Spotting Heretics

[Jim B]

It is the word of God!

Calling it a “literary work” is equating it with secular writings.



“Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.” (Proverbs 3:5)

Peddlers of Textual Criticism depend on their reasoning, not faith.

There’s no discernment or concern how their works affect faith.

"Calling it a “literary work” is equating it with secular writings" in your mind perhaps, but not in the minds of those of us who think rationally.

"“Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.” (Proverbs 3:5) So according to you, human understanding is worthless (including your own!!!)?

"Peddlers of textual criticism" depend on their reasoning, unlike yourself. Clearly you don't rely on reasoning. It's obvious from your posts that you prefer to be unreasoning. That is not something to be proud of!

Nor is the lack of discernment or concern how your lack of reasoning affects your faith anything to be proud of.

Clearly you enter into some kind of trance when you read the KJV, suspending all critical thought and reasoning, and then (unbelievably) you boast about it! Does that give you some kind of "religious" feeling?

Isaiah 1:18a (from the KJV): "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord".

 

[Michiah-Imla]

human understanding is worthless (including your own!!!)?

Correct!

“For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding” (Colossians 1:9)

“It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.” (Psalms 118:8)

 

[Jim B]

Here are some excellent articles on textual criticism...

What is textual criticism? | Zondervan Academic and Textual Criticism: What It Is And Why You Need It - Westminster Theological SeminaryWestminster Theological Seminary (wts.edu)

If you mind is totally shut to knowledge they're worth reading.

 

[Jim B]

Correct!

“For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding” (Colossians 1:9)

“It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.” (Psalms 118:8)

Okay. It's obvious that your mind is closed.

BTW, if you're so opposed to human reasoning why do you post anything to this forum? Can't we all discern the truth by "spiritual understanding"? If so, what exactly is that?

And why do you quote words from the Bible? Can't we just discern everything from the air (or wherever)? Who needs a Bible, according to you? After all, reading the Bible involves reading!!!

 

[Jim B]

Correct!

“For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding” (Colossians 1:9)

“It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.” (Psalms 118:8)

You like Scriptural quotes? Okay, how's this: "Some things in these letters are hard to understand, things the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they also do to the rest of the scriptures." 2 Peter 3:16b

Kinda' goes against your dogma about knowledge being worthless!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

"Some things in these letters are hard to understand, things the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they also do to the rest of the scriptures." 2 Peter 3:16b

Kinda' goes against your dogma about knowledge being worthless!

I am not ignorant or unlearned (“unstable” is a bad modern translation).

I am knowledgeable of scripture very well and I am able to spiritually discern things.

Maybe you lack spiritually understanding which explains your love of modern Bibles.

“But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.” (1 Corinthians 2:15)

 

[Jim B]

On textual criticism...

Textual criticism does not undermine inerrancy. But we must remember that, strictly speaking, inerrancy applies to the autographs of the Bible, not to every manuscript of the Bible that was copied by non-apostolic, non-inspired copyists. Those who copied the Bible in antiquity were people just like us. Many of them were quite proficient copyists who produced very accurate manuscripts, but even so, no copy is perfect.

From Textual Criticism: What It Is And Why You Need It - Westminster Theological SeminaryWestminster Theological Seminary (wts.edu)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

It's obvious that your mind is closed

Yes, it is! No heresy or leaven is allowed in.

“Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee. Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:” (Isaiah 26:3-4)

BTW, if you're so opposed to human reasoning why do you post anything to this forum?

To appeal to spiritual reasoning.

 

[Jim B]

I am not ignorant or unlearned (“unstable” is a bad modern translation).

I am knowledgeable of scripture very well and I am able to spiritually discern things.

Maybe you lack spiritually understanding which explains your love of modern Bibles.

“But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.” (1 Corinthians 2:15)

"I am not ignorant or unlearned" in your opinion only.

"I am knowledgeable of scripture very well and I am able to spiritually discern things." is poor English and also, you clearly are not able to spiritually discern things.

"Maybe you lack spiritually understanding which explains your love of modern Bibles." is also poor English and is simply your (wrong) opinion.

Modern Bibles are truly excellent translations, done by the most capable people, using the best resources and the art/science of textual criticism. We have better Bibles now than in any other time in history!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

no copy is perfect.

There it is.

Thanks for the warning.

I’ll steer away from that subversive philosophy.

I have the perfect word of God.

Get yourself a King James Bible and get perfected!

 

[Jim B]

Yes, it is! No heresy or leaven is allowed in.

“Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee. Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:” (Isaiah 26:3-4)



To appeal to spiritual reasoning.

You are clearly delusional if you think that you have perfect understanding! Your posts are filled with errors, mental and spiritual.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Modern Bibles are truly excellent

How can they be “excellent” if nothing is perfect in your world?

 

[Jim B]

There it is.

Thanks for the warning.

I’ll steer away from that subversive philosophy.

I have the perfect word of God.

Get yourself a King James Bible and get perfected!

If you think that the King James Bible is "perfect", why has it been modified so many times? 421 changes to date!!!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Your posts are filled with errors

Just like the King James Bible?

I know what spirit you are of…

 

[Jim B]

How can they be “excellent” if nothing is perfect in your world?

Don't you understand the difference between "excellent" and "perfect"? Most modern Bible translations are excellent; no Bible translation is perfect (including the KJV). In fact, that's an impossibility, since the source documents differ from each other.

Again, the KJV has been modified 421 times!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

why has it been modified so many times? 421 changes to date!!!

Standardization of spelling and grammar changes nothing. It’s just visual stuff.

Why does the KJV anger you so much?

It’s quite irrational.

 

[Jim B]

Just like the King James Bible?

I know what spirit you are of…

You don't know anything but what your faulty mind tells you! I could just as easily say that I know what spirit you are of…

 

[Jim B]

Standardization of spelling and grammar changes nothing. It’s just visual stuff.

Why does the KJV anger you so much?

It’s quite irrational.

There are a lot more changes that have been made than spelling and grammar. BTW, why were those changes made to your "perfect" translation?

The KJV doesn't anger me at all. It's people like yourself that make the outlandish, untrue claim that it is the only valid translation. You swear by it and attack modern scholarship. That, to me, is irrational at best, demonic at worst.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Don't you understand the difference between "excellent" and "perfect"?

Um, perfect is a synonym for excellent.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

It's people like yourself that make the outlandish, untrue claim that it is the only valid translation.

Well, It's people like yourself that make outlandish and untrue claims that the KJV is the only translation filled with additions and errors that irk me!