The absurdity of Pretrib logic

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, Luke 21:34-36 escape is the anytime rapture view. After the rapture, there will be 1335 days between when the AoD is setup until Jesus's return.

Please show where the 1,335 days is alluded to in Luke 21:34-36. I'm not asking for a specific reference to "1335 days", I'm asking you to show where it refers to something that will occur during the 1,335 days or for a duration of 1,335 days.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Mr Avoidance want to claim everyone avoids him.

If you think that you get your crown when you die you are AS USUAL mistaken.

You got nothing. You can't even show your imaginary rapture in Revelation.

Show us the scripture in Revelation that shows anyone in heaven wearing the crown of life. Good luck.

 

[MA2444]

Where does it say the 144,000 are raptured? This is more adding unto Scripture. This sums up every tenet of Pretrib.

You still haven't showed us your Pretrib Rapture in Revelation. That is probably because it is not there.

So your back yo normal again? One day was enough for you, to bite your tongue?!

It is in there, in Daniel, Revealation, Jeremiah and Ezekial. If you dont study the book of Daniel you have no chance of understanding Revelation.

 

[Douggg]

Please show where the 1,335 days is alluded to in Luke 21:34-36. I'm not asking for a specific reference to "1335 days", I'm asking you to show where it refers to something that will occur during the 1,335 days or for a duration of 1,335 days.

verse 35-36 - the escape from the snare of the day of trouble that will come up all them that dwell on the earth.

The day of trouble is the great tribulation that will begin 1335 days before Jesus's return in verse 27. The great tribulation begins with the abomination of desolation setup on the temple mount (from Matthew 24:15-21, Daniel 12:11-12).

There are 1290 days in Daniel 12:11, from when the abomination of desolation is setup.
There are 1335 days in Daniel 12:12, from when the abomination of desolation is setup.

On my chart are both. 1335 days of Great Tribulation, to the day Jesus returns. 1290 days (the Tribulation of those days, Matthew 24:29) to the sign of the Son of Man in heaven (the Revelation 6, sixth seal event). The 45 days in between (color coded blue on the chart), the kings of the earth will gather their armies to make war on Jesus.

 

[CadyandZoe]

The rapture is not the same thing as the second coming.

 

[WPM]

Jesus has come as evidenced by the 24 elders having crowns. The kings and priests in Rev 5 is the Church.

It's pretty simple. The kings and priest out of every kindred and tongue and people an nation are the Church. John tells us so in Rev 1

Obviously, you won't be able grasp it, but any reasonable person looking for the truth can make this simple connection. You are more interested in protecting a fallen doctrine birthed by unbelieving men to be able to grasp the truth.

Rev 5
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Rev 1
4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Revelation 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;


As usual, I don't believe in a 7 year tribulation. I do believe in a 70th week of Daniel.

So, are you going to disclose how long you think the tribulation period is? Or are you so unsure of your doctrine that you are scared to bring it out into the light?

Why do you quote Revelation 7 after Revelation 14 as if they are chronological to each other? Do you see what we see that your beliefs do not add up? So, is Revelation 14 your rapture passage?

It is like getting blood out of a stone getting info from you.

 

[WPM]

So your back yo normal again? One day was enough for you, to bite your tongue?!

It is in there, in Daniel, Revealation, Jeremiah and Ezekial. If you dont study the book of Daniel you have no chance of understanding Revelation.

Yea right! Where?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

verse 35-36 - the escape from the snare of the day of trouble that will come up all them that dwell on the earth.

The day of trouble is the great tribulation that will begin 1335 days before Jesus's return in verse 27. The great tribulation begins with the abomination of desolation setup on the temple mount (from Matthew 24:15-21, Daniel 12:11-12).

There are 1290 days in Daniel 12:11, from when the abomination of desolation is setup.
There are 1335 days in Daniel 12:12, from when the abomination of desolation is setup.

Where does Matthew 24:15-21 say anything about something that is occurring that comes upon all who dwell on the earth? Please show me. Enough of your talk already, Doug. Exegete the scripture for me if you want to be taken seriously. If you don't, then you can just continue to put your own words on the same level of scripture while revealing your extreme arrogance.

On my chart are both. 1335 days of Great Tribulation, to the day Jesus returns. 1290 days (the Tribulation of those days, Matthew 24:29) to the sign of the Son of Man in heaven (the Revelation 6, sixth seal event). The 45 days in between (color coded blue on the chart), the kings of the earth will gather their armies to make war on Jesus.

LOL. Doug....Doug....Doug. Do you think when I tell you I don't look at your charts that I'm just making that up? I. Do. Not. Look. At. Your. Charts. Okay? Accept it. I know you are very prideful about your charts, but they mean nothing to me. Humble yourself and accept that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The rapture is not the same thing as the second coming.

So, if that was the case I would assume that you would say the following verse is about the rapture and not the second coming, right?

2 Thessalonians 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

That verse immediately reminds me of this:

1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[The Light]

Show us the scripture in Revelation that shows anyone in heaven wearing the crown of life. Good luck.

Show the scripture in Revelation that shows anyone gets a crown before Jesus returns. What ever.

 

[The Light]

So, are you going to disclose how long you think the tribulation period is? Or are you so unsure of your doctrine that you are scared to bring it out into the light?

You were unable to show your flat earth theory in Revelation.

Why do you quote Revelation 7 after Revelation 14 as if they are chronological to each other? Do you see what we see that your beliefs do not add up? So, is Revelation 14 your rapture passage?

It is like getting blood out of a stone getting info from you.

You would need to understand that the coming of Jesus for the harvest in Revelation 14 is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24. Then you would need to know that the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 occurs at the 6th seal as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. Then you would need to know that the 6th seal is before the 7th seal.

But you don't understand these things.

 

[Douggg]

Where does Matthew 24:15-21 say anything about something that is occurring that comes upon all who dwell on the earth?

Matthew 24:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

LOL. Doug....Doug....Doug. Do you think when I tell you I don't look at your charts that I'm just making that up?

How do you know that there is a chart in my post, if you don't see it ?

Do you suddenly put a hand over your eyes ?

I am not going to stop posting my charts, just because you "say" you don't look at my charts. You don't have charts, nor include the end times time frames in your posts, because you cannot fit those together.

I know you are very prideful about your charts, but they mean nothing to me. Humble yourself and accept that.

Please stop with the inflaming remarks. I have not said anything prideful about my charts.

 

[MA2444]

verse 35-36 - the escape from the snare of the day of trouble that will come up all them that dwell on the earth.

But you have to draw a conclusion from that which they are unable to do supposedly.

This means the Tribulation. ...The day of trouble which comes upon all them that dwell on the earth. Seems clear to me.

 

[MA2444]

You were unable to show your flat earth theory in Revelation.

Is he a flat earther?! I didnt know that! I can blow flat earth theory out of the water even without scripture!

(It does take common sense.) But a 10 year old could understand it.

 

[MA2444]

Do you suddenly put a hand over your eyes ?

Maybe it's one those 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 things with them?

Romans 1:18-23?

 

[WPM]

You were unable to show your flat earth theory in Revelation.

You obviously have something to hide. So, I will keep asking.

You would need to understand that the coming of Jesus for the harvest in Revelation 14 is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24. Then you would need to know that the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 occurs at the 6th seal as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. Then you would need to know that the 6th seal is before the 7th seal.

But you don't understand these things.

You are all over the place. You seem to be making it up as you go. Quote your evidence and then exegete. This referencing without explaining it seems to be a smokescreen to conceal.

 

[WPM]

Is he a flat earther?! I didnt know that! I can blow flat earth theory out of the water even without scripture!

(It does take common sense.) But a 10 year old could understand it.

When do you guys go back to school?

 

[WPM]

Show the scripture in Revelation that shows anyone gets a crown before Jesus returns. What ever.

Crowns simply represent power and authority. They can also represent honor or reward.

 

[MA2444]

When do you guys go back to school?

I guess you could say I never graduated yet and sort of been a scholar my entire life. K-12 and when I got big enough to think for myself, I quit that school and eduated my self. Oh I went and got their GED certificate. I walked right in there and smoked that test. No prep classes or anything. Plus I had some technical training in Law Enforcement (I was alllmoosst a cop. No College and I used to regret that but have come to appeciate that in that I have not been conformed to this world but I have been transformed by the renewing of my mind, like the good book says. I never really stopped reading that off and on at least for most of my life. I graduated that law Enforcement training 3rd overall in a class of 30 or so.
I graduated with flying colors and they told me all I have to do now is to go down and get sworn in...but before I could do that, I accidently discovered that I had mechanical skills too and I knew there was lots more money in that than being a cop, or even a Detective. So (THANK GOD!) I went into Business for myself and learned what I didnt know about Business, the hard way....Do it. If you do good work, the money takes care of itself...and it worked out good. I was making 6 figures for quite a few years.

I learn something new every day.

Now that you know all about my Education, let's hear about yours? Judging from the hours you keep, you're retired, right?

 

[WPM]

How do you know that there is a chart in my post, if you don't see it ?

Do you suddenly put a hand over your eyes ?

I am not going to stop posting my charts, just because you "say" you don't look at my charts. You don't have charts, nor include the end times time frames in your posts, because you cannot fit those together.



Please stop with the inflaming remarks. I have not said anything prideful about my charts.

It is possible to ignore videos, links and charts. I skip over them. I look for biblical arguments. I used to completely ignore your posts. I am now trying to engage with you to see if you have Scripture. At least give us some credit. I believe you hide behind your charts when you have no Bible response.