on this approach will prevent us from achieving a true understanding of biblical matters, as it lacks spirituality. Artificial intelligence operates on this same principle, which is exactly why we shouldn’t anticipate that a machine can reason in the same way a human does.
quietthinker
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