The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

[mailmandan]

Why doesn't everyone realize this?? The Bible clearly states that the Mosaic law was fulfilled and superseded by the New Covenant! The two covenants can't be in force at the same time. It is impossible to keep the entire Mosaic law, so "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23) and need a savior to be reconciled to God through His atoning death.

It’s so nice to see that somebody on here gets it. ;)

 

[BarneyFife]

It’s so nice to see that somebody on here gets it. ;)

You're kinda mean.

Reminiscent of this:

Luke 18:11 KJV: The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

 

[mailmandan]

You're kinda mean.

Reminiscent of this:

Luke 18:11 KJV: The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings. I’m a long way from being a Pharisee. ;)

 

[amadeus]

I see that you refuse to answer my two questions. Feeling convicted? Only Jesus Christ lived flawlessly, without sin.

And are you saying that no one else can, not even with the help of God...? Would that not make Jesus a liar?

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." Mark 10:27

 

[mailmandan]

And are you saying that no one else can, not even with the help of God...? Would that not make Jesus a liar?

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." Mark 10:27

With the help of God have you lived a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless absolute perfect life 100% of the time just as Jesus lived?

 

[amadeus]

With the help of God have you lived a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless absolute perfect life 100% of the time just as Jesus lived?

You are asking for my testimony. I have given different parts of it on this forum many times over the years. In any case, my personal testimony or those of other people on this forum make no difference case as to what God can or cannot do! God is not bound by the flaws or limitations of any man or men. He is bound only by His own Word.

From natural birth from natural mother to natural death, no man but Jesus has been continuously sinless. That is not the same as denying the possibility that anyone can live or has lived sinless since his complete and unchanged surrender to God.

We should avoid limiting Gold by a manifestation or statement of negative faith in Him. That is what the natural children of Israel did:

"Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel." Psalm 78:41

Who are we to say that God cannot accomplish even sinlessness in a heart fully surrendered to Him? Are the written scriptures full of lies? Is God a liar?

If a man cannot surrender alone, will not God help a sincere heart also to surrender?

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened." Matt 7:7-8

 

[mailmandan]

You are asking for my testimony. I have given different parts of it on this forum many times over the years. In any case, my personal testimony or those of other people on this forum make no difference case as to what God can or cannot do! God is not bound by the flaws or limitations of any man or men. He is bound only by His own Word.

From natural birth from natural mother to natural death, no man but Jesus has been continuously sinless. That is not the same as denying the possibility that anyone can live or has lived sinless since his complete and unchanged surrender to God.

We should avoid limiting Gold by a manifestation or statement of negative faith in Him. That is what the natural children of Israel did:

"Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel." Psalm 78:41

Who are we to say that God cannot accomplish even sinlessness in a heart fully surrendered to Him? Are the written scriptures full of lies? Is God a liar?

If a man cannot surrender alone, will not God help a sincere heart also to surrender?

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened." Matt 7:7-8

I’m not calling God a liar at all, yet you still believe that there are people who are sinless 100% of the time just like Jesus Christ?

 

[mailmandan]

1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

 

[amadeus]

I’m not calling God a liar at all, yet you still believe that there are people who are sinless 100% of the time just like Jesus Christ?

And you disbelieve, which is to me a negative faith or a lack of faith in God... or?

I believe in the possibility, for Jesus said, that "for God all things are possible". Do you doubt Jesus' words or God's power? Must I have been witness to such a sinless person to believe in the power of God to accomplish it in someone?

Are we not to live by faith rather than by the proofs of our natural senses, the logic of our brains, or the scientific method of men?

"For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith." Rom 1:17

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Heb 11:1

"Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." John 20:29

 

[BarneyFife]

I’m not calling God a liar at all, yet you still believe that there are people who are sinless 100% of the time just like Jesus Christ?

Hebrews 4:15 KJV: For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 4:16 KJV: Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

1 John 2:4 KJV: He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:5 KJV: But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1 John 2:6 KJV: He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

 

[mailmandan]

And you disbelieve, which is to me a negative faith or a lack of faith in God... or?

I believe in the possibility, for Jesus said, that "for God all things are possible". Do you doubt Jesus' words or God's power? Must I have been witness to such a sinless person to believe in the power of God to accomplish it in someone?

Are we not to live by faith rather than by the proofs of our natural senses, the logic of our brains, or the scientific method of men?

"For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith." Rom 1:17

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Heb 11:1

"Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." John 20:29

So you interpret these passages of scripture to support sinless perfection?

 

[mailmandan]

Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self-righteousness. (1 John 1:8-10)

 

[GEN2REV]

The Mosaic law was fulfilled and superseded by the New Covenant!

10 Commandments are not Mosaic Law.

Mosaic law was given at Moab, 10 commandments were given at Horeb.

"These are the words of the covenant, which the Lord commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which He made with them in Horeb."
Deuteronomy 29:1
Deuteronomy 5:2

 

[GEN2REV]

Why doesn't everyone realize this?? The Bible clearly states that the Mosaic law was fulfilled and superseded by the New Covenant!

10 Commandments are not the 613 Mosaic Laws.

They were never repealed anywhere in God's Word.

Read Exodus through Deuteronomy a few times and decide for yourself if God ever intended His 10 Commandments to be revoked.

He couldn't have been more repetitive, or dramatic, about His insistence that those Commandments be obeyed forever.

 

[mailmandan]

Hebrews 4:15 KJV: For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 4:16 KJV: Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

1 John 2:4 KJV: He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:5 KJV: But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1 John 2:6 KJV: He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

These passages of scripture still do not teach sinless perfection. How do you define “keep” his commandments and which commandments is John talking about?

 

[GodsGrace]

Sadly, you appear to be beyond help.

Wow
You've become so mean.
Why?

Your comments were for @BarnyFife

 

[mailmandan]

Wow
You've become so mean.
Why?

Your comments were for @BarnyFife

Mean? Really? Maybe it rubbed off from the Christian Forums site. People there can get downright nasty!

 

[BarneyFife]

So you interpret these passages of scripture to support sinless perfection?

Jesus supports sinless perfection. So does His Father.

Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self-righteousness. (1 John 1:8-10)

Yeah, where are these people? I'd like to have a talk with them. Btw, do you think you stated that strongly enough?

These passages of scripture still do not teach sinless perfection. How do you define “keep” his commandments and which commandments is John talking about?

I don't need to impose my interpretation on something so simple. Do you believe Jesus and His Father are divided on commandment content? I just don't need to twist scripture to see what I should do to please God. Sorry. Do you love me? You know, the "love one another" commandment. I don't feel much Christian charity coming from you. You seem to harbor a malicious spirit.

 

[amadeus]

So you interpret these passages of scripture to support sinless perfection?

I already posted my belief. Is it my interpretation, or is it God's?

For me all ATs [Absolute Truths] held by men [including me] should be subject to correction by God. Who among us is never wrong even though he believes that he is right? I am not God either!

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov. 21:2

 

[BarneyFife]

Mean? Really? Maybe it rubbed off from the Christian Forums site. People there can get downright nasty!

Yeah, how about that Bob S, huh?