The Apostate Holy Laughter Movement

[Willie T]

At my age. my willie is now unemployed. :)

 

[marksman]

I don't doubt some spirit descended but it wasn't GOD's.
Hagin hissed like a snake, laughed like a hyena and had people acting like dogs and apes...that's kinda Satanic.

One. How do you know? You were not there?

Two. Hagin did not hiss like a snake. it is the product of your over-inflated imagination.

Three. A hyena does not laugh. They bark or growl.

Four. Dogs and apes do not laugh. They bark or growl.

Five. it is not satanic as that is how God makes animals sound.

 

[marksman]

If you visit one of these churches where these manifestations are occurring, observe the pastor and elders. You will notice that they will not be joining in with the manifestations. That has to tell you something. You can see this in the OP's video. Shows one man out of control, but his companions very much in control. So, who is manipulating and who is the manipulated?

This is in total contrast to the experience of Brownlow North, a gospel preacher in the late 19th or early 20th Century. He was to preach on the grace of God one Sunday, and he got up and said, "I will be preaching this morning on the grace of God". He then was so overwhelmed by the grace of God for him, that he choked up and could not preach, and sat down and wept.

The trouble with all those who believe this or believe that about anything supernatural is that they are not comfortable with a God that does not occupy their box of tricks. If he dares to try and get out, Holy Moly!!! God is off his rocker and must be contained or we will all be off the planet. In other words, they want God to be what they want him to be.

They are the sort of people where the scripture has to fall in line with their theology rather than their theology falling in line with scripture.

I feel very blessed to have been exposed to all sorts of expressions of Christianity and have been able to sort out the sheep from the goats. It has been a fascinating journey but one that I would not change because for the most, I have met some lovely people all around the world and I found that the best way to determine what the truth is to expose yourself to that which is not the truth.

I spent a year in a church that was firing on all cylinders, supposedly and unless one looked closely, could not fault. However, a few events took place that seemed off colour and when I put two and two together I realised it was a cult. I beat a hasty retreat. They did and said all the right things but it was no doubt a cult.

Had I not attended I would have never known and just looked in from the outside and seen a thriving church.

The other thing is that when your whole approach and concern is what is wrong rather than what is right, you tend to overinflate your knowledge and authority of the subject matter and you are not open to other people's views and experiences. In other words, you become dogmatic and usually dogmatically wrong.

Unfortunately, this sort of happenings open the door wide to armchair critics, people who have not been exposed to any of the things they are criticising, it is all hearsay and perceived deception, totally without any concrete evidence.

For example, I think that American Football is a stupid game. I have never been to one. There are Americans who go to one every week and think it is a wonderful game. Who do you believe? Them or me. If you believe me you are a moron because you are believing an armchair critic who has no experience of the game. All I can offer you is my opinion. The person who attends a game every week can offer real live facts. Maybe biased but facts none the less.

In the early 1900s, a revival took place in Wales, UK and the leading light was Rees Howells. When I was at Bible College, I did a study of revivals and the Welsh revival was one of the most dynamic. Despite this, there are people who said it was false and demon inspired. None of the critics knows as they had not been born. But, according to them, their opinion is the valid one and overruled the views of people who had been there and wrote books about it all of which I read.

The blatant criticism of people who are armchair critics and who believe their view is the definitive truth is very sad. I only hope that people who read their views are very quick to realise it is not backed up with evidence and therefore useless. The fact is, perception is not fact.

 

[Enow]

You could have fooled me. You have spent all your time on here rubbishing anything supernatural and have tried to convince everyone that you are right and everyone else is wrong. That is what I would consider as trying to wake people up. Whereas your constant criticism had almost sent us to sleep and get responses of "Oh no, not him again trying to rubbish what the Holy Spirit is doing."

Face facts, you have a one set mind. If it is supernatural it is not of God. if it's not supernatural then it is of God. if you want to serve a God that is dead, be my guest. It does not bother me one little bit. What does bother me is that you set yourself up as some sort of authority on the subject but you do not have the ability to see that what you say in your hypercriticism has fallen on deaf ears as we know different through teaching and experience but you are too stupid to realise this so you keep on pontificating in the hope we are all going to say "woe is me for I am undone because I believe that God is a God of miracles and the supernatural but in fact, I should ditch this idea as enow knows more than I do and has a hotline on truth from God so he can't be wrong. : Seen any pigs flying lately?

Whenever you answer the question about any incident when you discerned that it was not the Holy Spirit, that would at least tells me that you are doing what the apostle John told you to do in 1 John 4:1-6 and that is not to believe every spirit, but test them.

As it is, you come off as believing every spirit that comes over believers as being of God, thus proving to me that you are not testing the spirits at all because the Holy Spirit would not be coming over those believers later in life when He has been in them since salvation at the calling of the gospel.

So do think about that point of contention.

 

[Nancy]

Love it!

 

[marksman]

Whenever you answer the question about any incident when you discerned that it was not the Holy Spirit, that would at least tells me that you are doing what the apostle John told you to do in 1 John 4:1-6 and that is not to believe every spirit, but test them.

As it is, you come off as believing every spirit that comes over believers as being of God, thus proving to me that you are not testing the spirits at all because the Holy Spirit would not be coming over those believers later in life when He has been in them since salvation at the calling of the gospel.

So do think about that point of contention.

Why? Your hypocritical spirit does not allow you to see any good in anything unless it is of your making. You are so hypocritical that you are totally unable to see what people say because you have a one-track mind. As I said, if it is supernatural it is of Satan, if it is not supernatural, it is of God. That just about sums you up.

And you are so blind to the facts that you tell me something that I have done which I have told you I don't do which suggests to me that you have made up your mind even before you write.

As for the totally stupid remark about the Holy Spirit not coming over people later in life when he has been in them since salvation, is so ridiculous I cannot believe someone actually wrote that.

In the meeting I was in where the Holy Spirit fell on us 12,000 people, from the age of three to 93, according to you the Holy Spirit had to go round the room and say I have to miss that one because he is 60 years old. I have to miss that one because he is 72. I have to miss that one because he has been Christian for 40 years. I have to miss that one because he wasn't saved last week.

Surely you must see the stupidity of your comments and how whacky they are. If you can't, then I suggest you go and plant yourself on Christian boards or otherwise that specialises in weird and whacky comments by people who are as dead as a dodo when it comes to the supernatural.

 

[Enow]

Why?

All I see is that you refuse to follow the scripture in testing the spirits as your way of saying you agree to disagree with me.

 

[marksman]

All I see is that you refuse to follow the scripture in testing the spirits as your way of saying you agree to disagree with me.

All you see is what you don't see. And all I see is that you avoid answering questions that leave you up the creek without a paddle, big time.

I wonder why? No, I don't. Basically it is the ploy of those who don't know what they are talking about but cannot admit to the fact because they are too proud.