Sons of God

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

From Genesis 6:4 we know the Nephilim, or fallen ones, were going to return after the flood. Easily this can be explained from the eight, and the curse given by Noah. Surely one of the wives could have come from the line of Cain.

To approach from the other side, maybe the angels didn't stop their attempt to thwart God's plan.

Cain has nothing to do with any of this. Sins are passed through the father, not the woman. You're reasoning is so flawed, if I didn't know better I'd say you're just making things up. You're just regurgitating the serpent seed nonsense.

 

[aspen]

I think it is tempting to try and fill in information that is simply unknown from what we can see in the Bible. There is quite a bit of information that was not included in the scriptures

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I think it is tempting to try and fill in information that is simply unknown from what we can see in the Bible. There is quite a bit of information that was not included in the scriptures

That is why we have to be prudent and judge what we know; not speculate wildly about obscure sciptures as if we know something, thinking that God is pleased with such iniquitous excess. God wants us to have sober minds that are grounded in reality, not ones that indulge in fanciful speculation. God is not pleased with unstable imaginations.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If the Nephilim were somehow born of demon 'seed', then why were there still these people after the flood, as mentioned in Numbers 13:33?

It's a continuation of the ungodly ideas behind the serpent seed doctrine, which teaches that Cain is the offspring of sexual union between Eve and the serpent. Righteouness is based on race: descendents of Adam are the godly seed; descendents of Cain are the devil's, or serpent's, seed. The devil's seed crosses the divide of the flood through women.

But these ideas are so contrary to godly doctrine that teaches righteousness is through God's election entirely independent of race, and sins are passed through the father to the third and fourth generations.

 

[Lively Stone]

That is why we have to be prudent and judge what we know; not speculate wildly about obscure sciptures as if we know something, thinking that God is pleased with such iniquitous excess. God wants us to have sober minds that are grounded in reality, not ones that indulge in fanciful speculation. God is not pleased with unstable imaginations.

This is true and grounded in Godly wisdom, standing firm against those who place a false high value on esoteric notions, embellishing them then offering them as Biblical truth.

Contrary, ideed.

 

[justaname]

That is why we have to be prudent and judge what we know; not speculate wildly about obscure sciptures as if we know something, thinking that God is pleased with such iniquitous excess. God wants us to have sober minds that are grounded in reality, not ones that indulge in fanciful speculation. God is not pleased with unstable imaginations.

When it comes to the Word of God and His holy writ, I feel it prudent to understand what it says, no matter how obscure the scripture for man does not live on bread alone. Genesis speaks of the very beginnings of this world, and the history our God wants us to know. Thank His blessing of the age to be able to easily speak to others as passionate with Christ as ourselves. Through the HolySpirit and fellowship we are able to assert truth in interpretation.

For the verse in discussion this is Young's Literal Translation 1 Cor 11:10 "because of this the woman ought to have a token of authority upon the head, because of the messengers;"
Here messenger is used although messenger is a form of an angel, like arch angel.

 

[Redeemed86]

Though it is obviously a different kind of angel, this verse is one to consider imo:


Hebrews 13

Concluding Exhortations

[sup]1[/sup] Keep on loving one another as brothers and sisters. [sup]2[/sup] Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. [sup]3[/sup]Continue to remember those in prison as if you were together with them in prison, and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering.

 

[Lively Stone]

Though it is obviously a different kind of angel, this verse is one to consider imo:


Hebrews 13

Concluding Exhortations

[sup]1[/sup] Keep on loving one another as brothers and sisters. [sup]2[/sup] Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. [sup]3[/sup]Continue to remember those in prison as if you were together with them in prison, and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering.

Why make a consideration based on that verse? Isn't that what we call twisiting scripture to make it fit a preceonceived notion? That is what sinners do to excuse their sin.

 

[Phillip]

Literal translation:
And it came to be that the man [האדם; ha adam] started to be a multitude upon the face of the ground; and daughters were born to them, And sons of the Elohim [i.e., the godly seed of Adam] saw the daughters of the man [האדם; ha adam] because they were good ones; and they took women to them from all whom they chose. ... They became the distinguised ones in the land in those days. And also after that sons of the Elohim came to the daughters of the man [האדם; ha adam], and they gave birth to them, the masterful men who are from a vanishing point [a distant age; out of sight], mortals of the name [השם; ha shem; i.e., YHWH]. Genesis 6:1-4

Excellent post, perfect answer :) No need to imagine anything in addition to the word of God :)

 

[Redeemed86]

Why make a consideration based on that verse? Isn't that what we call twisiting scripture to make it fit a preceonceived notion? That is what sinners do to excuse their sin.

I posted a verse without any personal interpretation. I realize I didn't link this scripture with another supporting scripture, but I wouldn't call that twisting scripture or enough evidence to accuse me of having the likeness of a sinner.

My interpretation of this verse is that there have been unfallen angels who walked or inhabit the earth as actual men. If they did it, why would rebellious fallen angels be any different? I don't think there is anything pre-concieved about it.

..On second read, I realize Angelina, in post #15, has made the point I was gonna make about Lot and the angels in Genesis 19.

Well said, Angelina :)

 

[Lively Stone]

I posted a verse without any personal interpretation. I realize I didn't link this scripture with another supporting scripture, but I wouldn't call that twisting scripture or enough evidence to accuse me of having the likeness of a sinner.

My meaning was to point out that sinners use that very tack to rationalize their lack of repentance and to put forward their sin as nothing.

My interpretation of this verse is that there have been unfallen angels who walked or inhabit the earth as actual men. If they did it, why would rebellious fallen angels be any different? I don't think there is anything pre-concieved about it.

..On second read, I realize Angelina, in post #15, has made the point I was gonna make about Lot and the angels in Genesis 19.

Well said, Angelina :)

Angels who serve God inhabit heaven, but work in this realm on His behalf. Angels who serve Satan live and work within the first (this earthly realm), and second heaven.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The word Bene Elohim [Hebrew] occurrs four times in the OT. Genesis 6:4, Job 1:6, Job 2:1and Job 38:7
This word refers specifically to angels [angelic beings].

The bible says that God made "everything after it's kind. It would then be impossible for normal human parents to produce giants such as the Nephilim were and there is no evidence in the bible or in history that can prove that marriages between believers and unbelievers could spawn offspring who were giants exhibiting great strength and might...

Your argument is based on a word that neither you, now anyone else, really knows the meaning. And your argument is undermined by the facts that (1) nephilim appears again in Numbers 13:33, where its translation as giant in the sense you are implying is not required, and (2) when physical giants are indeed mentioned, the word rephaim is always used, and (3) nephillim is also used in Ezekiel 32:2 in reference to the uncircumcised (Philistines).

 

[Angelina]

Thanks Redeemed ^_^

If the Nephilim were somehow born of demon 'seed', then why were there still these people after the flood, as mentioned in Numbers 13:33?

Please note verse 4 again...

Genesis 6
[sup]4[/sup] The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

It can only be concluded that the term "afterward" refers to after the flood. :)

Numbers 13:33, Deuteronomy 2:20-21, Deuteronomy 3:11, 1 Samuel 17:4, 2 Samuel 21:15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21-22

Your argument is based on a word that neither you, now anyone else, really knows the meaning. And your argument is undermined by the facts that (1) nephilim appears again in Numbers 13:33, where its translation as giant in the sense you are implying is not required, and (2) when physical giants are indeed mentioned, the word rephaim is always used, and (3) nephillim is also used in Ezekiel 32:2 in reference to the uncircumcised (Philistines).

1. I made my point in the above statement.
2. Only after the Genesis flood. The Rephaim - from the root rapha = spirits, shades, dead ones Gen. 14:5. Many giant races began to appear again after the flood.

3. 1 Samuel 17:4 Goliath the champion of the Philistines was a giant.

2 Samuel 21
[sup]18[/sup] In the course of time, there was another battle with the Philistines, at Gob. At that time Sibbekai the Hushathite killed Saph, one of the descendants of Rapha.
[sup]19[/sup] In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jair[sup]][/sup] the Bethlehemite killed the brother of Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod.
[sup]20[/sup] In still another battle, which took place at Gath, there was a huge man with six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot—twenty-four in all. He also was descended from Rapha. [sup]21[/sup] When he taunted Israel, Jonathan son of Shimeah, David’s brother, killed him.
[sup]22[/sup] These four were descendants of Rapha in Gath, and they fell at the hands of David and his men.


Shalom!!!

 

[Lively Stone]

I guess when we come across a person with giantism that we need to assume they are nephilim?

 

[Angelina]

I'm about 5'3 1/2, 5.4 with wedges. My friends cousin is 6'5 and her husband is 6'8. When I see them...I think "here come the Nephilim" LOL!

 

[veteran]

The Biblical 'evidence' of the existence of the product, i.e., giants (Nephilim) is enough proof that reveals they were a hybrid race not produced by natural means.

Bible-believing Christians could care less what the liberal Lefist unbelieving professors of religious studies at modern universities say about it.

Jude 1 reveals those sons of God of Genesis 6 as angels that left their own habitation and first estate to do what they did. And the Gen.6:4 phrase "men of renown" for them points to the ancient mythologies of gods upon the earth with people worshiping them. Because of all this, God brought the flood of Noah's day, and then assigned Israel to specifically wipe out the nations of Canaan where the giants resided.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The Biblical 'evidence' of the existence of the product, i.e., giants (Nephilim) is enough proof that reveals they were a hybrid race not produced by natural means.

There is no evidence. Only wild, rampant speculation and logical fallacies.

 

[Angelina]

Amen Vet!
I agree with you 100% :)

God brought the flood of Noah's day, and then assigned Israel to specifically wipe out the nations of Canaan where the giants resided.

If Israel had destroyed those races around them as God commanded, David would not of needed to contend with them later on...

HRFTD - read your bible, it's all in there...

Blessings!!!

 

[veteran]

There is no evidence. Only wild, rampant speculation and logical fallacies.

That's exactly what many university professors of religious studies say, and a lot of them don't believe on Christ Jesus as The Saviour, so it's no wonder they don't heed God's Holy Writ as Truth.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

That's exactly what many university professors of religious studies say, and a lot of them don't believe on Christ Jesus as The Saviour, so it's no wonder they don't heed God's Holy Writ as Truth.

The difference between them and me is that I do "believe on Christ Jesus as The Saviour" and very definately do "heed God's Holy Writ as Truth." The difference between you and me, apparently, is that I believe that God gives us, and expects us to use, a sound mind that is able to think rationally to evaluate all evidence, and avoid logical fallacies.