The absurdity of Pretrib logic

[WPM]

You have not proven that the rapture could not - possibly, might, - happen before the 7 year 70th week begins.

Not true! Daniel 9 is long-fulfilled. You cannot even grasp the timing or understand the detail of the prophecy.

Daniel 9:24 predicts, “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to (1) finish the transgression, and to (2) make an end of sins, and to (3) make reconciliation for iniquity, and to (4) bring in everlasting righteousness, and to (5) seal up the vision and prophecy, and to (6) anoint the most Holy” (Daniel 9:24).

It is these six things alone that are clearly and deliberately predicted (in Daniel 9) to occur within the 70 weeks – thus “seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to…” Therefore, for one to apply this plain Messianic prophecy to anti-Christ (as Pretribbers do) could justifiably warrant the unenviable charge of peddling with full-blown apostasy. After all, applying something to anti-Christ, which evidently relates alone to the Savior, is gross error.

All these predictions were perfectly fulfilled in the person of Christ and in His wonderful earthly ministry. He spent 3 ½ years fulfilling every expectation that the Father demanded, from His arrival on the public scene (and His heavenly vindication from the Father after He was baptised) to His atoning death and His victorious resurrection for the grave. All of these predictions have been met in one man – the man Christ Jesus.

How could anti-Christ or any other mere mortal fulfil all or even one of these awesome Divine demands, such an idea is total blasphemy.

Daniel 9:25-26a says, “Know therefore and understand, that from (1) the going forth of the commandment to (2) restore and to build Jerusalem unto (3) the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself.”

In the previous verse we have the total duration described as 70 weeks or 490 years. In verse 25 these 70 weeks are split into 3 parts, albeit the last week is still not yet specifically described:

7 = 49 yrs
62 = 434 yrs
1 = 7 yrs

Whilst, the last week is still not fully described we will look at the overall outline at this juncture for a blueprint.

(1) The first part (7 weeks) relates to the rebuilding of Jerusalem. The angel said of the first aspect relating to the rebuilding of Jerusalem, in the first seven weeks, “the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.”
(2) The second part (62 weeks) takes up to the beginning of Christ’s earthly ministry.
(3) The third part (1 week) commences with the start of Christ’s earthly ministry and sees the crucifixion half way through it (3 ½ yrs). The other 3 ½ yrs saw the Church receive its baptism of fire at Pentecost and enter into the fulfilment of advancing the Gospel – the nations now being open to the Gospel, unlike before.

The question the futurists must answer is, is there any division between the 7 weeks and the 62 weeks?

The answer, of course, is a categorical NO!

Then, what scriptural warrant is there for, in unprecedented manner, decapitating this harmonious cohesive Messianic prophecy, aimlessly and indefinitely projecting the final week 2000 years+ into the unknown to a supposed end-time 7 year period, when it was perfectly fulfilled in the life and time of our Lord’s ministry, especially when there is absolutely NO corroborated in the New Testament for this 70th week gap-theory. As we have already stated, probably, the most distasteful aspect of this corrupt teaching is how they corruptly attribute it to anti-Christ at the end when it explicitly relates to Christ and His atonement 2000 years ago? To be honest, with this form of hermeneutics you could potentially corrupt any Old Testament passage and apply it to whatever time-period or matter one wishes.

The text does not in any way demand a gap; the Futurists unilaterally (without any scriptural warrant and for his own reason) chooses to insert one there in order to support his unsound theology. Those who do or condone such are unquestionably gap-theorists.

The text does demand – “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to (1) finish the transgression, and to (2) make an end of sins, and to (3) make reconciliation for iniquity, and to (4) bring in everlasting righteousness, and to (5) seal up the vision and prophecy, and to (6) anoint the most Holy” (Daniel 9:24).

These 6 things elements must therefore be fulfilled (1) in Messiah, and (2) must come mid-way through the final week. The desolation is not within the 70 weeks, it is the visible result of the fulfilment of numbers 1-6 in the midst of the week i.e. the rendering of the temple’s former use obsolete.

What is the greater abomination, rejecting the once all-sufficient sacrifice of Calvary, as the Jews evidently did (and are doing), or abolishing or rejecting any idolatrous animal sacrifices in an imaginary temple? The Pretrib scenario is fanciful anyway as the temple has been (and is being) built – Christ’s body.

The overspreading of abominations” was the rebellious idolatrous continuing of the temple sacrifices by the Jews after they were abolished at Calvary. And despite God allowing them time to repent in the intervening 40-year period (AD 30-AD 70), they stubbornly rebelled. The blasphemous continuing of the old order – the abolished (imperfect) sacrifices – occasioned the destruction of the temple – 40 being a perfect probationary period. When the practising of the temple sacrifices had reached their allotted time-span, God destroyed them and the temple.

 

[WPM]

@WPM started this thread - titling it "the absurdity of Pre-trib logic".

So I think he has the responsibility to prove that the rapture could not - possibly, might, - happen before the 7 year 70th week begins.

I don't disagree with you that @WPM and I are not even remotely on the same page - regarding many other issues, not just the timing of the rapture.

What supposed future anointed one will come to:

(1) "finish the transgression"?
(2) "make an end of sins"?
(3) "make reconciliation for iniquity"?
(4) "bring in everlasting righteousness"?
(5) "seal up the vision and prophecy"?
(6) "anoint the most Holy”?

And exactly in what way will this be accomplished? Please answer this last question individually for points 1-6.

 

[WPM]

I do not agree with this statement, and I believe there will be a pretrib rapture.

Noah is sealed in the ark 6 days before the flood. I believe that means that the 70th week will be started before the Church is raptured. I do not think that the seals will be opened before the Church is in heaven as we can see in Revelation 5.

Where does it say "they were sealed in by God 6 days before the flood"? Once again you do not provide one single quote to support your claim. That is becoming a pattern with you, and one that is typical of engaging with Pretribbers. Again, where does it say "they were sealed in by God 6 days before the flood"? Give us hard Scripture.

Genesis doesn't say he entered the ark 6 or 7 days prior. It shows he received the instruction then. Let us analyze this.

Genesis 7:4-19

1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
5 And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.
6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.
7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.
8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

According to this, "the selfsame day" Noah entered the ark was expressly "after seven days." It was then "that the waters of the flood were upon the earth."

Jesus said in Luke 17:26-30, “as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”

Jesus words support an Amil position and forbid Pretrib. They show what that "self-same day" was - "the day" of destruction, thus the 7th day. Christ speaks of “the days of Noe” (plural), speaking of the days that preceded the destruction of all the wicked. He then spoke of “the day” (singular), speaking of the actual day when the wicked were wholesale wiped out. This contrast between “the days” and “day” is common in Scripture and is presented in order that we can distinguish between “the lasts days” of time and “the last day” of time, that ushers in the end. The actual day that Noah entered into the ark "the flood came, and took them all away." It was therefore an individual day that God closed the door of the Ark and by doing so damned all those that were left behind. The same will occur when our ark – Christ – arrives at the second coming.

Anyway, where did Jesus say that Noah being seven days in the ark (which did not even happen) represents seven days of tribulation at the end? Nowhere! Is there anywhere that says it was seven days of tribulation for the wicked outside the ark before the flood? This exposes the faulty hermeneutics of Pretrib. This is where their force type falls apart. This is theological gerrymandering. Christ's exclusive focus is upon the actual day that Noah entered the ark and the judgment fell right and destroyed all the wicked. There is no rebuttal to that!

 

[Douggg]

Not true! Daniel 9 is long-fulfilled. You cannot even grasp the timing or understand the detail of the prophecy.

Daniel 9:24 predicts, “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to (1) finish the transgression, and to (2) make an end of sins, and to (3) make reconciliation for iniquity, and to (4) bring in everlasting righteousness, and to (5) seal up the vision and prophecy, and to (6) anoint the most Holy” (Daniel 9:24).

(5) seal up the vision and prophecy,

Before getting to Daniel 9:24, it is important to note what vision would be completed within the 70 weeks. We start with verse 21.

21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

When Daniel first encountered Gabriel, it was in Daniel 8, which Gabriel informed Daniel that the vision he had about the little horn person is time of the end. Daniel 8:17. The little horn person will stop the daily sacrifice, at the time of end. Daniel 8:11-13.

Daniel, in Daniel 8:27, said he didn't understand it. So in Daniel 9:22, Gabriel says he is going to help Daniel understand that vision.

22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

Then in Daniel 9:23, Gabriel reaffirms "consider the vision", i.e. the time of the end vision about the little horn person stopping the daily sacrifice.

23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

"understand the matter", Gabriel was also going enlighten Daniel that since the time of Babylonian captivity was about up, what lay ahead for his people, the Jews, and Jerusalem.

So we get to Daniel 9:24. The part about "to seal up the vision and prophecy", it is talking about the time of the end vision of the little horn person who will stop the daily sacrifice. And the little horn person will, in the end, attempt to stand up against the Prince of prince - Jesus. Daniel 8:25, and will be broken, but not by human hand, i.e. Jesus is going to break him.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

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So when we get to the 70th week, that 7 years is time of the end. The 2300 days about the little horn person is the last 2300 days of that 7 years. The 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9, following the Gog/Magog event is the same 7 years of the 70th week of Daniel 9. So there is multiple validations in scripture that the 70th week is still forthcoming.

 

[WPM]

(5) seal up the vision and prophecy,

Before getting to Daniel 9:24, it is important to note what vision would be completed within the 70 weeks. We start with verse 21.

21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

When Daniel first encountered Gabriel, it was in Daniel 8, which Gabriel informed Daniel that the vision he had about the little horn person is time of the end. Daniel 8:17. The little horn person will stop the daily sacrifice, at the time of end. Daniel 8:11-13.

Daniel, in Daniel 8:27, said he didn't understand it. So in Daniel 9:22, Gabriel says he is going to help Daniel understand that vision.

22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

Then in Daniel 9:23, Gabriel reaffirms "consider the vision", i.e. the time of the end vision about the little horn person stopping the daily sacrifice.

23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

"understand the matter", Gabriel was also going enlighten Daniel that since the time of Babylonian captivity was about up, what lay ahead for his people, the Jews, and Jerusalem.

So we get to Daniel 9:24. The part about "to seal up the vision and prophecy", it is talking about the time of the end vision of the little horn person who will stop the daily sacrifice. And the little horn person will, in the end, attempt to stand up against the Prince of prince - Jesus. Daniel 8:25, and will be broken, but not by human hand, i.e. Jesus is going to break him.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

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So when we get to the 70th week, that 7 years is time of the end. The 2300 days about the little horn person is the last 2300 days of that 7 years. The 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9, following the Gog/Magog event is the same 7 years of the 70th week of Daniel 9. So there is multiple validations in scripture that the 70th week is still forthcoming.

You did not even address my argument. You just diverted into Pretrib talking points. The reality is: there are no grounds in this prophecy to split it up. It is a harmonious unitary prophecy.

 

[Douggg]

You did not even address my argument.

Your argument does not address the vision being referred to in verses 21.22. 23, 24.

 

[WPM]

Your argument does not address the vision being referred to in verses 21.22. 23, 24.

Are you never convicted when you tell lies? Address my post and stop continually avoiding.

So far, you have admitted that you have no rapture passage in Ezekiel 39, Daniel 9 and Revelation. This shows that your whole doctrine is an elaborate fabrication.

 

[The Light]

Where does it say "they were sealed in by God 6 days before the flood"? Once again you do not provide one single quote to support your claim. That is becoming a pattern with you, and one that is typical of engaging with Pretribbers. Again, where does it say "they were sealed in by God 6 days before the flood"? Give us hard Scripture.

Genesis doesn't say he entered the ark 6 or 7 days prior. It shows he received the instruction then. Let us analyze this.

Genesis 7:4-19

1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
5 And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.
6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.
7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.
8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

According to this, "the selfsame day" Noah entered the ark was expressly "after seven days." It was then "that the waters of the flood were upon the earth."

Jesus said in Luke 17:26-30, “as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”

Jesus words support an Amil position and forbid Pretrib. They show what that "self-same day" was - "the day" of destruction, thus the 7th day. Christ speaks of “the days of Noe” (plural), speaking of the days that preceded the destruction of all the wicked. He then spoke of “the day” (singular), speaking of the actual day when the wicked were wholesale wiped out. This contrast between “the days” and “day” is common in Scripture and is presented in order that we can distinguish between “the lasts days” of time and “the last day” of time, that ushers in the end. The actual day that Noah entered into the ark "the flood came, and took them all away." It was therefore an individual day that God closed the door of the Ark and by doing so damned all those that were left behind. The same will occur when our ark – Christ – arrives at the second coming.

Anyway, where did Jesus say that Noah being seven days in the ark (which did not even happen) represents seven days of tribulation at the end? Nowhere! Is there anywhere that says it was seven days of tribulation for the wicked outside the ark before the flood? This exposes the faulty hermeneutics of Pretrib. This is where their force type falls apart. This is theological gerrymandering. Christ's exclusive focus is upon the actual day that Noah entered the ark and the judgment fell right and destroyed all the wicked. There is no rebuttal to that!

No matter what the scripture says it is not going to change doctrine because your doctrine is not based on scripture.

Genesis 7
And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

Genesis 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

Your claims are left wanting. Noah, his family and all the animals were commanded to enter the ark on day one. They entered as commanded. All of them entered on the selfsame day and were shut in the ark by God at the end of day one.

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

 

[Douggg]

Address my post and stop continually avoiding.

Your post lacks the very critical issue of the identification of the vision in the text of verses 21, 22, 23, 24.

 

[WPM]

No matter what the scripture says it is not going to change doctrine because your doctrine is not based on scripture.

Genesis 7
And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

Genesis 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

Your claims are left wanting. Noah, his family and all the animals were commanded to enter the ark on day one. They entered as commanded. All of them entered on the selfsame day and were shut in the ark by God at the end of day one.

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

No. They entered on the day of the flood came. Why do you avoid what Genesis and Jesus says? This is exactly what Pre-trib produces. It causes people to twist every passage in Scripture.

 

[Douggg]

No matter what the scripture says it is not going to change doctrine because your doctrine is not based on scripture.

Genesis 7
And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

Genesis 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

Your claims are left wanting. Noah, his family and all the animals were commanded to enter the ark on day one. They entered as commanded. All of them entered on the selfsame day and were shut in the ark by God at the end of day one.

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

It appears as though that you are right, sort of. But wrong on saying that Noah and his family and the animals were shut in the ark after one day.

Beginning 7 days before the flood begin, Noah started rounding up animals.

Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

That gathering appears to have lasted one week, and when it was finished, with Noah and his family, and all the animals in the ark, God closed the door on the ark and the flood began right away.

 

[No Pre-TB]

I have heard that argument countless times. Contrary to that argument....

It isn’t an argument. The Bible says it.

26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off

What does “after” mean to you?

; Adjective
Transliteration: achar
Phonetic Spelling: (akh-ar')
Definition: the hind or following part

By putting the word “after” in the text, it makes it impossible he died during the 69 weeks. Secondly, it says:

Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:

It shows that till Messiah comes, there will be 69 weeks (7 + 62=69). Then, after 69 weeks (now we are in the 70th) he dies. If the text stated a different word, we’d have a different argument.

If I said, I’m building a house in 100 weeks. In 3 weeks they break ground. After 100 weeks, I can move in. Do I move in in the 100th week or the 101st? This isn’t difficult

As Barnes says,
The careful student of this prophecy, therefore, would anticipate that the Messiah would appear at the close of the sixty-two weeks, and that he would continue during a part, at least, of the remaining one week before he would be cut off.

 

[Douggg]

It shows that till Messiah comes, there will be 69 weeks (7 + 62=69). Then, after 69 weeks (now we are in the 70th) he dies.

Jesus arrived in Jerusalem, hailed as the messiah. 4 days later, He was crucified, cutoff.

4 days is what decimal fraction of the next 7 years ?

7 x 360 days/yr = 2520 days. 4 days/2520 days = 0.001587

So 4 days into the 70th week of 7 years that would be .001587 into the final 7 year 70th week. i.e. negligible.

 

[WPM]

Jesus arrived in Jerusalem, hailed as the messiah. 4 days later, He was crucified, cutoff.

4 days is what decimal fraction of the next 7 years ?

7 x 360 days/yr = 2520 days. 4 days/2520 days = 0.001587

So 4 days into the 70th week of 7 years that would be .001587 into the final 7 year 70th week. i.e. negligible.

It is so hard to take your posts serious when you twist so many scriptural statements to support your teaching. Messiah did not begin his earthly ministry with his triumphant ride into Jerusalem. He began it wet with His baptism 3 1/2 years earlier. This is how erroneous, partial and unobjective Pretrib theology is. It cannot be taken serious.

 

[WPM]

If I said, I’m building a house in 100 weeks. In 3 weeks they break ground. After 100 weeks, I can move in. Do I move in in the 100th week or the 101st? This isn’t difficult

The 101st.

 

[Davidpt]

It appears as though that you are right, sort of. But wrong on saying that Noah and his family and the animals were shut in the ark after one day.

Beginning 7 days before the flood begin, Noah started rounding up animals.

Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

That gathering appears to have lasted one week, and when it was finished, with Noah and his family, and all the animals in the ark, God closed the door on the ark and the flood began right away.

Of course that's the way it happened since it is obviously absurd that 4 men assigned this task of boarding all these animals on the ark could do that within 24 hours or less. Keeping in mind, until everyone is aboard the ark first, the door isn't shut in the meantime. The reason for the 7 days until the flood is to allow plenty of time to board everyone on the ark that is to be on it, which includes who knows how many animals.

 

[The Light]

It appears as though that you are right, sort of. But wrong on saying that Noah and his family and the animals were shut in the ark after one day.

Beginning 7 days before the flood begin, Noah started rounding up animals.

Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

That gathering appears to have lasted one week, and when it was finished, with Noah and his family, and all the animals in the ark, God closed the door on the ark and the flood began right away.

Noah didn't round up any animals. Noah, his family and all the animals entered the ark in the selfsame day. That day was day 1 when God commanded Noah to enter the ark.

Genesis 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

 

[The Light]

Of course that's the way it happened since it is obviously absurd that 4 men assigned this task of boarding all these animals on the ark could do that within 24 hours or less. Keeping in mind, until everyone is aboard the ark first, the door isn't shut in the meantime. The reason for the 7 days until the flood is to allow plenty of time to board everyone on the ark that is to be on it, which includes who knows how many animals.

You might want you read a little closer. They all entered in the selfsame day. That is one day. That day is the day that God told him to enter.

Genesis 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

 

[Davidpt]

Noah didn't round up any animals. Noah, his family and all the animals entered the ark in the selfsame day. That day was day 1 when God commanded Noah to enter the ark.

Genesis 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

Personally, I find this topic interesting and may be worthy of a thread of it's own in order to investigate this further.

 

[Douggg]

Noah didn't round up any animals.

Genesis 6:19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

We don't know if God brought the animals into the near vicinity of the ark or not. But most likely, God drew the animals to the Ark. But Noah was told to bring them into the ark.

Also, Noah was to gather food for his family and the animals...

Genesis 6:21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

It is likely that Noah got help from his family, to accomplish the tasks.

They all entered in the selfsame day. That is one day. That day is the day that God told him to enter.

Genesis 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

You left out verse 12 which clarifies that verse 13 and 14 is saying that the forty days and forty night began the day that Noah and his family and animals were all safely within the ark.

12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.