Silly question, but a thought provoking one:

[David in NJ]

We do not know who "Our" is.

This is simple....Gods are not going to be silent in the Scriptures. I have already asked you to produce the proof.

The theme of the Old Testament is not about Yahweh, God the Father, and His Son, Yeshua, God the Son, doing things together, referring to each other, talking to each other. Yeshua as a God is not a theme in the Old Testament. And you can reference the Apostles Creed...for an insight to what the Apostles thought. The Jews were monolithic and still are.

Instead of God saying He is the only God and there is no one like me, I want you to show me God the Father referencing God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and warning people that only these three Gods can be worshipped.....Examples of the Jews worshipping God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

Beyond that, the Gospels show how God the Father and God the Son interacted and referred to each other, and spoke to each other. The fact is that the Old Testament is a lot larger and covers a time period over 61 times longer. I am expecting you should come up with over 100 scriptures of detailed events....including names and specifics of them referring to each other and working together in the Old Testament. There should be several pages putting this into a storyline.

Just so you know....I am not holding my breath.

Read in Genesis the chapters that cover the lives of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

 

[David in NJ]

Scripture please


Scriptures please


It does not say anything about God the Son and God the Holy Spirit being there and interacting with God the Father.

Please read Genesis chapters 12 thru 35 and after you do this we can discuss - PEACE my Friend

 

[Grailhunter]

Read in Genesis the chapters that cover the lives of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

I have
No God the Son
No God the Holy Spirit

 

[Grailhunter]

Please read Genesis chapters 12 thru 35 and after you do this we can discuss - PEACE my Friend

Peace to you and I have read it.
Anything specific you think says the words "God the Son" or the other God that is a member of the Trinity. Of course the word Trinity is not in the Bible.
Are you thinking that God the Father tied up God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and locked them in a room and forbid them to come out or speak?

 

[David in NJ]

Peace to you and I have read it.
Anything specific you think says the words "God the Son" or the other God that is a member of the Trinity. Of course the word Trinity is not in the Bible.
Are you thinking that God the Father tied up God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and locked them in a room and forbid them to come out or speak?

Well, if you have read Genesis and cannot see, start praying earnestly for the Holy Spirit.

 

[Grailhunter]

Well, if you have read Genesis and cannot see, start praying earnestly for the Holy Spirit.

LOL belly roll!

 

[Robert Gwin]

Hello Robert,

'For the law having a shadow of good things to come,
.. and not the very image of the things,
.... can never with those sacrifices which they offered
...... year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
........ For then would they not have ceased to be offered?
.......... because that the worshippers once purged
............ should have had no more conscience of sins.
But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
.. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
.... Wherefore when He cometh into the world,
...... He saith, 'Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not,
........ but a body hast thou prepared Me:
.......... In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin Thou hast had no pleasure.'
............ Then said I, 'Lo, I come' (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) 'to do Thy will, O God.'
Above when He said, 'Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest no',
.. neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;'
.... Then said He, 'Lo, I come to do Thy will, O God.'
...... He taketh away the first, that He may establish the second.
........ By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.'
(Heb 10:1-10)

:)

I fail to understand your point maam. Every single person who is granted salvation, is granted that through the offering of the body of Jesus that is very correct. We totally agree on that, however I am wondering if you are saying all people are sanctified by that sacrifice? Jesus was quite clear when he clearly spoke the words recorded at Mat 7:13 and 14. Did I misunderstand your meaning Chris?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Hello @Robert Gwin,

It was necessary that the Redeemer be flesh and blood. If you have an understanding of the teaching concerning the Kinsman Redeemer in the Old Testament then you will understand.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

For some reason this came to me again yesterday Chris, I thought I responded to it, so I apologize if this is the second time and I forgot, anyway you are correct, Jesus was a perfect human which was required to be sacrificed for what the perfect human Adam lost. God's law is soul for soul. His law is nonnegotiable, therefore that was a requirement. No sinful man existed, so that is why Jehovah chose to send His firstborn to buyback what His firstborn human lost.

 

[David in NJ]

LOL belly roll!

Have you read the Gospel of John recently???

 

[David in NJ]

For some reason this came to me again yesterday Chris, I thought I responded to it, so I apologize if this is the second time and I forgot, anyway you are correct, Jesus was a perfect human which was required to be sacrificed for what the perfect human Adam lost. God's law is soul for soul. His law is nonnegotiable, therefore that was a requirement. No sinful man existed, so that is why Jehovah chose to send His firstborn to buyback what His firstborn human lost.

Where in the Scripture does the LORD say He will send a perfect human???

 

[Robert Gwin]

Well, here is a Godly Quest for you to find the answer in Scripture.

As I said I am unable to do that.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Big Lie here you are promoting - you are trapped in a cult = Watchtower

Seek the LORD while HE may be found

Same advice for you sir, (Zephaniah 2:3) . . .Seek Jehovah, all you meek ones of the earth, Who observe his righteous decrees. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you will be concealed on the day of Jehovah’s anger.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I never suggested otherwise but since you already admitted you teach stuff that you can't find in Scripture, there's no point in continuing this discussion any further.

Do you have an example of something I teach that cannot be found in scripture sir?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Well, here is a Godly Quest for you to find the answer in Scripture.

Although not direct, perhaps this will help Dave, Jesus stated very clearly that God (Jehovah) was a spirit, and Col 1:15 states Jesus was in His image, and referred to Him being invisible, why was He invisible? He was a spirit being. Logically since Jesus was in His image prior to being sent, he would have been a spirit being as well.

I am afraid that is the best evidence I can offer, sorry if I failed you sir.

 

[David in NJ]

As I said I am unable to do that.

If you are unable to find the answer from the Mouth of God - do not speak of what you cannot prove.

This would be a 'false witness'.

For it is written - It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

 

[David in NJ]

Same advice for you sir, (Zephaniah 2:3) . . .Seek Jehovah, all you meek ones of the earth, Who observe his righteous decrees. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you will be concealed on the day of Jehovah’s anger.

i only accept God's Advice, for Yehovah knows me and i know Him.

Thus says the LORD,
the King and Redeemer of Israel, the LORD of Hosts:
“I am the first and I am the last,
and there is no God but Me. 7Who then is like Me?
Let him say so!
Let him declare his case before Me,
since I established an ancient people.
Let him foretell the things to come,
and what is to take place. 8Do not tremble or fear.
Have I not told you and declared it long ago?
You are My witnesses!
Is there any God but Me?
There is no other Rock;
I know not one.”

This Yehovah, Redeemer of man, God the Rock - Him you do not know, for if you did you be witnessing to the Truth.

YEHOVAH says: "I AM the Way Truth and LIFE"

 

[BarneyFife]

Do you have an example of something I teach that cannot be found in scripture sir?

Yes Jesus who was a spirit being emptied himself becoming human

Where can you find in Scripture that the LORD Jesus Christ was a 'spirit' before HE emptied HIMSELF

I am unable to do that David. I guess I never questioned it, so I will state that as far as I know he was a spirit being prior to coming to earth as a human, and returned to his former state when he returned to heaven. That is either fact or fiction sir, you make the choice.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ron: you are too much. Two 'YHWHs' you write into Isaiah 44:6, one for the Father and one for the Son (what about the Spirit?.it/he does not do too much, right??.lol) and I cannot get around the language (LOL....LOL) from a person wearing Trinitarian lens. And now 'The Christ' is a new Christian thing!

Well throwing in the Spirit doesn't change the facts that jesus is Yahweh of Hosts.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Invalid question no matter how many times you ask it. Words are WHAT’s not WHO’s.

He words of the President are an attribute of the President, not another being related but apart from the man.

Now, know you don’t like that answer but there it is.

So Jesus is not creator to you then. OK

Well you need to have a prayer session with god for the word is a person to God!

John 1
King James Version

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


I know it is a silly little thing but do you see those in verse 3 and 4? They are third person personal pronouns inspired by God in the original language.

So once again who is the He who is called the Word that made all things and who is He who is th elight and life of men?

YOu can't get around this by playing stupid. I am off for a week taking my wife on a well earned vacation. YOu have a week to decide if you wish to stop playing your silly games.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ron: you are too much. Two 'YHWHs' you write into Isaiah 44:6, one for the Father and one for the Son (what about the Spirit?.it/he does not do too much, right??.lol) and I cannot get around the language (LOL....LOL) from a person wearing Trinitarian lens. And now 'The Christ' is a new Christian thing!

I don't know whether to laugh or cry that might bring tears. Is this your final answer Ron, as they would say on Jeopardy? (rhetorical)

I'm taking a break from yet again, another amusing and non-productive discussion with you - at this time. There will be another, and you know it.

YOu so so educated at first, then you continue and show you do not know what you talk about- that makes it all so arrogant sounding. Well I am off for a week to take my wife on a well earned vacation.