The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

[mailmandan]

Jesus supports sinless perfection. So does His Father.

Yeah, where are these people? I'd like to have a talk with them. Btw, do you think you stated that strongly enough?
I don't need to impose my interpretation on something so simple. Do you believe Jesus and His Father are divided on commandment content? I just don't need to twist scripture to see what I should do to please God. Sorry. Do you love me? You know, the "love one another" commandment. I don't feel much Christian charity coming from you. You seem to harbor a malicious spirit.

Name one person other than Jesus Christ who lived a sinless, perfect life. Malicious spirit? Really? You sound very sensitive.

 

[mailmandan]

Yeah, how about that Bob S, huh?

I know Bob S.

 

[amadeus]

Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self-righteousness. (1 John 1:8-10)

You have never heard me make such a claim about myself, because I never have. I cannot speak for others... and without knowledge and God's direction, I strive not to do so.

On the other hand, who among us, me and you included, has the perfect vision and understanding of God so as to be able to say that no one he has ever met has not yet already overcome the world as Jesus did?

They called Jesus names accusing him about things they did not know or understand. Do we understand things better now? If our understanding is not equal to God's perhaps it is better to speak. Is biting our tongues not sometimes a good thing?

What is an idle word?

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." Matt 12:36-37

"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
...a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;" Ecc 3:1,7

"Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee?
And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly." Matt 27:13-14

 

[BarneyFife]

Name one person other than Jesus Christ who lived a sinless, perfect life.

I can't, and what does that prove? Not a thing.

Malicious spirit? Really? You sound very sensitive

Well, I'm not the only one who noticed it.

I know Bob S.

So do I, and I think you might've been hanging around him too much.

 

[JesusFan1]

Why doesn't everyone realize this?? The Bible clearly states that the Mosaic law was fulfilled and superseded by the New Covenant! The two covenants can't be in force at the same time. It is impossible to keep the entire Mosaic law, so "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23) and need a savior to be reconciled to God through His atoning death.

If one intends to insist that a Christian is still under obligation to keep the Sabbath, must also keep all of the other rules at same time, as its all or nothing!

 

[GodsGrace]

Mean? Really? Maybe it rubbed off from the Christian Forums site. People there can get downright nasty!

Yeah.
But nothing beats the chat!
I think we agree but maybe use a different language.
Can't be sure.

 

[mailmandan]

You have never heard me make such a claim about myself, because I never have. I cannot speak for others... and without knowledge and God's direction, I strive not to do so.

On the other hand, who among us, me and you included, has the perfect vision and understanding of God so as to be able to say that no one he has ever met has not yet already overcome the world as Jesus did?

They called Jesus names accusing him about things they did not know or understand. Do we understand things better now? If our understanding is not equal to God's perhaps it is better to speak. Is biting our tongues not sometimes a good thing?

What is an idle word?

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." Matt 12:36-37

"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
...a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;" Ecc 3:1,7

"Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee?

And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly." Matt 27:13-14

Thank you for your honesty in not claiming to be sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolutely perfect 100% of the time (exactly like Jesus).

In regards to overcoming, in 1 John 5:4, we read - For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. :)

 

[GEN2REV]

@mailmandan

If you can answer this question, dan, you'll be the first in all the forums that I have asked it in. Nobody will touch this question. It is simply this:

Which Commandments, of the 10, do you claim are impossible for us to keep?

We can take them one at a time.

 

[mailmandan]

@mailmandan

If you can answer this question, dan, you'll be the first in all the forums that I have asked it in. Nobody will touch this question. It is simply this:

Which Commandments, of the 10, do you claim are impossible for us to keep?

We can take them one at a time.

Do you define “keep” as flawlessly obey?

 

[Taken]

@mailmandan

If you can answer this question, dan, you'll be the first in all the forums that I have asked it in. Nobody will touch this question. It is simply this:

Which Commandments, of the 10, do you claim are impossible for us to keep?

First time I have seen this question...
Answer ...to be accurate...First depends on WHO “US” specifically is.

Define “US” specifically.

 

[GEN2REV]

Do you define “keep” as flawlessly obey?

James 3:2 clears that up.

You are still dodging the question.

I'll be even more specific:

Which of the 10 Commandments is God's Holy Spirit NOT capable of helping us to obey on a regular basis?

 

[mailmandan]

James 3:2 clears that up.

You are still dodging the question.

I'll be even more specific:

Which of the 10 Commandments is God's Holy Spirit NOT capable of helping us to obey on a regular basis?

I’m not dodging anything and I just wanted to get clarification on how you define “keep.” The Holy Spirit is absolutely capable of helping us to obey God’s commandments for New Testament believers yet that does not mean we perfectly obey 100% of the time. Keeping the sabbath day with all its rules and regulations including a death penalty was for the Israelites and not the body of Christ under the new covenant.

 

[GEN2REV]

I’m not dodging anything and I just wanted to get clarification on how you define “keep.” The Holy Spirit is absolutely capable of helping us to obey God’s commandments for New Testament believers yet that does not mean we perfectly obey 100% of the time.

It means you fully intend to obey 100% of the time. And that is what is required ... fully committed intention and effort out of love and obedience to God - not out of fear of death or punishment.

Keeping the sabbath day with all its rules and regulations including a death penalty was for the Israelites and not the body of Christ under the new covenant.

James 3:2 allows for stumbling, or unintentional offending of the Holy Spirit. But it can't be stumbling, and it can't be unintentional, if it is accepted, deliberate or habitual sin.

That is the difference. It is simple and it is clear. Not at all difficult to understand.

 

[mailmandan]

It means you fully intend to obey 100% of the time. And that is what is required ... fully committed intention and effort out of love and obedience to God - not out of fear of death or punishment. James 3:2 allows for stumbling, or unintentional offending of the Holy Spirit. But it can't be stumbling, and it can't be unintentional, if it is accepted, deliberate or habitual sin.

That is the difference. It is simple and it is clear. Not at all difficult to understand.

So according to you it’s flawless or Lawless? How do you answer the question, “what must I do to be saved?”

 

[GEN2REV]

So according to you it’s flawless or Lawless?

Flawless intention, sure. God asks for Perfection of heart. Matthew 5:48

How do you answer the question, “what must I do to be saved?”

How does God answer it?

Believe and obey the 10 Commandments until the very end. He makes it simple.
Matthew 24:13
Revelation 3:10
Revelation 14:12

 

[mailmandan]

Flawless intention, sure. God asks for Perfection of heart. Matthew 5:48 How does God answer it?

Believe and obey the 10 Commandments until the very end. He makes it simple.
Matthew 24:13
Revelation 3:10
Revelation 14:12

Hmm.. in Acts 16:31, the answer to that question was, “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.” Yet you say have a flawless heart and obey the 10 commandments and you will be saved. Should I believe the apostle Paul in Acts 16:31 or should I believe you? I believe the apostle Paul and not your misinterpretation of scripture.

 

[GEN2REV]

Hmm.. in Acts 16:31, the answer to that question was, “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.” Yet you say have a flawless heart and obey the 10 commandments and you will be saved. Should I believe the apostle Paul in Acts 16:31 or should I believe you? I believe the apostle Paul and not your misinterpretation of scripture.

Well, ... you should believe Jesus Christ.

John 15:14 "...do whatsoever I command you."

Which Commandments are Jesus' Commandments?
He must be only about His Father's business.
"... know ye not that I must be about My Father's business?" KJV
Luke 2:49

John 15:10 "If ye keep My Commandments, ye shall abide in My love (you shall remain in the process of salvation); even as I have kept My Father's Commandments, and abide in His love."

The 10 Commandments are Jesus' business and are HIS Commandments.

"If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father."
John 14:9

Fascinating that just 6 verses later, in the exact same chapter, we have:
"If ye love Me, keep My Commandments."
John 14:15

Believe Jesus.

 

[GEN2REV]

I believe the apostle Paul

Paul believed Jesus and was a keeper of the Law (the 10 Commandments), ... by the way.

Acts 21:24

 

[mailmandan]

Well, ... you should believe Jesus Christ.

John 15:14 "...do whatsoever I command you."

Which Commandments are Jesus' Commandments?
He must be only about His Father's business.
"... know ye not that I must be about My Father's business?" KJV
Luke 2:49

John 15:10 "If ye keep My Commandments, ye shall abide in My love (you shall remain in the process of salvation); even as I have kept My Father's Commandments, and abide in His love."

The 10 Commandments are Jesus' business and are HIS Commandments.

"If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father."
John 14:9

Fascinating that just 6 verses later, in the exact same chapter, we have:
"If ye love Me, keep My Commandments."
John 14:15

Believe Jesus.

So your definition of believe in Jesus Christ unto salvation is “perfectly obey the 10 Commandments?” Why do you even need a Savior if you could save yourself by obeying the 10 Commandments?

 

[mailmandan]

Paul believed Jesus and was a keeper of the Law (the 10 Commandments), ... by the way.

Acts 21:24

So Paul remained under the old covenant of law throughout his life? Nobody has perfectly obeyed the 10 Commandments except for Jesus Christ. If you stand before Jesus Christ one day expecting to receive eternal life based on the merits of obeying the 10 Commandments, you will be in for a huge disappointment! (Romans 3:24-28; Galatians 2:16; 3:10; Philippians 3:9 etc..).