The Apostate Holy Laughter Movement

[VictoryinJesus]

The thing I didn't like about the jealousy card was that it seemed to be stating that if you believe the op video is appalling, its because of jealousy. I think its appalling and am in no way jealous of it.

Confused when told drunken is good... then again maybe it is in the destruction of the body of sins. Using the verses of drunk in the Spirit. big questions concerning... 1 Corinthians 11:17-21 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. [18] For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. [19] For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. [20] When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. [21] For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

1 Corinthians 11:29-30 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. [30] For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

so no. Don’t like the videos either. Guess it doesn’t matter though as if it is not of Him then it will and is coming down.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

To any one (all) of us,
Is Benny Hinn (or any other televangelist of your choice) the true "enemy" we are to war against? The Bible says, "No." That book tells us ours is an unseen Spiritual battle against enemies we don't seem to understand. Do we spend more time praying than we do typing against another human being? In fact, do we even spend ANY time praying for those we rail against in our posts?

“Unseen” exactly.

 

[FollowHim]

The thing I didn't like about the jealousy card was that it seemed to be stating that if you believe the op video is appalling, its because of jealousy. I think its appalling and am in no way jealous of it.

I wish to know Jesus more, to have His life embedded in my own, to understand His word and actions to be mine as I walk on my way.
Paul said he followed Jesus's example and we should follow Pauls.

Somehow laughing, shaking, falling over is actually from those who have lost the plot.
What I have discovered is talking about the heart and truth that is within seems to stir up those who want these unusual manifestations while these hard hearted folk do not want to see God truly transforming them, and even having to love sinners is just a step too far.

That has created a tension in theology, where asking do they know Jesus at all comes into question.
On one forum a very dismissive contributor over months was challenged about Christ calling us too embrace suffering, and through suffering to know His grace and love for all.

For them Jesus was a God of love and grace, who only encouraged an easy road. Once they begun to learn love overcoming hard situations, that strength through death was part of Christ, they confessed they no longer knew if they knew Jesus at all.

What people are and what they think is an eternal reality takes time to really show. If the price cannot be shown, what the cross means has not taken hold. Thankfully it is not my place to know where folk are, just to walk and share, and that is a relief, Thank you Jesus, Amen.

 

[Enow]

Do you suppose in all my years of serving God and studying the Bible I have never confronted every one of your questions and verses myself or have others lift them up against me as you have? I have spent time in study, but more importantly I have dropped myself to that lowest room and let the Master lift me up if He wanted to do so. I still do regularly. AT does not work coming from a man not in the Spirit. You want me to do for you with each of your questions, doubts, denials, verses as I did for others before? Why?

Consider Abraham's conversation with the rich man here:

"Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." Luke 16:29-31

The rich man presumed he could tell Abraham how it would work. We see how Abraham responded. One has risen from the dead but instead of going to Him, you still you insist on going your way alone by your reasoning alone. You and Job and the rich man, and now, yes, One has risen from the dead, even Jesus:

"And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him." Mark 9:7

Are you also rich in your knowledge and wisdom equal to or even above that of God that you would presume to supersede what others say they have received from God? I don't insist I am right for such judgment belongs to God, but I believe that I am. Why must you press onward toward what...? Truth? Do you really love it or have you lost it? Paul [II Thess 2:10] and John [Rev 2:4] confirmed what Jesus proclaimed:

"For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." Matt 13:12-15

If you deflect to scripture to justify experience or the phenomenon over the scripture that reproves it as not of Him, then that is you not wanting to prove the experience or the phenomenon by the scripture. You are still not testing the spirits by our faith in Jesus Christ and the Word of God.

 

[Enow]

So said the flesh of man!

Correctly you speak of any people who attempt in their own courage and strength as they have done in establishing their own black and white rules, using the NT writings as a crutch in imitation of the mosaic law which never alone worked for Israel. Too many people still don't understand and still fight unwinnable spiritual battles by means of their own physical courage and strength instead of by the Spirit of God in them:

"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." Rom 8:13-14

You are not helping your case at all when you don't show how God helps you to not believe every spirit but test the spirits to see if it is of Him or not.

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.... 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

If you believe every spirit that falls on you to be the Holy Spirit after a sign when scripture testify He is in you since your salvation, you are not proving you have applied 1 John 4:1,4 in testing the spirits to see if they are of God or not.

 

[amadeus]

Was it not done by the scripture? That is the only way we can grow in our relationship with the Lord.

2 Timothy 3:3 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

The only way we can grow in our relationship with the Lord is with scripture? With no connection to God Himself? What is the purpose of the Holy Spirit? Is not the Holy Spirit in us the "ears to hear" and the "eyes to see" of which Jesus speaks? Wouldn't you agree that to grow closer to Him we need to see and hear Him better? Yet, you left the Holy Spirit out of it, speaking only of the scripture. Have you never met an atheist who knew the scriptures very well and remained solidly against God?

Nothing wrong with your quotation, but why apply it to me? How evil am I? As evil as everyone around me? But... then how evil are you? I would not call you evil simply for disagreeing. Your insertion of that verse in that way implied to me that that was what you thought. I do disagree with you on things, but there have been few men over the years with whom I did not disagree on something. Some of them have been my friends.

Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

You left out verse 11 which lists those God has given to us for the perfecting of the saints and so forth according to your cited verses. Are you an apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor or teacher sent by God to me or to any of the other ones reading your posts? Did He anoint you specifically to that job or did you take it upon yourself because you thought you knew the Word of God? Are you called by God to teach Amadeus or anyone else you could name on this forum? Your vision and knowledge of the things of God say nothing to my situation. You generalize as if all listeners/readers here were your disciples and you were the one anointed by God to teach. Have you heard the voice of God tell you to do that?

 

[amadeus]

On this issue, my understanding is absolute Amadeus. Do i sound arrogant or audacious?

You undoubtedly sound like yourself. How much like Jesus are you? How good is your vision? Are you close to the end of your course?

This is elementary, even a novice can tell the difference. @charity put it very well, 'it's obscene!'.
We are offended by it, and we find the other people on this thread, like yourself, who are too naive or complacent to denounce it, to be sounding extremely incompetent and foolish, and verging on heretical.

Am I obscene or is what I post or fail to post obscene?

One Internet definition says:

obscene: offensive to moral principles; repugnant.

Offensive to whose moral principles? Repugnant to whom?

"Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?" John 6:60-61

What about a "time to keep silence and a time to speak"? [Ecc 3:7] Who but God knows what time it is for each instance and for each situation? So then should we keep silence or speak other than when God gives us the Word? Are you listening to Him and hearing His voice all of the time, or is it only when you are reading the Bible or when you have memorized a verse that you hear His voice? Is that what God said about it?

Did God call laughter obscene? Did He say judge for yourselves what is obscene using man's definitions or what you feel is right and continue from there?

What is the purpose of the Holy Spirit in us? How about, eyes and ears and voice? Or do you also use as evidence for condemning people what you read in books, see on videos, or hear from other men?

 

[Enow]

The only way we can grow in our relationship with the Lord is with scripture? With no connection to God Himself? What is the purpose of the Holy Spirit? Is not the Holy Spirit in us the "ears to hear" and the "eyes to see" of which Jesus speaks? Wouldn't you agree that to grow closer to Him we need to see and hear Him better? Yet, you left the Holy Spirit out of it, speaking only of the scripture. Have you never met an atheist who knew the scriptures very well and remained solidly against God?

The indwelling Holy Spirit would have you to keep going to the Son, the Bridegroom, at that throne of grace to worship, pray, and have fellowship with the Father & the Son. It is only seducing sprits and the spirit of the antichrist that would have you depart from relating to God the Father thru the Son to chasing after them for a sign.

Psalm 27:7 Hear, O Lord, when I cry with my voice: have mercy also upon me, and answer me. 8 When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, Lord, will I seek. 9 Hide not thy face far from me; put not thy servant away in anger: thou hast been my help; leave me not, neither forsake me, O God of my salvation.

So are you seeking His face in worship as the indwelling Holy Spirit is leading you to do, or is the "Spirit" the focus? If the preacher points you to go to the Son for living that reconciled relationship with God the Father, would you go to the preacher instead and focus on the preacher? Then do what the Holy Spirit is leading you to do as scripture does to & go to the Son.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Nothing wrong with your quotation, but why apply it to me? How evil am I? As evil as everyone around me? But... then how evil are you? I would not call you evil simply for but disagreeing. Your insertion of that verse in that way implied to me that that was what you thought. I do disagree with you on things, but there have been few men over the years with whom I did not disagree on something. Some of them have been my friends.

The scripture was to show how evil men will get worse and worse but you, are to continue in the scripture to avoid that.

You left out verse 11 which lists those God has given to us for the perfecting of the saints and so forth according to your cited verses. Are you an apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor or teacher sent by God to me or to any of the other ones reading your posts? Did He anointing you specifically to that job or did you take it upon yourself because you thought you knew the Word of God? Are you called by God to teach Amadeus or anyone else you could name on this forum? Your vision and knowledge of the things of God say nothing to my situation. You generalize as if all listeners/readers here were your disciples and you were the one anointed by God to teach. Have you heard the voice of God tell you to do that?

Your problem is you are pointing to the spirits coming into the worship place when the anointing in you is pointing you to go to the Son to avoid seducing spirits and spirits of the antichrists. See?

 

[amadeus]

Just to be clear on what you are doing so readers can understand; you do not like how we are reproving what you are involved in as a work of darkness by the scripture and so you want us to stop judging you for what you are involved in. That is not a defense nor an answer you should be giving.

You should be addressing the scripture by rightly dividing the word of truth to prove you are not involved in a work of darkness that the scripture reproves it as such, but you can't do that.

And you cannot win an argument by silencing those in this discussion that reprove that movement as not of Him.

John 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

I am not trying to win an argument. My only defense is to strive to stand where Jesus stood.

Being completely innocent when Pilate asked him a question Jesus remained silent understanding that in the eyes of His accusers he was presumed guilty and innocence was an unacceptable outcome. Because he wanted God's will he let them do what they wanted and they did. Are you doing what you want rather than seeking God's will and walking with Him?

You travel along your own highway using the letter of scripture to support your beliefs instead of seeking God's Truth, which is Not the letter. You have determined what the traffic laws are with you functioning both as both traffic cop and traffic court judge. The right of the accused to remain silent has been revoked. To remain silent is to be found guilty as charged!

How about trying out the highway of holiness? God is really an equal opportunity God and along His highway He writes His Word on any willing heart. Enforcement when needed always is His alone.

 

[amadeus]

Ever considered that believers that proclaim all these wonderful works in His name can still be in iniquity? Jesus points it out by how they fall. That is how we can know when one is in iniquity.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

If you already know the result, then why bother waiting on the Lord? You may cast the first stone yourself and never mind the admonishment of Jesus in that regard!

 

[amadeus]

If you deflect to scripture to justify experience or the phenomenon over the scripture that reproves it as not of Him, then that is you not wanting to prove the experience or the phenomenon by the scripture. You are still not testing the spirits by our faith in Jesus Christ and the Word of God.

And God's judgment is final!

"Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven." Matt 6:10

 

[Enow]

I am not trying to win an argument. My only defense is to strive to stand where Jesus stood.

Being completely innocent when Pilate asked him a question Jesus remained silent understanding that in the eyes of His accusers he was presumed guilty and innocence was an unacceptable outcome. Because he wanted God's will he let them do what they wanted and they did. Are you doing what you want rather than seeking God's will and walking with Him?

You travel along your own highway using the letter of scripture to support your beliefs instead of seeking God's Truth, which is Not the letter. You have determined what the traffic laws are with you functioning both as both traffic cop and traffic court judge. The right of the accused to remain silent has been revoked. To remain silent is to be found guilty as charged!

How about trying out the highway of holiness? God is really an equal opportunity God and along His highway He writes His Word on any willing heart. Enforcement when needed always is His alone.

Silence in response to what you are involved in that has been exposed as a work of darkness by the scripture is not what Jesus did.

 

[Enow]

If you already know the result, then why bother waiting on the Lord? You may cast the first stone yourself and never mind the admonishment of Jesus in that regard!

I quoted scripture where Jesus had uttered judgment and why because believers do not heed His words for why they fall, regardless of all the wonderful works of God they proclaim.

It is your choice not to heed His words in favor of supernatural phenomenon that you fall down by.

 

[amadeus]

You are not helping your case at all when you don't show how God helps you to not believe every spirit but test the spirits to see if it is of Him or not.

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.... 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

If you believe every spirit that falls on you to be the Holy Spirit after a sign when scripture testify He is in you since your salvation, you are not proving you have applied 1 John 4:1,4 in testing the spirits to see if they are of God or not.

My case, is it? Does it have a case number in your courtroom? Did you leave a seat for God so He can at least observe as you usurp His authority to render judgment? Did you carefully check your own eye first for any foreign particles?

Whether I do, or if I do, how I do, try spirits is not your business. It is between me and God. Who gave you the authority to insert yourself into anyone else's business?

 

[Enow]

And God's judgment is final!

"Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven." Matt 6:10

Obviously, you cannot defend your experience of that phenomenon against scripture when it exposes it as a work of darkness for why His words reproves it as not of Him for believers NOT to seek after.

1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Proverbs 25:26 A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. 27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. 28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

 

[Enow]

My case, is it? Does it have a case number in your courtroom? Did you leave a seat for God so He can at least observe as you usurp His authority to render judgment? Did you carefully check your own eye first for any foreign particles?

Still deflecting, brother? Still avoiding the issue? I will not be intimidated into silence, brother. Just agree to disagree and be done with the thread.

Whether I do, or if I do, how I do, try spirits is not your business. It is between me and God. Who gave you the authority to insert yourself into anyone else's business?

Why not argue with the apostle John then for telling you not to believe every spirit but test them?

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

 

[amadeus]

The indwelling Holy Spirit would have you to keep going to the Son, the Bridegroom, at that throne of grace to worship, pray, and have fellowship with the Father & the Son. It is only seducing sprits and the spirit of the antichrist that would have you depart from relating to God the Father thru the Son to chasing after them for a sign.

Psalm 27:7 Hear, O Lord, when I cry with my voice: have mercy also upon me, and answer me. 8 When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, Lord, will I seek. 9 Hide not thy face far from me; put not thy servant away in anger: thou hast been my help; leave me not, neither forsake me, O God of my salvation.

So are you seeking His face in worship as the indwelling Holy Spirit is leading you to do, or is the "Spirit" the focus? If the preacher points you to go to the Son for living that reconciled relationship with God the Father, would you go to the preacher instead and focus on the preacher? Then do what the Holy Spirit is leading you to do as scripture does to & go to the Son.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.



The scripture was to show how evil men will get worse and worse but you, are to continue in the scripture to avoid that.



Your problem is you are pointing to the spirits coming into the worship place when the anointing in you is pointing you to go to the Son to avoid seducing spirits and spirits of the antichrists. See?

I did not start this thread with the idea of condemning someone who I have never met based on what to me looked like something evil according to my own judgement!

Yes, God wants us to seek His face but it is not to found in videos about what we consider questionable practices. Rather we are to follow the instructions of Jesus via the Holy Spirit:

"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." Matt 6:33

He only tells us to do two things first there. If those things are not first, we are wrong already no matter what else we are or are not doing.

 

[DNB]

I believe he was judging that laughter but that it was not the only issue. How they lived in unrepentant sinful lifestyle while all of this is being promoted is to be judged as well.

I/m not referring to her disbelief that God will grant them a child. Afterwards, when she delivered, she made the laughing remark i.e. rejoice.

Genesis 21:5-7
Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him. 6Then Sarah said, “God has made me laugh, and everyone who hears of this will laugh with me.” 7She added, “Who would have told Abraham that Sarah would nurse children? Yet I have borne him a son in his old age.”

 

[amadeus]

Silence in response to what you are involved in that has been exposed as a work of darkness by the scripture is not what Jesus did.

I am my friend involved in seeking first the kingdom and God and His righteousness. Those are my first priorities. All the rest as God requires will then be added as He sees fit, not as I or you might choose. Stay out of God's business and mine!

 

[amadeus]

Obviously, you cannot defend your experience of that phenomenon against scripture when it exposes it as a work of darkness for why His words reproves it as not of Him for believers NOT to seek after.

1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Proverbs 25:26 A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. 27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. 28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

I guess you enjoy this kind of thing! Carry on if that is your choice, but don't be surprised!