Strange teachings

[Cassandra]

Jeremiah said WHAT? Did he say; TRUST YOUR new BIBLES and the modern TRANSLATORS/SCRIBES who wrote them?

RSV JER 8:8 "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.

JER 16:19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely OUR FATHERS HAVE INHERITED LIES, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

Might want to make sure your DOCTRINES are not standing on the shoulders of those before you who simply stand on all the shoulders back that have been deceived a long time.

-One of the most common biblical manuscripts used to make our modern English translations is known today as the Nestle Text. Yet it was Prof. Eberhard Nestle himself who warned us in his Einfhrung in die Textkritik des griechischen Testaments: "Learned men, so called Correctores were, following the church meeting at Nicea 325 AD, selected by the church authorities to scrutinize the sacred texts and rewrite them in order to correct their meaning in accordance with the views which the church had just sanctioned."

-One of the oldest copies of the Bible which dates back to the fifth century is the Codex Bezae, of which the Britannica writes: "Codex Bezae… has a text that is very different from other witnesses. Codex Bezae has many distinctive longer and shorter readings and seems almost to be a separate edition. Its 'Acts, for example, is one-tenth longer than usual’". How can we have a Bible that is said to be "almost… a separate edition"?

-St. Jerome when he wrote: "They write down not what they find but what they think is the meaning; and while they attempt to rectify the errors of others, they merely expose their own" (Jerome, Epist. lxxi.5).

Ok, so what do you do? What knowledge are we, as Christians, responsible for? What if we cannot access the Codex Bezae?

This is what Wiki say that Codex contains:
The manuscript presents the gospels in the Western order Matthew, John, Luke and Mark, of which only Luke is complete; after some missing pages the manuscript picks up with the Third Epistle of John (in Latin) and contains part of Acts.[5]: 

Codex Bezae - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Ritajanice]

The very words....of 500...different "Christian" denominations".

They can’t all be right!...LOL.

I guess being Born Again to one is different to another?

I can only go by the Living word of God...imo/ belief.

 

[St. SteVen]

Hi St. Steven,
Anybody can invite anyone into their private conversations. :)

Sorry I wasn't clear.
The question was about privacy issues if you report a post in a PM. (private message)
Mods get an alert. I assume they have access to read the entire thread/conversation topic (or more?)
to determine if rules were broken. An abusive PM for instance.

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[BarneyFife]

Are we saved by doctrine?

Are you anti-education? ;)

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[St. SteVen]

Hillsage said:
The very words....of 500...different "Christian" denominations".

They can’t all be right!...LOL.

I love the way Protestants parrot that self-incriminating Catholic apologetic.
"They can’t all be right!" means they are all wrong. (b-cuz they don't conform to the RCC)

I see the different denominations being like specialists in the medical industry.

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[St. SteVen]

Are you anti-education? ;)

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Yes. Do you want to see my diploma? I have a BS degree. - LOL

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[BarneyFife]

Hillsage said:
The very words....of 500...different "Christian" denominations".

I love the way Protestants parrot that self-incriminating Catholic apologetic.
"They can’t all be right!" means they are all wrong. (b-cuz they don't conform to the RCC)

I see the different denominations being like specialists in the medical industry.

/ @Hillsage

What's interesting to me is that the "They can't all be right" thing often means they are all wrong because they don't conform to the wildly popular, armchair, non/anti-denominationalism that finds good nesting material in online Christian forums.

I admit I'm biased because of my Navy brat/Air Force vet background that lends itself well to organization and institution.

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[St. SteVen]

Are you anti-education? ;)

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Is that even a word? - LOL

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[St. SteVen]

I admit I'm biased because of my Navy brat/Air Force vet background that lends itself well to organization and institution.

Sounds like we need to beat the starch out of you. - LOL

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[BarneyFife]

Is that even a word? - LOL

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Words are for sale to the highest bidder, like everything else, except truth.

Sorry for dropping the T-bomb.

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[BarneyFife]

Sounds like we need to beat the starch out of you. - LOL

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I'm pretty pacifist in the micro, so you won't meet with much resistance.

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[St. SteVen]

I'm pretty pacifist in the micro, so you won't meet with much resistance.

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C'mon, man! Stand up an' fight!

 

[Hillsage]

Ok, so what do you do? What knowledge are we, as Christians, responsible for? What if we cannot access the Codex Bezae?

This is what Wiki say that Codex contains:
The manuscript presents the gospels in the Western order Matthew, John, Luke and Mark, of which only Luke is complete; after some missing pages the manuscript picks up with the Third Epistle of John (in Latin) and contains part of Acts.[5]: 

Codex Bezae - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I don't think we can ever 'get it right' if we can't even 'get along'. I think it's fair to say 'we're all brain washed'. Some of us have studied harder to find out WHO washed them.

I see too many come to forums....not to LEARN, but to WIN. I have a T-shirt, given to me from my kids, that says GRUMPY OLD VET. I have another T-shirt that says DAV (Disabled American Veteran). Both are right. So when I come here I bring a sword that has the blood of many on it. And I believe there are 3 levels of righteousness.

1. SELF righteousnes
2.RIGHT righteousness
3. UN righteousness

If yours is SELF I'll cut your legs off. If yours is UN I'll cut your head off. WHY? To demand the respect to get your attention so you'll listen.

 

[St. SteVen]

Words are for sale to the highest bidder, like everything else, except truth.

Can I see something in the million dollar category?
I just got paid. - LOL

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[Pearl]

Finally... someone who understands.
And THAT'S the truth. Err...
I mean the true truth, not that other truth that everyone else thinks is the truth. - LOL
Actually, I think Pontius Pilate had it right. "What is truth?"

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Jesus is the Truth, he is also the Way and the Life.

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

 

[Pearl]

That's good advice in personal practice. But...

What do you do about other believers who disagree with you?
Did the Holy Spirit not reveal the true truth to them as well?
Are you then the arbitrator of true truth based on what you believe
the Spirit revealed to you? Are you infallible?

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The Holy Spirit only reveals the truth to born again believers who have chosen to follow Jesus or to those who are sincerely seeking the truth. Jesus is the Truth.

 

[Pearl]

The very words....of 500...different "Christian" denominations".

But there is only One True Church and none of the traditional denominations can lay claim to be that. It covers all born again believers who have made the choice to follow Jesus.

 

[Cassandra]

I don't think we can ever 'get it right' if we can't even 'get along'. I think it's fair to say 'we're all brain washed'. Some of us have studied harder to find out WHO washed them.

I see too many come to forums....not to LEARN, but to WIN. I have a T-shirt, given to me from my kids, that says GRUMPY OLD VET. I have another T-shirt that says DAV (Disabled American Veteran). Both are right. So when I come here I bring a sword that has the blood of many on it. And I believe there are 3 levels of righteousness.

1. SELF righteousnes
2.RIGHT righteousness
3. UN righteousness

If yours is SELF I'll cut your legs off. If yours is UN I'll cut your head off. WHY? To demand the respect to get your attention so you'll listen.

But isn't feeling you are right and coming here demanding respect so we'll listen a form of self righteousness, too? Aren't you doing the very thing your rail against?

 

[BarneyFife]

Can I see something in the million dollar category?

nyctinasty noun : plant movement (such as the closing of a flower's petals or the reorientation of a leaf's position) that occurs in response to changes in light intensity (such as the onset of darkness) and that typically involves changes in cellular turgor : the nastic movement of the parts of some plants that occurs in the absence of a directional stimulus and that is associated with the plant's circadian cycle

This is actually one of 690 new words added to the (Webster-?) dictionary last month and, sadly, one of the few that have a look of legitimacy to them.

Looks like nice-to-nasty to me - lol.

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[St. SteVen]

Jesus is the Truth, he is also the Way and the Life.

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Did that answer the question, "What is truth?" ???

If so, how can you add anything to that and call it truth? What becomes of true truth? POOF!

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