THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL

[Doug]

Were you looking in a mirror when you said that?????
I have forced you over and over to Go against the bible.

Pssst...grace teaching is from Genesis to revelation.

( pssst...God has only one remedy for sin...INNOCENT BLOOD)
Because you center in Paul you can not understand God's purpose and mission.

You do not understand salvation, or what the ultimate Goal of God's plan is.
Paul has replaced all of that to you, and Paul has become your obsession.
Not God...but Paul is your center.

So when you look in the mirror ask yourself in sincerity what has led you away from rightly dividing the bible.
Ahem....since you read only Paul. ...the rest of the bible is...as your doctrine declares .IRRELEVANT.

You only read Paul, then declare others do not rightly divide the bible.

Whew....that is the ultimate irony.

Thanks
Keep reading my posts....alot more than just Paul....All scripture is for us

 

[Doug]

Were you looking in a mirror when you said that?????
I have forced you over and over to Go against the bible.

Pssst...grace teaching is from Genesis to revelation.

( pssst...God has only one remedy for sin...INNOCENT BLOOD)
Because you center in Paul you can not understand God's purpose and mission.

You do not understand salvation, or what the ultimate Goal of God's plan is.
Paul has replaced all of that to you, and Paul has become your obsession.
Not God...but Paul is your center.

So when you look in the mirror ask yourself in sincerity what has led you away from rightly dividing the bible.
Ahem....since you read only Paul. ...the rest of the bible is...as your doctrine declares .IRRELEVANT.

You only read Paul, then declare others do not rightly divide the bible.

Whew....that is the ultimate irony.

So there was nothing in their teachings you rejected

 

[DJT_47]

There is only one gospel of salvation and can't be any more or less. The gospel IS the gospel which is (or should be but unfortunatelyi isn't) the same today as it was back then that the apostles universally preached.

 

[Doug]

There is only one gospel of salvation and can't be any more or less. The gospel IS the gospel which is (or should be but unfortunatelyi isn't) the same today as it was back then that the apostles universally preached.

Please what is the gospel?

 

[DJT_47]

You need to only look at 2 conversions in the book of Acts to get the complete context of requirements which embodies the entirety of the gospel message: the conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8, and the conversion of the Jews on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2. In both instances they were preached Jesus as the Christ, and a total of 4 requirements then stemmed out of these conversions.
It requires
1. Belief and faith in Jesus as the Christ
2. Confession of your belief as required also by Romans 10:8-10
3. Repentance
4. Immersion in water, baptism, for the remission of sins, to receive the gift of the Spirit, and to be added to the body of Christ

So, you can conclude that the gospel message requires not just preaching and belief in Jesus as Lord, but also notes that sin is prevalent, requires repentance and remission of it through him, and that baptism is the means by which this is accomplished and critical to salvation, as it not only is the means or avenue necessitating obedience to, but also enables one to become a part of the Lord's body as well as his Spirit also then becoming part of the obedient believer.

Simple message universally preached and simple solution requiring belief, faith, and obedience.

 

[Doug]

You need to only look at 2 conversions in the book of Acts to get the complete context of requirements which embodies the entirety of the gospel message: the conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8, and the conversion of the Jews on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2. In both instances they were preached Jesus as the Christ, and a total of 4 requirements then stemmed out of these conversions.
It requires
1. Belief and faith in Jesus as the Christ
2. Confession of your belief as required also by Romans 10:8-10
3. Repentance
4. Immersion in water, baptism, for the remission of sins, to receive the gift of the Spirit, and to be added to the body of Christ

This part is good
This was required for Israel to have eternal life and enter the kingdom and reign with Christ as priests and kings for a thousand years

 

[Doug]

So, you can conclude that the gospel message requires not just preaching and belief in Jesus as Lord, but also notes that sin is prevalent, requires repentance and remission of it through him, and that baptism is the means by which this is accomplished and critical to salvation, as it not only is the means or avenue necessitating obedience to, but also enables one to become a part of the Lord's body as well as his Spirit also then becoming part of the obedient believer.

Simple message universally preached and simple solution requiring belief, faith, and obedience.

If you are saying that to be part of the Lord's body .....which I assume you mean to be the body of Christ the church today....then we arent required to be obedient to water baptism according to Paul

 

[DJT_47]

If you are saying that to be part of the Lord's body .....which I assume you mean to be the body of Christ the church today....then we arent required to be obedient to water baptism according to Paul

Without a doubt baptism is an absolute requirement of salvation. Numerous scriptures bear that fact out.

 

[Doug]

Without a doubt baptism is an absolute requirement of salvation. Numerous scriptures bear that fact out.

So are you saying water baptism is needed to be saved unto eternal life

 

[DJT_47]

I'm not saying that, the bible is. I'm simply reiterating what God's word clearly says. In Jesus own words below for instance. Ir can't get any simpler or clearer.

Mk 16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Belief + baptism = salvation

The two things, belief and baptism, are inextricably linked together meaning both are required.

 

[Doug]

I'm not saying that, the bible is. I'm simply reiterating what God's word clearly says. In Jesus own words below for instance. Ir can't get any simpler or clearer.

Mk 16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Belief + baptism = salvation

The two things, belief and baptism, are inextricably linked together meaning both are required.

I get what you are saying is you have to believe and get water baptized

What exactly do you have to believe?

 

[DJT_47]

I get what you are saying is you have to believe and get water baptized

What exactly do you have to believe?

Once again it's not me saying anything but what the bible is saying. And what you have to believe is the gospel. Belief that Jesus is the Christ and thru him and him only can you have everlasting life as he is tge propitiation for sins and by whom your sins can be forgiven by
1. belief and faith in him
2. Confession of your belief as the Ethiopian eunuch did in Acts 8
3. Repentance of your sins as the jews were told to do on the day of Pentecost
4. Being immersed in water, baptized, into Christ for the remission of your sins

That's the gospel and that's the remedy thru Jesus Christ

 

[Doug]

And what you have to believe is the gospel. Belief that Jesus is the Christ

Would it be right for me to say that the gospel you believe is found in the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?
They preached only to believe on Jesus that He was Christ, the Son of God (John 20:31)

 

[Doug]

2. Confession of your belief as the Ethiopian eunuch did in Acts 8

[Act 8:37 KJV] 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

The eunuch only believed that Jesus is the Son of God....nothing revealed of the cross

[Luk 12:8 KJV] 8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:

As far as confession,,,,,,Israel was commanded this not us in this dispensation

The only time Paul mentioned this was in Romans 10:9 and this was dealing with Israel

 

[Doug]

3. Repentance of your sins as the jews were told to do on the day of Pentecost

[Act 2:36 KJV] 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Israel had to repent of crucifying Jesus and believe He is both Lord and Christ

 

[Doug]

Being immersed in water, baptized, into Christ for the remission of your sins

[Act 2:38 KJV] 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Only Israel was commanded to be water baptized for the remission of sins
Paul never commanded us to be baptized in water

Here is our gospel
It is a link to my post on this website
THE GOSPEL

 

[DJT_47]

No, because there is more information contained elsewhere that can't be ignored.

Would it be right for me to say that the gospel you believe is found in the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?
They preached only to believe on Jesus that He was Christ, the Son of God (John 20:31)

No, because there is other information contained elsewhere in the NT scriptures that can't be ignored, that supplements and clarifies the 4 gospels which were a record of events of Christ's life, work, etc, recording events up to the point of his death.

 

[DJT_47]

[Act 8:37 KJV] 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

The eunuch only believed that Jesus is the Son of God....nothing revealed of the cross

[Luk 12:8 KJV] 8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:

As far as confession,,,,,,Israel was commanded this not us in this dispensation

The only time Paul mentioned this was in Romans 10:9 and this was dealing with Israel

The dispensation of the eunuch is the same as ours: after the death of Christ. And was the eunuch a Jew that Philip's words and instructions applied to him and not to us?

 

[DJT_47]

[Act 2:36 KJV] 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Israel had to repent of crucifying Jesus and believe He is both Lord and Christ

Israel was 1st to be brought into the fold, followed by the Gentiles. There are not two sets of standards and requirements. The jews on the day of Pentecost, were told how sins are removed which is echoed throughout the NT scriptures. Is there sone other method for us to have sins removed, or become a child of God and a Christian, or be added to the body of Christ.? If so, show me the scriptures that say so!

 

[Doug]

The dispensation of the eunuch is the same as ours: after the death of Christ. And was the eunuch a Jew that Philip's words and instructions applied to him and not to us?

The eunuch was not in our dispensation...he had to only believe that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God as did Israel