Something I said that has long bothered me

[deeptinker]

Years ago when I was in a lot of emotional pain, I told the Holy Spirit if he wanted me to be in this much pain to just leave me. It's always bothered/scared me. Is this something I should be concerned about? I've asked for forgiveness. Worst case, I feel if I can ask him to leave, then I can ask him to come back. The scripture that gives me the most comfort is "....no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit." Any thoughts? thanks.

 

[mjrhealth]

God wishes pain upon no man, that is a lie from Hell itself, Gods arms are longer than mens opinions of Him, the Holy Spirit is a gift from Jesus, accept Him. i know of few people who walk with Christ who do not suffer. the enemy chooses to break us down, its Christ that gives us strength to stand.

In all his Love

 

[Niki]

Hi deep ~

What I thought of right away, was Peter denying Jesus three times. Jesus restored him and in fact, went out of His way to restore him.

I am sorry for the pain you have suffered and that it hurt so much you said what you did. I have spoken out of turn at times myself and have repented and
made amends.

One thing, God does understand and Jesus has been tempted and has suffered also. However, unlike us, Jesus never gave in to temptation...whether
to walk away from pain (Garden of Gethsemane) or any other thing which is why He was able to take our sins upon Himself as He was sinless.

I guess you may still need to pray about this...not that God has not forgiven you because He has if you asked Him to. But pray for peace on this matter and
that you would not come under false conviction from the devil...don't let the devil finger you for something God has already forgiven.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. I John 1:9

Hope this helps. I understand what you are saying here so I am positive that God certainly does.

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

I think you should fear nothing short of an ongoing, lifelong rejection of God. But let's run a comparison. Jesus tells us that if anyone denies him, Jesus will deny that person before the Father. Taken in its most simplistic sense, Peter was lost to perdition when he thrice denied Jesus as he was being carried away in chains. We know he clearly wasn't and that what Jesus was talking about was living a life that denies Christ.

I'll tell you right now that I don't believe in "once saved always saved" but with that said, the Bible makes clear that we are saved not by perishable things like gold and silver, but by the precious blood of Christ. God's hold on you is by no means flimsy, nor can it be broken by a single act or a word misspoken.

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

Years ago when I was in a lot of emotional pain, I told the Holy Spirit if he wanted me to be in this much pain to just leave me. It's always bothered/scared me. Is this something I should be concerned about? I've asked for forgiveness. Worst case, I feel if I can ask him to leave, then I can ask him to come back. The scripture that gives me the most comfort is "....no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit." Any thoughts? thanks.

I believe it's the rejection or the abandonment/apostasy from the LORD JESUS CHRIST the scriptures indicate you and all should be concerned with. Besides, you know the drill. 1 John !:9 :)

NB: I don't think this qualifies as blasphemy against the holy spirit although we can grieve him. Ephesians 4:30

 

[Angelina]

The Holy Spirit knows your heart DT and he promises never to leave us - even when we speak out of turn. :)

 

[FHII]

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth. Sometimes the Truth hurts, and um.... It's meant to hurt. God knows how to inflict pain. I get real tired of all these pansy people who continously tell you God doesn't want you to have pain... He's a God of love, and sometimes that involves dragging you through pain.

Emotional pains the worst... I'd rather have broken limbs than emotional pain.

Romans 8:28 says all things work together for good to them that love God, to them that are the called.... And so forth.

It's easy enough to rejoice at the nice things, but we cannot forget the hard things that work together for our good. Think of Joseph the son of Jacob.... He went through quite a bit didn't he? Yet his life not only turned out pretty well, it saved all of Israel!

So what are your going through that is as bad as that? I am going through something much worse actuallly... But I leave it in God's hands. I'm looking at something that is unforgivable except by God, that I don't want to talk about. And I don't even know if God will forgive it.

God wishes no pain on any man? That is about the biggest lie I've heard! He does! Healing pain for some but pestilence on others!

 

[Angelina]

God has a way of taking us through trials so that when we come out the other end, we are refined by fire and that particular area looses it's power over us... :)

 

[FHII]

...and sometimes that means a big kick i the rear end that hurts real bad, Angelina. Don't sugar coat it. When you sugar coat it it makes it look good. Sometimes it hurts and that is good. There is pain with God....

 

[Angelina]

FHII, I am not sugarcoating anything...trials are not sugarcoated experiences believe me. :huh:

 

[FHII]

Sorry.... Guess I'm a bit grumpy!

 

[Angelina]

We can all get grumpy at times FHII :) you can chat with me about anything you know...I am a good listener...

Be Blessed!

 

[Niki]

...and sometimes that means a big kick i the rear end that hurts real bad, Angelina. Don't sugar coat it. When you sugar coat it it makes it look good. Sometimes it hurts and that is good. There is pain with God....

God does not cause us pain, our own sins do. No one is sugar coating anything.

God wishes no pain on any man? That is about the biggest lie I've heard! He does! Healing pain for some but pestilence on others!

Again, it is our sin that causes pain. I don't know you, but you are being reckless in the way you are responding here.

The op states that they were ALREADY in pain when they said what they did and is questioning the forgiveness of God NOT whether or not
we ever have pain.

 

[deeptinker]

I appreciate the replies, but there seems to be too much focus on the pain part. My concern is about me telling the Holy Spirit to leave....As we know, we must have the Holy Spirit to have salvation. I think I'm okay, but this has always burdened me.

 

[FHII]

God does not cause us pain, our own sins do. No one is sugar coating anything.



Again, it is our sin that causes pain. I don't know you, but you are being reckless in the way you are responding here.

The op states that they were ALREADY in pain when they said what they did and is questioning the forgiveness of God NOT whether or not
we ever have pain.

Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten; be zealous therefore, and repent.

If you want to say we experience pain because of our sins, I can see that. However, if you've ever been rebuked by God (and I a serious rebuke and not something trivial) you know that it can hurt. Yes, God can and does cause pain and thank God for it. I'm not being reckless, I'm being truthful....

People got the wrong idea about pain. Sure, it can be a punishment, but it's more of a message that something isn't right and needs to be fixed. That's true with both physical and emotional pain.

 

[Niki]

However, if you've ever been rebuked by God (and I a serious rebuke and not something trivial) you know that it can hurt. Yes, God can and does cause pain and thank God for it. I'm not being reckless, I'm being truthful....

People got the wrong idea about pain. Sure, it can be a punishment, but it's more of a message that something isn't right and needs to be fixed. That's true with both physical and emotional pain.

uh huh. and why the rebuke? because we pleased God? of course not...the only thing that causes pain is sin.

I'm really not sure what your point is. I think you are trying to prove something that you may believe, but all the pain and suffering in this world is a direct result of sin.

Anyway, this is pretty far off the op and not something he wishes to talk about so I am going to respect his post.

 

[biggandyy]

The Holy Spirit dwells in a believer NOT at the behest of the believer. His dwelling within our heart is at the pleasure of the Father, as a surety (guarantee) that when we close our eyes in this life for the final time we will open our eyes in the next in the presence of Christ and all His angels.

There is nothing you can do, say, think, feel, that can dispel the Holy Spirit from your life once you have been reborn in that same Spirit. You can choose to ignore the prompting and teaching and rebuking from the Holy Spirit, but He can never be cast aside as one would an old newspaper.

 

[FHII]

uh huh. and why the rebuke? because we pleased God? of course not...the only thing that causes pain is sin.

I'm really not sure what your point is. I think you are trying to prove something that you may believe, but all the pain and suffering in this world is a direct result of sin.

Anyway, this is pretty far off the op and not something he wishes to talk about so I am going to respect his post.

The sin might get you the spanking, but God's the one often swinging the paddle.... Sin is the reason for the pain, God's the cause of it. It isn't something I have to prove , it's just the way it is.

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

I appreciate the replies, but there seems to be too much focus on the pain part. My concern is about me telling the Holy Spirit to leave....As we know, we must have the Holy Spirit to have salvation. I think I'm okay, but this has always burdened me.

Many of the replies addressed your specific question. I just wonder what church teaches you that salvation is such a fragile thing as to be lost forever in the throes of a temporary juvenile tantrum?

 

[FHII]

I appreciate the replies, but there seems to be too much focus on the pain part. My concern is about me telling the Holy Spirit to leave....As we know, we must have the Holy Spirit to have salvation. I think I'm okay, but this has always burdened me.

I apologize for getting off track... I don't have an answer to your OP.... However, you did say you asked if the HG really wants you in that much pain [paraphrasing]. If you are a Child of God, of course not. God may be the cause of the pain, but it was to get you on the right path again. He doesn't want his children in pain.... That's why it's painful! I do believe he wants you to react and take the necessary steps to correct it.

In short, I think you are ok if you worded it that way.