No sir, I am highlighting scripture sections that irritate believers in scripture.
Only trying to show folks they may be indoctrinated by presuppositions that could be fishy.
Shall we discuss this?
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Only trying to show folks they may be indoctrinated by presuppositions that could be fishy.
Hi Truther,
Please help me to understand what you are saying here.
What I've got so far is that the Son is begotten from the Father, and that after a righteous life, and his death, that at Jesus resurrection, the Father elevated Jesus to be God.
Is this correct?
And what I'm wondering, are you talking about the same God, that the Father is no longer a separate Person, but has "become" the Son, thus making the Son to become God?
Or are you talking about a new relationship of God the Father and God the Son?
Much love!
I will simplify it, so let me now if I am not explaining it properly.
God made Adam with the ability to sin in the garden.
However, before God made Adam, He had a second(last) Adam in mind(which is reality) to replace the 1st Adam.
The first Adam was made from dust and got us in this sin mess.
The last Adam was made in an ovary to get us out of this sin mess.
There are 2 sons of God explained here ...one is created from dust and one is only begotten.
Paul calls Jesus "the last Adam" because that is precisely what Jesus was doing here.
Paul did not teach that God became the last Adam, but that he was made....
Paul's comparison of the 2 Adam's NEVER implies that one of the 2 was God Himself.
If God became the last Adam, this implies that God failed and had to die, Himself.
Kinda like a boss that is running a job , but because of His incompetence, fires his workers and does the job himself...."I(God) created man and they failed, so I will die for them Myself to fix my error".
No, Jesus was another Adam..and individual with the same God as the 1st Adam had.
Rather, man MADE God....
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Could you expound on this part:
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The Son is not God until the Father that begat him made him God.
So then the Father made Jesus God, does this mean now there are two Gods? Or how do you mean this?
Much love!
I'm actually not trying to make any points, just asking for clarification. I don't really understand his POV on this.
Much love!
He has a glorified body, but there's no evidence he appears in any form but his own.
No, Jesus was made OUR God by default.
The Col 2:9 effect on his quickening spirit body made him the very
No, God made all things by, for and THROUGH Jesus, who was slain from the foundation of the world.
Think about that for a minute.
Sure there is.
Start with this appearance of Jesus as a blinding white light....
3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: ...
If you want to see more appearances of Jesus' quickening spirit body, I can post them too.
Jesus is now a spirit of light.
Okay...
Is the Father a Holy Spirit?
Is the Son a Holy Spirit?
Is the Holy Ghost a Holy Spirit?
Are each of these "persons", holy, and are they Spirits?
You have 3 holy Spirits in the Godhead.
I don't understand your distinction. When I'm saying God, I'm saying, the omnipotent and sovereign Creator of everything, Who announces, "Are there any other gods? I don't know of any!"
Now, "there are lords many and gods many", that which are called gods, that are no gods at all.
Do you know what I'm asking?
Much love!
I don't think this is the best understanding of that verse in Revelation, the other passage clarifies it to be those who's names do not remain written in the Lamb's book of life from the foundation of the world.
I can give you more detail on this if you like.
Much love!
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