mjrhealth said:
The disciples actually learnt from the Torah, then it was from Jesus Himself who showed them God,yet mostly they still did not understand, Than it was the Holy Spirit, after Pentecost, From that day on thats how the walked and taught" mostly" in the spirit. No books, they hadnt written any letters yet. But than someone decided to compile the bible, and what followed is mayhem and teh Holy Spirit is forgotten. No He was not sent to teach you the bible, He was sent to teach us the truth, but who need the Holy Spirit when you have pastors, and preachers and prophets to tell you what you want to hear. And so christians know the bible so well, but they do not know the heart of God, for they will not go to Jesus and learn from Him.
Mat_18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat_19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
Yes lets all meet at His feet and learn from Him, He has so much to teach us.
In All His Love
Jesus spoke to them as if they knew about the Law (Torah) and the Prophets and He even spoke to them about Solomon and the Book of Psalms. He mentioned Jonah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, and many other books, too.
I must be reading a different Bible than you.
Rev_21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.
And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
1Co_4:14
I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
1Co_14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual,
let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
2Co_1:13
For we write none other things unto you, than what ye read or acknowledge; and I trust ye shall acknowledge even to the end;
2Co_2:9
For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.
2Co_13:10
Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction.
Gal_1:20
Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.
Php_3:1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord.
To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
2Th_3:17 The salutation of Paul with mine own hand,
which is the token in every epistle: so I write.
1Ti_3:14
These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:
2Pe_3:1
This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
1Jn_1:4
And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
1Jn_2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn_2:8
Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
1Jn_2:12
I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
1Jn_2:13
I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning.
I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one.
I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
2Jn_1:12
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.
3Jn_1:13
I had many things to write, but I will not with ink and pen write unto thee:
Jud_1:3
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Rev_1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and,
What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Rev_1:19
Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
Rev_2:8
And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
Rev_2:12
And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
Rev_2:18
And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
Rev_3:1
And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
Rev_3:7
And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
Rev_3:14
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Rev_14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me,
Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Rev_19:9 And he saith unto me,
Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Rev_21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me,
Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Please look up every occurrence of Jesus saying, "It is written" in the Gospels. Jesus (through His Spirit) and the Apostles obviously continued to write to the Church after His death and resurrection.
You are diminishing the words that Jesus commanded to be written, and now I see you are diminishing the called of God, (pastors, preachers and prophets). I know your experience with religionists must be real bad, but MJR, there are true men of God out there that are called to pastor, preach and prophecy.
Act_8:28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot
read Esaias the prophet.
Act_8:30 And Philip ran thither to him,
and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
Act_8:32
The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
Act_15:31
Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.
2Co_1:13
For we write none other things unto you, than what ye read or acknowledge; and I trust ye shall acknowledge even to the end;
Eph_3:4
Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Col_4:16
And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.
1Th_5:27
I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.
Rom_1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith:
as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom_2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you,
as it is written.
Rom_3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar;
as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Rom_3:10
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom_4:17 (
As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Rom_4:23 Now it was not
written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
Rom_8:36
As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom_9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom_9:33
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom_10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom_11:8 (
According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Rom_11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved:
as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom_12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath:
for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Rom_14:11
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom_15:3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but,
as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.
Rom_15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we
through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
And there is much more.
Do you by chance have any problem with Paul or Jesus who were constantly referring to what was written or directing us to read the Scriptures?