Shroud of Turin: Absolute proof the man seen in it is Jesus Christ
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Besides, being a mystery simply means you don't know how they did it.
Since parts of it have already been shown contradictory (not in line with any Scripture at all) , and
Since it is in a group totally contrary to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, opposed to Scripture, and contrary to God in every step,
there is no reason on earth nor in heaven to accept it as anything but a fraud, deception.
Since parts of it have already been shown contradictory (not in line with any Scripture at all) , and
Since it is in a group totally contrary to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, opposed to Scripture, and contrary to God in every step,
there is no reason on earth nor in heaven to accept it as anything but a fraud, deception.
Joseph I know what will happen to you just by your statements here... I have heard this before with real friends in my life. God will tell you ..& I leave it all to him.
You might not like his answer though.
You might not like his answer though.
Do you read what you write? Do you listen to what you are saying? You don't need God's words to see whether the shroud is the burial cloth of Jesus Christ? If that is the case, then what use is it that God caused scriptures that speaks about how Jesus' body was prepared for burial? They are no use to you it seems.
That Virgin Mary doctrine you have put in the shroud and the piercing doctrine you have there is what really is far off. Apparently whenever you take scriptural reference, it always is a case of misuse.
Tong
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Tong there is a burial cloth resembling exactly like Jesus to look at. Wake up dude. If you are going to summary dismiss as a fake just leave and wait for God to show you the truth.
I know enemies of Mary are his enemies too.
He see's anti Mary people as thy seeds. . (trying to replant these lies about her.)
Just wait around for some time and see God's answer to you.
When will I find someone to say wow that's really on the Shroud?
You can see crown of thorns around Jesus Sacred Heart , too. You can see the pointed thorns!
This is the Scientific Catholic Jesus and Mary!!
I know enemies of Mary are his enemies too.
He see's anti Mary people as thy seeds. . (trying to replant these lies about her.)
Just wait around for some time and see God's answer to you.
When will I find someone to say wow that's really on the Shroud?
You can see crown of thorns around Jesus Sacred Heart , too. You can see the pointed thorns!
This is the Scientific Catholic Jesus and Mary!!
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That's good for you if that gave you 10,000% faith in God. So, I'd take that to be a faith bigger than a mustard seed, right? Perhaps you could easily move mountains now? If that be the case, you could as well heal the sick, and help a lot of people in so many ways, even supernaturally. I definitely would be praising and thanking God for that. Though even that is not the case, it is still a good thing that the shroud of Turin strengthened your faith in God. But definitely, it is bad if such led you to believing in false doctrines and in a gospel different from the gospel the apostles preached. If that is the case, I pray to God that He grant you repentance regarding that.Here's what I see up close. Zillions to 1 odds .. that would be there. That's Mary's heart on the Shroud with him. She's the other Light! This gave me 10,000% faith in God!
Now, if you see that hat ou say you see in the shroud, how can I or anyone for that matter argue with that. But that is not what is the matter. The matter is what doctrine you make out of what you claim to see there brian, which leads you to the misuse of scriptures especially that you use Psalm 45:9 to support what you claim to see in the shroud.
You see such things which are not obvious to the normal eye and yet you don't see the obvious blunder that has led you to all that false doctrines about Mary that you have put in, if not taken out from, the shroud of Turin.
As I said, if your mind and heart is open for repentance regarding this matter on the shroud of Turin and is willing to be corrected, I will tell you your blunder. But sadly, it's not. Well,...
Tong
R0736
Tong,
I'm here to prove who the man of the Shroud is.. and to prove Mary is right there with him. I did it using the Shroud. The Shroud is a scientific record of Jesus death and resurrection.
There is nothing you can say about it.
God gave this to the world to see for themselves.
Its so amazing you can see the sword handle of her Immaculate heart which every Protestant puts in there.
I'm here to prove who the man of the Shroud is.. and to prove Mary is right there with him. I did it using the Shroud. The Shroud is a scientific record of Jesus death and resurrection.
There is nothing you can say about it.
God gave this to the world to see for themselves.
Its so amazing you can see the sword handle of her Immaculate heart which every Protestant puts in there.
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Cristo Rei
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Seems like a desperate attempt to try and find something... I don't understand the motivation but...
1/ We don't know if myrrh and aloes would still be present in a cloth that is 2,000 years old?
2/ The bible does speak of strips of cloth and a head piece but how do u know which way it was arranged?
They could of had that big piece first with the rest on top
So that's those two claims debunked but even if there was a tiny little detail that didn't match that wouldn't prove it is fake.
The four Gospels don't match, does that mean they're fake??? Off course not.
It has all the lashes, the crown of thorns, his 5 wounds, all as scripture says. It even had human blood on it.
The only way to prove it's false is to demonstrate how it was created. Until then it remains a mystery.
I'll take the Bible over your pics!Tong,
I'm here to prove who the man of the Shroud is.. and to prove Mary is right there with him. I did it using the Shroud. The Shroud is a scientific record of Jesus death and resurrection.
There is nothing you can say about it.
God gave this to the world to see for themselves.
Its so amazing you can see the sword handle of her Immaculate heart which every Protestant puts in there.
I have seen the videos and heard what they are saying. But before even taking those scientific considerations, the diligent Christian makes the basic checks. He goes to the word of God in scriptures. If even only one point contradicts God's words, such as the 100 unds of the mixture of myrrh and aloes used, there is sufficient reason and grounds to believe that the truth is not with the shroud, even with all those numerous scientific findings that could be established about it like marks resembling those of a man crucified such as Jesus, by scientists, Christian or otherwise.
And for the record, I am no enemy of Mary, the blessed mother of Jesus in the flesh. I respect her above all women. I love her. Not agreeing with your false doctrines concerning her does not mean she is my enemy. Not it any way shape or form.
Tong
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KJB erased Douay Rheims version of Mary and the Woman..gen3:15. All your bibles are edited.
The real proof is the Shroud.
No atheist can tell me Jesus is a Santa Clause.
No Protestant can tell me Mary is not at Jesus side.
Nobody can say I'm in the wrong religion.
The real proof is the Shroud.
No atheist can tell me Jesus is a Santa Clause.
No Protestant can tell me Mary is not at Jesus side.
Nobody can say I'm in the wrong religion.
Bobby Jo
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I can understand that some might be confused as to the Shroud and the Sudarium; and that some people might be confused as to the "Translation Version" versus what the original text might attempt to depict; and they might have certain expectations (criteria) which may or may not be documented; or that the threshold for believe is not "beyond a reasonable doubt" and is instead "absolute proof".
But what I can't understand is how some ancient "forger" creates the WORLD's FIRST NEGATIVE, which is also the WORLD's FIRST HOLOGRAM; which aren't invented until some Thousand Years Later. And EVEN TODAY a "forger" can't replicate the Shroud using ancient tools EVEN AFTER KNOWING that he/she has to create a HOLOGRAM.
It seems the simple solution is the obvious solution.
Bobby Jo
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