The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

[Brakelite]

True, the Ten Commandments were "codified" for a people enslaved in Egypt and ignorant of truth...but the law already existed before then. I think "ad" and "olam" in the Psalms refers to "eternity" seeing that they are used in the context of the affairs of God, namely, His writing of the Ten Commandments. No one would argue there'll come a time when in the kingdom people will be breaking them.

It's important that the Christian read the Ten Commandments not as "thou shalt not..." but "what shall be". For instance, instead of reading with a stern tone, "Thou shalt not commit adultery", one must read them with a look of incredulity and astonishment, "Of course, thou shalt not commit adultery! What a ridiculous notion! We love Jesus and thus we'll never do that!"

But, to the "Christians" who think the Ten Commandments are grievous, that stern tone is the only way they can read them because their love of sin won't allow them to read them otherwise.

Well said.

 

[Brakelite]

The 10 Commandments are only for sinners, so is forever. However, born again Christians are not sinners and God's laws of love with all our heart are written on our hearts. And the Sabbath, the sign of the Covenant, is no longer by the letter, the only way it can be kept, but by the Spirit and substance in Jesus. It is not a day, but the Creator Himself inside us.



cc: @dad

Please pinpoint the moment when God removed the holiness and sanctity from that day.

 

[GEN2REV]

Jesus obeyed THE WHOLE LAW … do you really want to follow your logic to its conclusion?
Stop rounding the corners of your head, start offering the required tithe and sacrifices at the temple.
You are being selective in your obeying the Law.

“For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.” - James

His Father's Commandments, pollard. Pay attention.
John 15:10 "... I have kept My Father's Commandments, and abide in His love."

The 10 Commandments, pollard.

 

[GEN2REV]

Deuteronomy 29:1 These are the words of the covenant which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the sons of Israel in the land of Moab, besides the covenant which He had made with them at Horeb.

I can understand why you would choose not to believe me, but I cannot understand why you choose not to believe God.

You are displaying a humiliating level of ignorance about those chapters. Especially when you can take 5-10 minutes to read them for yourself. It's not difficult.

Two different covenants, my friend.
Deuteronomy 29:1 "...the covenant ... with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant ... made with them in Horeb.

Horeb = 10 Commandments (Stone Tablets inside (interior)of the Ark)
Deuteronomy 5:2
Deuteronomy 10:2 "...thou shalt put them inside the ark."

Moab = Mosaic Law (Book into the side (exterior) of the Ark)
Deuteronomy 28:58 - Book
Deuteronomy 31:26 - Book of the Law

You can't kick against the goads.
Acts 26:14

 

[Phoneman777]

So that is a yes then. You think you keep all the law.

Jesus died for sinners, not the righteous. I don't think Peter was driving a fresh nail into Jesus when he sinned. I think God was working on him. Now those that think they are perfect, well what's to work on?
Not sure what that is supposed to mean. Maybe you think watching a movie is bad?

Time and time again, I encounter professing Christians like you who don't understand the difference between the Just Man who falls and rises again by God's hand of grace, and the Presumptuous Man who climbs down into the filth, gets comfortable, swats away the uplifting hand of Jesus, and pushes his OSAS License to Sin in His face. Now, which was Peter, Just or Presumptuous?

BTW, you didn't answer my question: Are you a Just Man who slips and falls from time to time......or a Presumptuous Man who commits habitual, deliberate, known sin for which you refuse to fast and pray for overcoming power, and from which you have no intention to repent?

 

[atpollard]

His Father's Commandments, pollard. Pay attention.
John 15:10 "... I have kept My Father's Commandments, and abide in His love."

The 10 Commandments, pollard.

You would make any Pharisee proud.

He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”​

“For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.” - James

 

[atpollard]

Two different covenants, my friend.

Deuteronomy 29:1 These are the words of the covenant which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the sons of Israel in the land of Moab, besides the covenant which He had made with them at Horeb.

You keep missing the point that BOTH Covenants are between THE LORD and the SONS OF ISRAEL. You are neither the LORD nor a son of ISRAEL so the Covenant was NOT MADE WITH YOU OR YOUR ANCESTORS!

You can’t just claim someone else’s covenant.

 

[GEN2REV]

“For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.” - James

This verse is referring to the Mosaic/Moab/Book of 613 Ceremonial Commandments that are a Witness Against Us.
Deuteronomy 31:26

The 10 Commandments/Horeb/Stone Tablets are written on the hearts of True Believers, and are not a Witness Against Us.
Deuteronomy 10:2 "...put them inside the ark (inside the heart)."

 

[GEN2REV]

Deuteronomy 29:1 These are the words of the covenant which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the sons of Israel in the land of Moab, besides the covenant which He had made with them at Horeb.

You keep missing the point that BOTH Covenants are between THE LORD and the SONS OF ISRAEL. You are neither the LORD nor a son of ISRAEL so the Covenant was NOT MADE WITH YOU OR YOUR ANCESTORS!

You can’t just claim someone else’s covenant.

More nonsense that I've cleared up multiple times in this thread.

Can we still sin, pollard?

Can you sin? Can I sin?

What IS sin, pollard?

It is the breaking of the 10 Commandments of God.
1 John 3:4

Therefore, the 10 Commandments are still valid for EVERYBODY.

As far as the "not a son of Israel" nonsense, that also was cleared up in the OP and multiple times since. You guys continue to circle back to previously nullified points because you cannot prove your position at all.

Children of God, sons of Israel, are a spiritual race because God is a Spirit. They are those who worship God in spirit and Truth. John 4:24 Exodus 4:22

Spiritual Israel are God's Children; NOT any physical/fleshly race - for "...they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:.."
Romans 9:8

Is God's Law a physical Law or a Spiritual Law?
"For we know that the Law is spiritual:..."
Romans 7:14

The 10 Commandments were written for EVERYBODY. Those who were present at their presentation on Mt. Sinai, and those who were NOT PRESENT.
Deuteronomy 29:14-15

 

[BrotherDThomas]

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@GEN2REV,

YOUR REVEALING QUOTE IN POST #1139: "I teach exactly what scripture teaches to a 'T'. I use all scripture to build and support my case and let God's Word do all the talking."

Therefore, since the Sabbath Day was brought forth in your thread, and you answered many questions relating to this topic, and as an example of your commitment to following Jesus’ teachings to a “T,” then preferably you over me have to accept the following: “Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.” (Exodus 35:2)

Therefore, if one doesn’t follow the Sabbath Day as prescribed above by Jesus in the verse in question, they are to be put to death as Jesus stated in this passage herewith: “And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him. And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.” (Numbers 15:32-36)

Does it bother you, as it does for me, in that if you are going to follow Jesus' commands to a "T," like you said, then He set an example for you, and not me at this time, to follow when Jesus told Moses to murder a man for disrespecting the Sabbath Day by stoning him to death in said passage above. Furthermore, are you willing to follow Jesus' example to a "T," like you say you do, and follow through with what Jesus commanded Moses to do as the final outcome for any Christian that disrespects the Sabbath Day?"

"But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men." (Acts 5:29)

I and the membership thank you for your forthcoming answers.


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[dad]

Time and time again, I encounter professing Christians like you who don't understand the difference between the Just Man who falls and rises again by God's hand of grace, and the Presumptuous Man who climbs down into the filth, gets comfortable, swats away the uplifting hand of Jesus, and pushes his OSAS License to Sin in His face. Now, which was Peter, Just or Presumptuous?

Why would someone that realizes the price Jesus paid 'climb in filth'? He washes us from sin. He gave His life for that.

BTW, you didn't answer my question: Are you a Just Man who slips and falls from time to time......or a Presumptuous Man who commits habitual, deliberate, known sin for which you refuse to fast and pray for overcoming power, and from which you have no intention to repent?

I am a saved man that is not so presumptuous as to think I am perfect.

 

[Brakelite]

For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.” - James

I find this ironic coming from anti sabbatarians who wouldn't dare boast of transgressing the other 9 commandments, but show no embarrassment remorse or shame in dissing those who obey all 10.

 

[dad]

I find this ironic coming from anti sabbatarians who wouldn't dare boast of transgressing the other 9 commandments, but show no embarrassment remorse or shame in dissing those who obey all 10.

Claiming we keep the law is not the same as actually keeping it.

 

[GEN2REV]

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@GEN2REV,

YOUR REVEALING QUOTE IN POST #1139: "I teach exactly what scripture teaches to a 'T'. I use all scripture to build and support my case and let God's Word do all the talking."

Therefore, since the Sabbath Day was brought forth in your thread, and you answered many questions relating to this topic, and as an example of your commitment to following Jesus’ teachings to a “T,” then preferably you over me have to accept the following: “Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.” (Exodus 35:2)

Therefore, if one doesn’t follow the Sabbath Day as prescribed above by Jesus in the verse in question, they are to be put to death as Jesus stated in this passage herewith: “And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him. And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.” (Numbers 15:32-36)

Does it bother you, as it does for me, in that if you are going to follow Jesus' commands to a "T," like you said, then He set an example for you, and not me at this time, to follow when Jesus told Moses to murder a man for disrespecting the Sabbath Day by stoning him to death in said passage above. Furthermore, are you willing to follow Jesus' example to a "T," like you say you do, and follow through with what Jesus commanded Moses to do as the final outcome for any Christian that disrespects the Sabbath Day?"

"But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men." (Acts 5:29)

I and the membership thank you for your forthcoming answers.

Which do you think there will be more of in Heaven,

those who made a sincere effort - from the heart - with prayer and the guidance of the Holy Spirit ...

...or those who ... didn't ... even ... try?

Which of those involves enduring faith, ... and which casts it by the way side?

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Claiming we keep the law is not the same as actually keeping it.

Yes, I met a fellow on another thread that JESUS' Commandments were NOT
Obviously What He Meant To Say, so this fellow "obeyed" them "his OWN way"
(by his OWN interpretation) = How great is that?

 

[GodsGrace]

Do you agree that the lack of works proves a lack of faith? Bear in mind, 1 John 2:3-4 KJV

1 John 2:3-4
3By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
4The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

5but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:
6the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

Do I agree that a lack of works shows a lack of faith?

Not necessarily.
A new Christian may not know about works.
He may still have the sin nature working in him to a great degree.
Not all Christians are at the same point in the same amount of time.
Some change a little bit and require time for God to speak to their heart.
Some change a lot right away.
Some don't need much changing, but they just get better in attitude.

Generally speaking, however, I'd say that, yes, a lack of good deeds shows a lack of faith.
It's not enough to become neutral and not do evil...
we actually have to do good.

Do you need verses?

I'm not sure why you're asking due to what 1 John 2:3-4 states...
??

 

[dad]

Yes, I met a fellow on another thread that JESUS' Commandments were NOT
Obviously What He Meant To Say, so this fellow "obeyed" them "his OWN way"
(by his OWN interpretation) = How great is that?

So what commandments do you think are 'Jesus'' commandments?

 

[Jim B]

More nonsense that I've cleared up multiple times in this thread.

Can we still sin, pollard?

Can you sin? Can I sin?

What IS sin, pollard?

It is the breaking of the 10 Commandments of God.
1 John 3:4

Therefore, the 10 Commandments are still valid for EVERYBODY.

As far as the "not a son of Israel" nonsense, that also was cleared up in the OP and multiple times since. You guys continue to circle back to previously nullified points because you cannot prove your position at all.

Children of God, sons of Israel, are a spiritual race because God is a Spirit. They are those who worship God in spirit and Truth. John 4:24 Exodus 4:22

Spiritual Israel are God's Children; NOT any physical/fleshly race - for "...they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:.."
Romans 9:8

Is God's Law a physical Law or a Spiritual Law?
"For we know that the Law is spiritual:..."
Romans 7:14

The 10 Commandments were written for EVERYBODY. Those who were present at their presentation on Mt. Sinai, and those who were NOT PRESENT.
Deuteronomy 29:14-15

You can USE CAPS all you want but the electronic equivalent of shouting doesn't make you right. However, if you want to engage in a "shouting match"...

I'm not going to respond to your strident defense of the Old Covenant commandments, but it's obvious that you lack understanding.

"Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; indeed, sin is lawlessness. And you know that Jesus was revealed to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. Everyone who resides in him does not sin; everyone who sins has neither seen him nor known him." 1 John 3:4-6 There is nothing here about the Ten Commandments. Period.

Romans 7:4-6, "So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you could be joined to another, to the one who was raised from the dead, to bear fruit to God. For when we were in the flesh, the sinful desires, aroused by the law, were active in the members of our body to bear fruit for death. But now we have been released from the law, because we have died to what controlled us, so that we may serve in the new life of the Spirit and not under the old written code." Died to the law! Released from the law! Not under the old written code!

If you want to serve the Law you are not living by the Holy Spirit!!!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

if its on the heart CL, its still there, unless of course you can flick out the offending ones ....and I didn't see that option.

Hi QT,

Okay, so tell me how I can keep the Spirit of the Sabbath without it being of the letter, just one day a week. The Spirit of a law is all the time, not broken down. I think you will admit that the Old Testament Sabbath day was once a week and could only be known and kept by the letter of the law. Our heart doesn't have a timer on it to notify us that the sun is setting only on Fridays and Saturdays to announce the beginning and ending of the Sabbath.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

So what commandments do you think are 'Jesus'' commandments?

What did Jesus preach and teach? To believe on Him. To love one another. To be perfect. To be holy.

1 John 3:23-24