Spiritual Warfare
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Behold
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Paul's "Spirit" is inside Paul, connected to God.
So, what you just wrote.... is "kinda crazy", and that's your "theology"., as usual.
You should try to "think" before you post.
Give that a try.
I agree that you do have a cruel sense of humor...., as your Cross Rejecting "here is my self righteousness trying to walk in Zion"... Theology, is definitely a religious Joke.
However its not funny.
Forgiveness is for all these..
1.) "All have sinned, there is non righteous, no not one."
2.) "Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS" (see #1 for the update on yourself @Episkopos
John 3:16.
Been there, thanks
I wouldn't be so hard on Paul. He uses the same words in different ways...whether "perfect" or "law".
It depends on the context and already understanding what Paul is referring to. As Paul says... God will show you by revelation what it means. (That's how I know)
I'm convinced that trying to understand what Paul is speaking about by ONLY reading the bible...by human logic, surmising, assuming and presuming... without revelation from God...will only set a person on a religious tangent that leads to death. Are we to trust our own understanding? Some will say they understand Paul, and yet there are thousands of denominations that all say the same.
In the above verse it's about a quality of PURITY...being cleansed from ALL sin by an ongoing abiding in Christ. Basically....holiness (that dreaded word among self-righteous proclaimers of a grace without such....therefore false).
People do not go in and out of maturity as they do a holy place. Maturity of the spiritual kind is found in the full stature of Christ. Winning Christ is different...that's to walk in Christ's perfection...in holiness. (there's that hated word again!)
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Episkopos said:
... I walk in Paul's spirit.
Epi..., how on earth can you walk in Paul’s spirit, if you have been Born Again of imperishable seed.
You should be walking in the Holy Spirit .....we are spirit children, “Born Of The Spirit “.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
... I walk in Paul's spirit.
Epi..., how on earth can you walk in Paul’s spirit, if you have been Born Again of imperishable seed.
You should be walking in the Holy Spirit .....we are spirit children, “Born Of The Spirit “.
Galatians 5:16-26
King James Version
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Matt. 5:48
There are at least 3 words in Hebrew that could be cited that are translated in the bible as "perfect. But seemingly only one in Greek (telios).
But if you look at the context and the wording...we could replace the word "perfect" with "holy". And then try the sentence again...to read as follows...
Be ye therefore holy, even as your heavenly Father is holy.
Does it fit with the rest of the bible? Now some here will disagree.....but, there are a number of times where God's people are exhorted to be holy for God is holy.
Conclusion: So then the perfection of Christ is in holiness...as we partake of HIS holiness we become perfect, or holy, as the Father is. In Him is no sin.
Revelations you claim like that of Paul, divine visitations and not a word on sanctification-where were you transferred/translated to upon receiving divine revelations?
And then bring a message contrary to what stands written in our Scriptures?
Holiness in the biblical context means being set apart, consecrated, or dedicated to God. It encompasses purity, moral integrity, and living in a manner that reflects God's character and commands.
Old Testament Perspective
Leviticus 11:44:
"For I am the LORD your God. You shall therefore consecrate yourselves, and you shall be holy; for I am holy."
Leviticus 19:2:
"Speak to all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say to them: 'You shall be holy, for I the LORD your God am holy.'"
In the Old Testament, holiness is primarily about being set apart for God’s purposes. The Israelites were called to be distinct from other nations through their adherence to God’s laws, which included ceremonial practices, dietary restrictions, and moral commandments.
New Testament Perspective
1 Peter 1:15-16:
"But as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, because it is written, 'Be holy, for I am holy.'"
Ephesians 1:4:
"Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love."
In the New Testament, holiness is emphasized as a moral and ethical quality, aligning with the character of Christ. Believers are called to live in a manner that reflects their relationship with God through Christ, exhibiting purity, love, and righteousness.
Synthesis
Holiness involves both separation from sin and dedication to God. It means living a life that is distinct from worldly values and practices, characterized by moral integrity, purity, and obedience to God’s commandments.
Grammar and Syntax
The phrase "Be ye therefore holy, even as your heavenly Father is holy" is grammatically correct. Here’s a breakdown of its components:
Imperative Verb: "Be ye" is an imperative, commanding action from the reader or listener.
Adverbial Clause: "Therefore" connects the command to preceding arguments or reasons.
Predicate Adjective: "Holy" describes the state or condition being commanded.
Comparative Clause: "Even as your heavenly Father is holy" provides the standard of holiness, linking it to the nature of God.
Conclusion
To be holy, according to the scriptures, means to be set apart for God, reflecting His character and living in obedience to His commands. This involves moral purity, ethical integrity, and dedication to God’s purposes. The grammatical construction of the biblical command emphasizes both the action required ("be holy") and the standard for that action ("as your heavenly Father is holy").
Not so. Holiness for us is a place...IN Christ with God in heaven. I have stated on more than one occasion that the higher walk is in holiness.
No. Receiving things FROM heaven is not the same going TO heaven by translation by the Spirit.
The contrary message comes from people who have neither received revelation from the Lord nor been translated into the higher walk of holiness that is found IN Christ.
So there is a decoy gospel that has no power to do anything but pretend to have a religious justification in some afterlife and that fools the self-interest of the carnal mind into acceptance...OR..the gospel of grace which is the power that translates a person into the kingdom walk in the Spirit...to walk as Jesus walked in the higher walk in holiness.
Given a choice, almost all will choose the decoy...the same way the crowd (mob) ALWAYS shouts for Barabbas. Only the wise will hear this and depart from iniquity. The others will rail as they do.
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People here with as a yet un-seared conscience should wonder why they are so hostile to the idea of a higher walk in holiness. What, do people think they already know all there is to know about God? Is God not infinite? Where does the pride and hubris come from some here who deny the upward call into holiness?
I know that some here....when I say upward call, have a program running in their mind that says..."salvation by works, salvation by works..
But if you resist the devil he will flee.
Being translated into the kingdom walk in the Spirit is BY FAITH. That's why it's so rare these days. It's by faith, not beliefs. God is pleased with faith but He is against beliefs. These are at odds....these are at war.
I know that some here....when I say upward call, have a program running in their mind that says..."salvation by works, salvation by works..
But if you resist the devil he will flee.
Being translated into the kingdom walk in the Spirit is BY FAITH. That's why it's so rare these days. It's by faith, not beliefs. God is pleased with faith but He is against beliefs. These are at odds....these are at war.
So if we are to extrapolate, tally, carry the one, and come to a conclusion, are you for or against the upward call into holiness? I mean, just for the record.
Wrong--
Is Holiness a "Place"?
In both Hebrew and Greek, the concept of holiness is not inherently a "place," but rather a state of being or a quality that can be attributed to places, objects, people, and God Himself. However, holiness can be associated with specific places that are set apart for divine purposes.
FROM or going--are you on a par with our brother Paul?
Just read Romans 8 and you have your answer. No need for foreign, worldly terminologies.
Rom 8:1 Set Free from the Law of Sin and Death
¶ Consequently, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what was impossible for the law, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did . By [*Here “by ” is supplied as a component of the participle (“sending”) which is understood as means] sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and concerning sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,
Rom 8:4 in order that the requirement of the law would be fulfilled in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For those who are living according to the flesh are intent on the things of the flesh, but those who are living according to the Spirit are intent on the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For the mindset of the flesh is death, but the mindset of the Spirit is life and peace,
Rom 8:7 because the mindset of the flesh is enmity toward God, for it is not subjected to the law of God, for it is not able to do so ,
Rom 8:8 and those who are in the flesh are not able to please God.
Rom 8:9 ¶ But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, this person does not belong to him [Literally “is not of him”].
Rom 8:10 But if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 And if the Spirit of the one who raised Jesus from the dead lives in you, the one who raised Christ Jesus [Some manuscripts omit “Jesus”] from the dead will also make alive your mortal bodies through his Spirit who lives in you.
Heirs with Christ
Rom 8:12 ¶ So then, brothers, we are obligated not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh, you are going to die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Rom 8:14 For all those who are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry out, “Abba! [“Abba” means “father” in Aramaic] Father!”
Rom 8:16 The Spirit himself confirms to our spirit that we are children of God,
Rom 8:17 and if children, also heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer together with him so that we may also be glorified together with him .
Future Glory
Rom 8:18 The Glory that is to be Revealed
¶ For I consider that the sufferings of the present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is about to be revealed to us.
Rom 8:19 For the eagerly expecting creation awaits eagerly the revelation of the sons of God.
Rom 8:20 For the creation has been subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of the one who subjected it , in hope
Rom 8:21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its servility to decay, into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groans together and suffers agony together until now.
Rom 8:23 Not only this , but we ourselves also, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves while we [*Here “while ” is supplied as a component of the participle (“await eagerly”) which is understood as temporal] await eagerly our adoption, the redemption of our body.
Rom 8:24 For in hope we were saved, but hope that is seen is not hope, for who hopes for what he sees?
Rom 8:25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we await it eagerly with patient endurance.
Rom 8:26 ¶ And likewise also, the Spirit helps us in our weakness, for we do not know how to pray as one ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with unexpressed groanings.
Rom 8:27 And the one who searches our hearts knows what the mindset of the Spirit is , because he intercedes on behalf of the saints according to the will of God.
Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good for those who love God, for those who are called according to his purpose,
Rom 8:29 because those whom he foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, so that he should be the firstborn among many brothers.
Rom 8:30 And those whom he predestined, these he also called, and those whom he called, these he also justified, and those whom he justified, these he also glorified.
God's Everlasting Love
Rom 8:31 Victory in Christ
¶ What then shall we say about these things ? If God is for us, who can be against us?
Rom 8:32 Indeed, he who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all, how will he not also, together with him, freely give us all things ?
Rom 8:33 Who will bring charges against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies.
Rom 8:34 Who is the one who condemns? Christ [Some manuscripts have “Christ Jesus”] is the one who died, and more than that, who was raised, who is also at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
Rom 8:35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will affliction or distress or persecution or hunger or lack of sufficient clothing or danger or the sword?
Rom 8:36 Just as it is written,
“On account of you we are being put to death the whole day long ;
we are considered as sheep for slaughter.” [A quotation from Ps 44:22]
Rom 8:37 ¶ No , but in all these things we prevail completely through the one who loved us.
Rom 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,
Rom 8:39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
True...taken many years for the Lord to get me to understand faith....from the measure that he gave me when I first became Born Again.
I could never not believe that God is who he says he is, ....yet, I’ve had to get to a place Epi, Of truly trusting God in every single situation....
My faith has grown leaps and bounds in that area....it’s taken so very long to understand it though!
I know in my heart/ spirit he is most definitely in control of my life...I just now rest in him and let him get on with it...anxiety is a thing of the past..my testimony and belief.
Philippians 3:14
"I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus."
In this verse, the Apostle Paul speaks of striving towards the goal set by God's call. While the "upward call" specifically refers to the call to eternal life and heavenly reward, it also encompasses the broader context of living a life that reflects Christ's holiness and righteousness.
1 Peter 1:15-16
"But as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, because it is written, 'Be holy, for I am holy.'"
Peter explicitly connects the call to holiness with the nature of God Himself. Believers are exhorted to mirror God's holiness in their behavior.
Hebrews 12:14
"Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord."
The writer of Hebrews emphasizes the necessity of holiness for seeing the Lord, reinforcing the idea that believers are called to an ongoing, active pursuit of holiness.
Ephesians 4:1
"I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called."
Paul urges the Ephesians to live in a manner worthy of their calling, which includes living in holiness and righteousness.
1 Thessalonians 4:7
"For God did not call us to uncleanness, but in holiness."
This passage clearly states that God's call to believers is a call to holiness, contrasting it with a life of impurity.
Romans 12:1-2
"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God."
Paul encourages believers to offer their lives as a holy sacrifice, indicating a call to live in a manner that is distinct and pleasing to God.
Conclusion
The "upward call to holiness" is a pervasive theme in the New Testament, urging believers to strive for a life that reflects God's holy nature and commands. Passages in Philippians, 1 Peter, Hebrews, Ephesians, 1 Thessalonians, and Romans all emphasize different aspects of this call, highlighting the importance of pursuing holiness in thought, word, and deed as an integral part of the Christian walk.
What's the problem?
Behold
Well-Known Member
There is no ""hostility"" toward a deeper walk of faith, "in Christ".
The "hostility" is that a Cross denier, who stated that "The Cross is not about Forgiveness", because you dont think your sins need to be forgiven... @Episkopos ...
And you posted that """"God does not provide His Righteousness"""" when it fact, its "The Gift of Righteousness" that every believer RECEIVES, as "The Gift of Salvation"..
So, when someone like you, who has proven you have no understanding of "God's Righteousness". (Salvation) ... presumes to continually insult the Christians on the Forum, who understand God's Amazing Grace... ...then as you do this to have fun, then you get what you deserve., but not quite as much as you deserve.
Eternally Grateful
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Paul could not do it (Roman’s 7) so I am not going to boast and point to or focus on self thinking I can do it am I better than Paul?
LOL. That's an important word for you. ;)
So you are saying you are not against God having a holy place for those who are translated to walk as Jesus walked?
What kind of human reasoning is that? My race is to both win Christ and walk as He walked. How others did so is not my concern beyond the encouragement that mortal men have done wonders in the past. Did Paul compare himself to Abraham, David, Moses, Samuel? Only a carnal mind can come up with these comparisons....that only God can see and judge.
But I have no petty illusions about myself or the time we are living in...where faith so SO RARE...and hostility to the true God is so rampant among those who give lip-service to a caricature of Him...but deny Him at every turn in truth.
I like this shade of red. What's your point? ....beyond some coloured passages that testify to the higher walk in the Spirit?
Eternally Grateful
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Yep
But you still do not focus on others 24/7. I have never met a soul who has done this and do not expect to until I get to heaven with my glorified brothers and sisters
But if you want to focus on self. Feel free (that’s in affect what your doing when you claim you are sinless)
(Notice how the word "holiness" is ignored, obfuscated and avoided.) Look at how the cross is made to be about something that already existed (God's bountiful mercy, patience, and forgiveness) whereas the TRUE nature of the cross is about santification (holiness).
We are not to focus on others, but to focus on Christ and love others as we love ourselves. Christ is to guide us in our relationship with others, how much time to give them, what to say to them, whether to break contact with them.
With our total focus on Christ, we have zero desire to sin.
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