So what does the divinity of Jesus really mean, anyway?

[Ritajanice]

Colossians 1​

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1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,
2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
7 As ye also learned of Epaphras our dear fellowservant, who is for you a faithful minister of Christ;
8 Who also declared unto us your love in the Spirit.
9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.


RJ says..if it wasn’t for Jesus , nothing would consist...there would be no reconciliation back to God, Jesus had to die and be resurrected, our spirit is reconciled back to God..not human knowledge of the Bible ...that is why our spirit must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God..if you don’t understand that, then you won’t understand the inspired word, as it’s the Living Spirit who leads us through scripture and brings it to our understanding....the Spirit is Gods Living Witness/ testimony...he witnesses Gods truth to our heart/ spirit..the Bible confirms this truth.


We are reconciled back to God through Jesus.no one can come to the Father except through the Son...the Spirit of Christ reconciles our spirit back to God..hence Spirit gives birth to spirit!

Whatever The Spirit places on my heart to post.i am obedient and just let the Spirit speak through me...which is also an anointing from the Living God....we also can never abuse our anointing, we are partakers Of the divine nature..Born Again of imperishable seed.

I love being used by God as his vessel that he speaks through, I’m here to declare that God is a Living Spirit, he is not a Bible, the Bible confirms that God is a Living Spirit..


18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

 

[Brakelite]

Colossians 1​

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1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,
2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
7 As ye also learned of Epaphras our dear fellowservant, who is for you a faithful minister of Christ;
8 Who also declared unto us your love in the Spirit.
9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.


RJ says..if it wasn’t for Jesus , nothing would consist...there would be no reconciliation back to God, Jesus had to die and be resurrected, our spirit is reconciled back to God..not human knowledge of the Bible ...that is why our spirit must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God..if you don’t understand that, then you won’t understand the inspired word, as it’s the Living Spirit who leads us through scripture and brings it to our understanding....the Spirit is Gods Living Witness/ testimony...he witnesses Gods truth to our heart/ spirit..the Bible confirms this truth.


We are reconciled back to God through Jesus.no one can come to the Father except through the Son...the Spirit of Christ reconciles our spirit back to God..hence Spirit gives birth to spirit!

Whatever The Spirit places on my heart to post.i am obedient and just let the Spirit speak through me...which is also an anointing from the Living God....we also can never abuse our anointing, we are partakers Of the divine nature..Born Again of imperishable seed.

I love being used by God as his vessel that he speaks through, I’m here to declare that God is a Living Spirit, he is not a Bible, the Bible confirms that God is a Living Spirit..


18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

All those scriptures are absolute truth. But do they deny the Divinity of the Son of God Who inherited the Father's life, His name, and His authority?

 

[Ritajanice]

All those scriptures are absolute truth. But do they deny the Divinity of the Son of God Who inherited the Father's life, His name, and His authority?

Of course the Son was divine..only he wasn’t God...he came from God’s mouth..he came as a seed from God and grew in Mary womb..that is my belief.

 

[Brakelite]

Of course the Son was divine..only he wasn’t God...he came from God’s mouth..he came as a seed from God and grew in Mary womb..that is my belief.

The Father called His Son God. Doesn't mean the Son is the one true God, as Jesus Himself said. But let's simply take God at His word. What is begotten of God can only be God begotten.

 

[Ritajanice]

The Father called His Son God. Doesn't mean the Son is the one true God, as Jesus Himself said. But let's simply take God at His word. What is begotten of God can only be God begotten.

I do take God at his word.

Jesus never once called himself God....he came to serve his Father and do his will.

A Born Again should also represent God...we can’t do that just by merely quoting scripture...we must be Born Of the Spirit, only then can we be led by the Spirit, plus we are then recognised by God as his children...( spirit children)..we seek God out with our heart...as we are Born Again and Alive in the Spirit.....we aren’t alive in bible reading/ knowledge...the Bible is Gods confirmation..it confirms all about the Living rebirth, plus that God is A Mighty Living Spirit...he is not contained in the Bible...God Spirit cannot be contained....

If Jesus was God, then Jesus wouldn’t be sitting at his Father’s right hand, plus his Father has already exalted His Name Above all other names....why would God exalt his own name above all other names?

He has exalted his Sons Name Above all other names and quite rightly so, he is the first Born Of Many Brothers and Sisters, who are being conformed into Jesus image...those are the Born Again on earth today, we are learning from the power within us to represent the Father.

Jesus already represented the Father, His will was always in-line with his Father’s..because he knew and had no sin.

Unfortunately we as humans were Born into sin...therefore when our sins were forgiven...we became Born Again in spirit...therefore as children of God, we then start our spirit journey, taken out of the world...yet still in it, but, not of the world.

 

[Brakelite]

I do take God at his word.

Jesus never once called himself God....he came to serve his Father and do his will.

A Born Again should also represent God...we can’t do that just by merely quoting scripture...we must be Born Of the Spirit, only then can we be led by the Spirit, plus we are then recognised by God as his children...( spirit children)..we seek God out with our heart...as we are Born Again and Alive in the Spirit.....we aren’t alive in bible reading/ knowledge...the Bible is Gods confirmation..it confirms all about the Living rebirth, plus that God is A Mighty Living Spirit...he is not contained in the Bible...God Spirit cannot be contained....

However, He did claim, as did numerous others in identifying Him as such, to be the Son of God. Not a son as are adopted sinners, nor a son as are created angels, but a Son begotten before creation having in Him the fullness of the Godhead (divinity) bodily, the express image of the Fathers glory. A Son Who took on human flesh in order to die for the sins of man.

 

[Ritajanice]

However, He did claim, as did numerous others in identifying Him as such, to be the Son of God.

Amen.

Not a son as are adopted sinners,

Amen.there was no sin in Jesus...he was the anointed Son Of God.

If he couldn’t have done the will of God, then God wouldn’t have sent him, God had already planned the arrival of Jesus before the foundation of the world, I agree there, but, Jesus could never be fully God...

nor a son as are created angels, but a Son begotten before creation having in Him the fullness of the Godhead (divinity) bodily, the express image of the Fathers glory. A Son Who took on human flesh in order to die for the sins of man.

Not sure what to make of this...

Jesus was the perfect representation of His Father....Praise God, for Jesus representing his Father so perfectly...there will never be another like Jesus....that is why his Father God has exalted his Name Above any other Name.

None can come to the Father except through Jesus......oh what an Honour and Privilege to be conformed into Jesus image.....by the power of the Living Spirit who resides in our spirit/ heart...Born Again of imperishable seed...growing daily in spiritual maturity...becoming more like our Brother Jesus.....nothing on the planet can compare to that.....this world is so darn boring....Praise God that I’m in his Kingdom.

 

[Wrangler]

The Father called His Son God.

Incorrect. My granddaughter has a highchair. if I sit in the chair o’ my granddaughter, that does not make me my granddaughter.

 

[Jack]

Incorrect. My granddaughter has a highchair. if I sit in the chair o’ my granddaughter, that does not make me my granddaughter.

God is "incorrect"??? He clearly called His Son "God"!

 

[Brakelite]

I do take God at his word.

I'm not baiting you and our trying to tap you into believing something that isn't in scripture.
“2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; ....
...8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. ”
Hebrews 1:2, 8 KJV

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.we can’t do that just by merely quoting scripture.

I don't know how that can be glossed over and ignored, except one thinks God was mistaken or lying. Is there another explanation for making that scripture say something different to the natural way of reading it?

 

[Ritajanice]

I'm not baiting you and our trying to tap you into believing something that isn't in scripture.
“2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; ....
...8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre

Romans 3:20-31We are justified through faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. He is the payment for our sins, thus freeing us from sin's penalty, and at the same time, God accounts—or imputes—Christ's righteousness to us. The righteousness that enabled Him to be the perfect sacrifice is accounted as if it is ours!

of thy kingdom. ”

Whose righteousness did Jesus walk in?

We are clothed in Jesus righteousness.....he was the atonement for us to be reconciled back to our Father God.....did my spirit come from Jesus?.....or from God?....did Jesus make Adam from the dust of the ground?.....Jesus was yet to come.....from the mouth/ seed of God....chosen and predestined to become the Messiah, the same as the Born Again, I too was with God from the beginning....chosen and predestined to become regenerated/ Born Again of imperishable seed.....that doesn’t make me fully God.....I am a partaker Of the divine nature.....

Jesus dying on the cross was the sacrifice necessary to redeem the sins of humankind. This sacrifice made God and humans at one again, reuniting and reconciling them.



..my belief.


God has exalted Jesus Name above all other Names, he is not fully God....God is a Spirit, ....Jesus is not fully God, that is my belief.

Jesus will reign forever not as God, Jesus is the first Born among many, ... who are the many?

How are we reconciled back to God?

The Bible does not reconcile our spirit back to God?

That comes by supernatural divine heart revelation, Spirit gives birth to spirit?

Hebrews 1:2, 8 KJV

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I don't know how that can be glossed over and ignored, except one thinks God was mistaken or lying. Is there another explanation for making that scripture say something different to the natural way of reading it?

Brake lite said....... I don't know how that can be glossed over and ignored, except one thinks God was mistaken or lying. Is there another explanation for making that scripture say something different to the natural way of reading it?


RJ asks....Natural way of reading it?.....how can the natural man understand the word of God?
It can be glossed over, by one understanding scripture from one’s own interpretation..that’s how , I don’t believe what you interpret the word of God to be saying...I believe the Spirit and his interpretation of Gods inspired word...the truth of what he witnesses to my spirit.

A Born Again communicates with God via his Spirit, how else can we communicate with God, if not by our spirit, when it becomes Born Again/ regenerated/ Alive in Christ.


That Jesus is fully God, he’s not...that is my belief..so, why you are trying to convince me that Jesus is God, I have no idea.

A Born Again is reconciled back to God in spirit, they do not have to believe that Jesus is God....and it so happens, that I don’t believe Jesus is fully God.....

Jesus is my Brother and Praise God, as a Born Again, I’m being transformed into his image, by the power from within my spirit.

Jesus died and was resurrected, so that my spirit is reconciled back to my Father Spirit God....do you understand that, I’m Alive in spirit, my spirit is Alive in Christ.....my faith is Alive and Active, .....

 

[Jack]

No Jesus/God, no everlasting Hell fire? That's JW doctrine!

 

[brightfame52]

Wrong. Re-read my post and understand hypothesis testing.

It’s the same in court. The prosecutor has the burden of proof. Both sides do not have equal burden.

This is a spiritual matter, if God doesn't open up your eyes to the truth of who Jesus is as God, you cant be convinced and that's a sign of damnation and spiritual death. Can a prosecutor convince a jury of dead folk ? For instance, anyone with spiritual sight can see that Jesus as the word incarnate is God Jn 1:1,14

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Scripture Truth bears Testimony Jesus is God, that's just as reliable as Jesus saying Himself, I am God

 

[Bob]

Sorry Bob, did not yet back with you...until now

It's seems you have the verse Col 2:9 locked in as a prooftext as the key to the definition of divinity for Jesus - as God Almighty? Nothing could be further from the truth...for these and other reasons..a little long-winded..I would reread my post again to maybe grasp what I'm saying here..

For your way of thinking, Colossians 2:9 basically rests, or lives or dies on two words: θεοτης (theotēs, 'deity') and κατοικεω (katoikeō, 'to dwell').

theotēs =>divinity or divine nature..used only once in the entire Bible

We must look at the context therefore to know how Paul used this Greek word for his audience and the local culture.

Also, Katoikeō (to dwell) does not imply that the Godhood (whatever that really means) inherently dwells in Christ, so therefore Christ is inherently God.

Katoikeō is also used to describe the spirit of God dwelling within believers (see James 4:5) and Christ dwelling within believers (see Ephesians 3:17).
Similarly, God is said to "dwell" (katoikein) in Jerusalem (Psalm 67:17 LXX), but he doesn't inherently dwell there.

Additionally, the word theotēs does not imply being God (YHWH), although it can refer to a lesser level of divinity.
Although this word is a hapax legomenon in the New Testament, in contemporary Koine Greek texts theotēs describes a secondary, derived divinity which can be given and taken away (e.g., from demigods of Greek myth) (Plutarch, De defectu oraculorum 10 [415C]; Lucian, Icaromenippus 9). Also the expression 'dia theotēs' => for religious reasons...

So, in Colossians 2:9, Paul isn't saying that Jesus is inherently God (YHWH); instead, he seems to be saying that the quality of divinity somehow dwells within Jesus. In or alongside his own human spirit and in his mind.

It can easily be best understood by reflecting this same reality written in John 1:32: "I saw the Spirit coming down as a dove, and it remained upon him." And also in John 3:34: "The one whom God sent speaks the words of God, because God gives the spirit to him without measure."

God gave Jesus authority to perform all types of miracles and even forgive sins. He was filled (without measure) with the Spirit of God.
So therefore, Jesus had the fullness of God's divine nature within him. He literally walked, ate and slept with it as his invisible power.

And it may surprise you that every genuine believer also has this same 'fullness' of the God's divine nature in them (see 2 Peter 1:4) as Christ (because of Christ's indwelling).

(Eph 3:19) and to truly know and understand the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

And of course we are not God either...or of his divine nature either, intrinsically...

Further, this 'fullness' is a partial possession, meaning one can only have a portion of it. And it make nonsense to say the fullness of something/someone that is indivisible, as God is this one. This is why you never will read the fullness of the Father, God, because by definition he is already intrinsically full of himself, his own nature already. So verse 9 is not talking about Jesus the Christ being God with his divinity at all. It all about God GIVING Christ part of his fullness for his purpose here.

Read Col 1:18-20..

(Col 1:18) And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; so that in all things he might have the pre-eminence.
(Col 1:19) For it was the good pleasure of the Father that in him should all the fullness dwell,
(Col 1:20) and through him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of his cross- yes, to reconcile all things through him, whether things upon the earth, or things in the heavens. The Context of Paul’s Preaching

And then John 3:34-35 for more clarification.
(Joh 3:34) For he whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He does not give him the Spirit by measure.
(Joh 3:35) The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand.

To cut this short....

If Christ were God Almighty of his level of divinity, then it would make nonsense to say 'the fullness' of God dwelt within him, because he being God already.

Think about that one for a few minutes...

last note....Paul was saying to the Colossians, stop with your philosophies and traditions, look to Christ as he is complete IN God, In HIS FULNESS, In HIS divinity and IN HIS power. We draw from Christ this way IN our walk IN Christ.

Blessings...APAK

Thank you for the erudite analysis.

It sounds like you are espousing Arianism or a theology analogous to Arianism. Yes/no?

Does this belief mean that Jesus’ sudden appearance in the upper room (John 20) was brought about by God, and Jesus could not have done so by himself?

Peace.

 

[APAK]

Thank you for the erudite analysis.

It sounds like you are espousing Arianism or a theology analogous to Arianism. Yes/no?

Does this belief mean that Jesus’ sudden appearance in the upper room (John 20) was brought about by God, and Jesus could not have done so by himself?

Peace.

I do not believe Arian has anything to do with my comments, and I wager you don't know what Arain believed in anyway. And by labeling does nothing for your understanding of scripture either.

Bob, you are now moving on to another subject w/o actually providing a comment on Colossians. I guess you just ignored and disagreed my feedback out-of-hand. That is a shame. I was hoping for something more in this conversation.

Now you last comment you really need to pay attention to the context, knowing that Jesus was in a transitional state of an immortal human body, awaiting to ascend to his Father in Heaven. Of course Christ could appear and become invisible at will under his own steam. His Father, who is God, gave him this eternal life, not himself! This is just one reason why Jesus the man is not God of course.

Have a good Day!

 

[Jack]

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created!

Jesus is God.

 

[APAK]

You have made it circular by your own literary devising and reinterpretation of what I am saying. No need to resort to the introduction of ideas I never advocate as if they are my own.
John said the following...

“In him was life; and the life was the light of men. ”
John 1:4 KJV

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John isn't talking about normal human life. Why would he be accentuating, promoting or exalting something everyone else had? No, the life John is describing is a different life. A different power. Jesus said later...

“But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. ”
John 4:14 KJV

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He is using this water as an analogy for the kind of life He has and offers to share with others. It is the same as spoken of here...

“For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water. ”
Jeremiah 2:13 KJV
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Jesus speaking...

“For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; ”
John 5:26 KJV

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This life is self existent eternal immortal life, but with the added benefit of the power to lay that life down voluntarily, as He did in order to die for us. Of course you would have noted that the great source of this life is the Father, and the source of our immortality to be given in the future will be the Son. Of course, our life will not be self existent, we will always rely, even in eternity, upon the grace and power of God for our existence, as the prophetic picture of the tree of life in paradise reveals. We may share in divinity as Peter says, but that doesn't make us divine. The life the Son of God inherited from His Father however, was the Father's life. This concept of the Father being greater than the Son is nothing more than what one would expect of a Father Son relationship, and is in harmony with the rest of scripture. The Son equal with the Father having been given all things, except rank.

I really do not want to go through all your comments....oh well..just those that I feel a need to improve upon...

John 1:4 refers to the word of God not Jesus....it had life in itself...it its message and expression of God was eternal life and we know it was possessed by his human Son.

The life of immortality the Father God gave his Son, indeed.

The power to lay his life down means that it was up to Jesus' human power and decision, along with his father's power as assist that possessed him, to stay the course, to the Cross. It is implying that Jesus at any time, could have decided even before his baptism to say no to all of it...he chose to die however.

And because Jesus had the power to go to the Cross, he automatically, had the power to raise it up, THROUGH his Father of course, as his Father commanded, and agreed...you die and I will raise you up to immortality , to new life as the first born of the new creation....

I've noticed you use the word inheritance of the Son from the Father. This does not work. God, who is the Son's Father does not give his divinity and his personality away to his Son as an inheritance somehow. The Father can only be himself, the one and only God. As if God would die and his Son would take over some how.....remember, the Son is still human not God. And God is not in the business of producing offspring of his complete self. That is found in the Greek mythology Section of the library.

 

[Wrangler]

God is "incorrect"??? He clearly called His Son "God"!

No. You are incorrect, clearly reading into unitarian text a trinitarian doctrine.

 

[Jack]

No. You are incorrect, clearly reading into unitarian text a trinitarian doctrine.

Hebrews 1:8-10
8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions." 10 And: "You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

Yep, Jesus is God! No doubt about it.

 

[Wrangler]

This is a spiritual matter,

Doesn't mean logic does not apply.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

This is not proof Jesus is God. Jesus is not even referred to in the verse. Are you even aware there are non-trinitarian ways to interpret how something can be WITH someone and be that someone? The bill was with my friend bill.