Spotting Heretics

[Ferris Bueller]

This is why it is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo difficult to communicate with you.

If you were a 1st century Jew....what would the keys to a kingdom represent Ferris?

Figure that out and get back with me. Stop giving me your opinion and read ALL of Scripture.

Forgiveness IS the key to the kingdom. Don't you get it?????

The Apostles were given the power to forgive or not to forgive and thus possessed the keys to lock, or leave locked, the kingdom to a person. And us regular believers have that power to an extent, too. You know (well, you don't know, lol), when two brothers come into agreement on the matter of forgiveness it is done in heaven by God as they have done on earth (no popes, cardinals, or bishops needed). Stop listening to your Catholic leadership and read the Bible for yourself! I mean, come on, they say you are saved by eating the literal, earthly bread of the Passover. But Paul clearly taught that no one is justified by the law! Your men don't even have the fundamentals of salvation right! You don't need to fear them. You don't need to listen to anything they say. They are false teachers. They are heretics. You can have your own relationship with God. You don't need them. They've been lying to you.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Nice try Ferris. This is why it is soooooooooooooo difficult to communicate with you. You are dishonest. The passages you provided talk about binding and loosening. They do not talk about the keys. Those are two different matters. Only one person can possess keys. Your "I showed you the passages, lol" comment is DISHONEST! You did not show me ANY passage saying that ANYONE OTHER THAN PETER WAS GIVEN THE KEYS!

Keeping it real........Mary

Just read the passages, lol.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Your men have failed you. They have not taught you all of Scripture. You should run from them.

What is the CONTEXT of Jesus denouncing the men in long robes (the scribes and the Pharisees) amigo?

WHY did Jesus tell his disciples to do whatever they (the scribes and the Pharisees) teach you and follow it?

Why did Paul say "Obey those that rule over you" amigo?

Paul said the men who lead the church (the elders) are worthy of double honor. What men rule over you that are worthy of double honor amigo? what title do you give them?

Sooooooo now the question is: Is Jesus and Paul's teaching contradictory? Do we obey men in robes and do what they tell us to do OR beware of them? Or did amigo's teachers not teach him all of Scripture and put it into CONTEXT for him?

Mary

No saved believer has any obligation whatsoever to listen to a false, heretical teacher! Besides their kneejerk addon laws, at least the Pharisees taught the law as required! But the Catholic leadership has missed it by a mile!

You do not need to listen to another word a Catholic leader tells you. You can have your OWN relationship with God. Just you, your Bible, and the Holy Spirit. They've been lying to you. They can't hold you hostage to their rituals and ceremonies. Faith in God's forgiveness all by itself firmly establishes you in a safe and secure relationship with God through Jesus Christ.

 

[Marymog]

No saved believer has any obligation whatsoever to listen to a false, heretical teacher! Besides their kneejerk addon laws, at least the Pharisees taught the law as required! But the Catholic leadership has missed it by a mile!

You do not need to listen to another word a Catholic leader tells you. You can have your OWN relationship with God. Just you, your Bible, and the Holy Spirit. They've been lying to you. They can't hold you hostage to their rituals and ceremonies. Faith in God's forgiveness all by itself firmly establishes you in a safe and secure relationship with God through Jesus Christ.

You do not need to listen to another word your Protestant leader tells you.

 

[Marymog]

Forgiveness IS the key to the kingdom. Don't you get it?????

The Apostles were given the power to forgive or not to forgive and thus possessed the keys to lock, or leave locked, the kingdom to a person. And us regular believers have that power to an extent, too. You know (well, you don't know, lol), when two brothers come into agreement on the matter of forgiveness it is done in heaven by God as they have done on earth (no popes, cardinals, or bishops needed). Stop listening to your Catholic leadership and read the Bible for yourself! I mean, come on, they say you are saved by eating the literal, earthly bread of the Passover. But Paul clearly taught that no one is justified by the law! Your men don't even have the fundamentals of salvation right! You don't need to fear them. You don't need to listen to anything they say. They are false teachers. They are heretics. You can have your own relationship with God. You don't need them. They've been lying to you.

Time for a bible and ancient history lesson Ferris. I will teach you since your men failed to teach you:

The “keys of the kingdom” was something well known in Jesus’ day since all ancient middle-eastern monarchies shared a similar structure. The king was the head of the kingdom, the highest authority for the state. Underneath the king were various offices of ministry. The Kingdom of David’s cabinet ministers included the head of the army, chief of the commissaries, superintendent of the labor force, etc. (see 1 Kings 4:1-6). Over these offices was the office of prime minister. The prime minister’s job was to oversee the other ministers and to look after the day-to-day operation of the kingdom. A king could not be bothered with micromanaging the kingdom’s daily affairs, his concern was the micromanagement of the kingdom, such as long and short term planning, treatises and alliances, etc.. The micromanagement of the kingdom was given to the prime minister, whose authority was second only to the king.

In Isaiah 22 the wicked prime minister Shebna was removed and replaced more worthy servant named Eliakim. God says to Shebna through Isaiah: “On that day I will summon my servant Eliakim, son of Hilkiah; I will clothe him with your robe, and gird him with your sash, and give over to him your authority. He shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah. I will place the key of the House of David on his shoulder; when he opens, no one shall shut, when he shuts, no one shall open.” Among the signs of the prime minister’s office (a robe, a sash, the title “father”) was the “key of the House of David,” that is to say the keys of the kingdom. The prime minister wore this large key on his shoulder and used it to open and shut the gates of the kingdom. Therefore, when Christ promised Simon Peter the “keys of the Kingdom,” the Apostles would have realized two things by this action: First, they must have realized that by doing this Christ was acting as the son of David, the King of Messiah king, whose kingdom extends to both heaven and earth. Second, Jesus promised to install Simon Peter as the prime minister of this kingdom. His job, therefore, would be to oversee the other ministers in the kingdom (i.e., the Apostles) in their ministry.

If you knew your bible AND ancient history you would know this already. But you don't know either. You are equating keys to the kingdom to forgiving sins. They are not equated in Scripture but you equate them which means you are teaching a false teaching.

 

[Wrangler]

You are dishonest. The passages you provided talk about binding and loosening. They do not talk about the keys. Those are two different matters.

There is a difference between having an honest disagreement from being dishonest.

You say 'binding and loosening' is different than having the keys. We say they are the same. What makes them different matters?

 

[Marymog]

The power to forgive or withhold forgiveness IS the power of binding and loosing and possesing the keys of the kingdom. Why are you ignoring the scriptures that plainly show this???? My men are the authors of the Bible and they plainly show us they exactly equate. You are the one listening to men outside of the Bible and who contradict what they say.

Lol Ferris........sooooooooooo every human on earth has the keys to the kingdom of heaven? Oh goodness.....Even though Jesus said to Peter and Peter only that he was giving the keys to him? Run from the men who taught you this. Oh wait!! Since I have the keys to heaven I will just lock you out...but you have keys also so you can open it and get in....dang, my plan was foiled by your false teaching!!

And PLEASE don't ever say again that your men are the authors of the bible. You are repeating what your Protestant revolutionaries have taught....Not what is in the bible. Because if you would repeat what was in the bible you would say what Jesus said which is: I also say to you that you are Peter........ I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

If YOU repeat the words that Jesus said then YOU would be right. Instead YOU repeat the words of your Protestant teachers which makes THEM authors of what YOU believe....You ignore the authors of the bible and you contradict Jesus.

 

[Marymog]

EVEN IF only Peter were given the keys,

THANK YOU for finally admitting what I said was right and that Jesus gave Peter and Peter only the keys to the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Marymog]

I showed you the passages, lol. Case closed. It's not even up for honest debate. It says what it says.

No, you didn't show me a passage in which anyone else was given keys. You quoted a passage about binding and loosening sin. The word key is not in that passage AND the keys conversation took place ONE YEAR before the binding and loosening of sin. You are trying soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo desperatly to equate the two but they do not equate.

You soooooooooooooooooooooooo desperately want to be right but twisting Scripture and adding words to it (Whatever you bind on earth with the keys I give you will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth with these keys I give you will be loosed in heaven.) will NEVER make you right. As a matter of fact, scripture does say something about that: untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Lol Ferris........sooooooooooo every human on earth has the keys to the kingdom of heaven?

To the extent that you can forgive the person who sins against you and they receive it you have the power of binding and loosing, for Jesus said that just as that happens on earth between them it is done in heaven. READ YOUR BIBLE!

Oh goodness.....Even though Jesus said to Peter and Peter only that he was giving the keys to him? Run from the men who taught you this. Oh wait!! Since I have the keys to heaven I will just lock you out...but you have keys also so you can open it and get in....dang, my plan was foiled by your false teaching!!

It's like you don't even listen to anything you're taught, lol. What a joke.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

And PLEASE don't ever say again that your men are the authors of the bible. You are repeating what your Protestant revolutionaries have taught....Not what is in the bible.

And so I should ignore what the authors of the Bible say and go with your men who say you are saved by eating a piece of Passover bread, the law observance that Paul said can not and does not justify? Yeah, okay, I'll do that, lol.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Because if you would repeat what was in the bible you would say what Jesus said which is: I also say to you that you are Peter........ I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

Good grief, just look at what you yourself quoted! The keys of the kingdom is binding and loosing! And we see in Matthew 18:15-18 that binding and loosing is forgiving and not forgiving. How can you be so blind, lol????

I'm so sad for you. You don't know the Bible, you know false Catholic doctrine. And it always takes precedence over and above what the Bible actually says. Are you born again?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If YOU repeat the words that Jesus said then YOU would be right. Instead YOU repeat the words of your Protestant teachers which makes THEM authors of what YOU believe....You ignore the authors of the bible and you contradict Jesus.

I showed you the FULL counsel of the Bible that says being given the keys of the kingdom is to be able to bind and to loose. And that to bind or to loose is to be able to forgive or not to forgive. AND that two people between themselves (no popes, cardinals, priests, or bishops necessary) can forgive. It really looks like you are simply not interested in what the Bible actually says, Mary. You're not being real.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You are equating keys to the kingdom to forgiving sins. They are not equated in Scripture but you equate them which means you are teaching a false teaching.

I'm equating them because as I have shown you the Bible equates them:

"18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” Matthew 16:18-19​

15If your brother sins against you, go and confront him privately. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over.
18Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
19Again, I tell you truly that if two of you on the earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by My Father in heaven. 20For where two or three gather together in My name, there am I with them.” Matthew 18:15-20
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Read it! The keys of the kingdom is the ability to bind and loose. Binding and loosing is forgiving or not forgiving someone. And any two believers can forgive an offense between themselves. Good grief, Mary, just read the Bible for yourself! You don't have to be afraid of your Catholic overlords. They can't hold you hostage to their supposed authority and their false Catholic doctrines. You can have a relationship with God through Jesus and the Bible by yourself, through the Holy Spirit. You don't need the Catholic church. You need brothers and sisters, but you do not need the Catholic church.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You do not need to listen to another word your Protestant leader tells you.

I read my Bible and the Holy Spirit is my discerner. I listen to and fellowship with other like-minded born again believers who also have the Holy Spirit of discernment in them and we learn and grow up into Jesus together, just as God designed that to happen. I only listen to any Protestant teacher who's teaching conforms to the scriptures and the testimony of the Holy Spirit within me.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

No, you didn't show me a passage in which anyone else was given keys. You quoted a passage about binding and loosening sin. The word key is not in that passage AND the keys conversation took place ONE YEAR before the binding and loosening of sin. You are trying soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo desperatly to equate the two but they do not equate.

Just read the passages I'm posting, lol.

You soooooooooooooooooooooooo desperately want to be right but twisting Scripture and adding words to it (Whatever you bind on earth with the keys I give you will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth with these keys I give you will be loosed in heaven.) will NEVER make you right. As a matter of fact, scripture does say something about that: untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

I didn't even add to it. I just posted what the Bible so plainly says, lol!

 

[Wrangler]

THANK YOU for finally admitting what I said was right and that Jesus gave Peter and Peter only the keys to the kingdom of heaven.

Sad. You are a bad witness. So dishonest and willfully ignorant.

LOL It was already repeatedly disproved multiple ways.

EVEN IF only Peter were given the keys, you again prove your denomination asserting a claim of authority it does not have. 'Only Peter' means, by definition, no other human people, including, none of the other Apostles and none of the other Popes. D'at different!

You cannot address the fallacy of your own ideology. EVEN IF Peter only was given the keys, it does not extend to the RCC. Instead of addressing this, you just ignore it. Said. RCC, the original heretics.

 

[Marymog]

Just read the passages I'm posting, lol.


I didn't even add to it. I just posted what the Bible so plainly says, lol!

I did read the passage you posted. It doesn't say anyone else but PETER was given the keys. Here it is again kiddo: I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

Show me a passage where keys were given to anyone and I will cede your point.

No, you didn't post what the bible said about PETER being the only person given keys. You posted the other Apostles given the authority to bind and loosen sin kiddo. Nice try.................

 

[Marymog]

I read my Bible and the Holy Spirit is my discerner. I listen to and fellowship with other like-minded born again believers who also have the Holy Spirit of discernment in them and we learn and grow up into Jesus together, just as God designed that to happen. I only listen to any Protestant teacher who's teaching conforms to the scriptures and the testimony of the Holy Spirit within me.

You crack me up......

 

[Marymog]

To the extent that you can forgive the person who sins against you and they receive it you have the power of binding and loosing, for Jesus said that just as that happens on earth between them it is done in heaven. READ YOUR BIBLE!


It's like you don't even listen to anything you're taught, lol. What a joke.

You are not a teacher kiddo. You are posting your OPINION/interpretation on what Scripture says. It is your OPINION that Peter receiving keys is equal to the other Apostles receiving keys. That is YOUR OPINION/interpretation. What you say is not what Scripture says

If you were honest, which you are not, you would repeat the words of Jesus. He gave the keys to Peter only.

And now another bible lesson for you from your teacher. Why was Peter given the keys which gives him primacy:

Peter alone among the apostles receives a new, solemnly conferred name, Rock, (Jn 1:42; Mt 16:18).

St. Peter's name occurs first in all lists of apostles (Mt 10:2; Mk 3:16; Lk 6:14; Acts 1:13). Matthew even calls him the “first” (10:2). Judas Iscariot is invariably mentioned last. This means something.

Christ teaches from Peter's boat, and a miraculous catch of fish follows (Lk 5:1-11): perhaps a metaphor for the pope as a “fisher of men” (cf. Mt 4:19).

Peter was the first apostle to enter the empty tomb of the risen Jesus (Jn 20:6).

St. Peter is specified by an angel as the leader and representative of the apostles (Mt 16:7: “tell his disciples and Peter . . .”).

Peter alone among the apostles is mentioned by name as having been prayed for by Jesus Christ in order that his “faith may not fail” (Lk 22:32).

Peter alone among the apostles is exhorted by Jesus to “strengthen” the Christian “brethren” (Lk 22:32).

St. Peter is the first to speak (and only one recorded) after Pentecost, so he was the first Christian to “preach the gospel” in the Church era (Acts 2:14-36).

Peter works the first miracle of the Church Age, healing a lame man (Acts 3:6-12).

Cornelius is told by an angel to seek out St. Peter for instruction in Christianity: (Acts 10:21-22) And Peter went down to the men and said, “I am the one you are looking for; what is the reason for your coming?” [22] And they said, “Cornelius, a centurion, an upright and God-fearing man, who is well spoken of by the whole Jewish nation, was directed by a holy angel to send for you to come to his house, and to hear what you have to say.”

Peter is the first to receive the Gentiles into the fellowship of the Christian Catholic Church, after a revelation from God (Acts 10:9-48).

Peter presides over and is pre-eminent in the first Church-wide council of Christianity (Acts 15:7-11).

Paul distinguishes the Lord's post-Resurrection appearances to St. Peter from those to other apostles (1 Cor 15:4-8). The two disciples on the road to Emmaus do the same (Lk 24:34), even though they themselves had just seen the risen Jesus within the previous hour (Lk 24:33).

Peter is regarded by the common people as the leader of Christianity (Acts 5:15: “as Peter came by at least his shadow might fall on some of them.”).

Peter was the first traveling missionary, and first to exercise the “visitation of the churches” (Acts 9:32-38, 43). Paul's missionary journeys begin in Acts 13:2.

Peter is regarded by Jesus as the Chief Shepherd after Himself (Jn 21:15-17: “Feed my lambs . . . Tend my sheep . . . feed my sheep.”), singularly by name, and over the universal Church, even though others have a similar but subordinate role (e.g., Acts 20:28; 1 Pet 5:1-2).

St. Peter's name is mentioned more often than all the other disciples put together: 191 times (162 as Peter or Simon Peter, 23 as Simon, and 6 as Cephas). John is next in frequency with only 48 appearances.

Bible lesson over kiddo.........