Scriptures that show that Christs death saved a person while in unbelief !

[brightfame52]

One of the most disappointing things about religion these days, that goes in the name of Christianity, and claims to believe in Christ, and what He accomplished on the Cross by suffering and dying for sin, is that it didn't guarantee no ones salvation. Im going to show that scripture declares without a shadow of doubt that Christs death, burial and resurrection saves a person even while they are unbelievers, and enemies. Even then that God himself is reconciled to them.

The first scripture is Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Thats being saved from Gods penalty of sin and received into His favor even while an enemy to God !

For peace was made for Paul, as well as other elect persons by the blood /death of Christ's cross Col 1:20-22

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

God has no wrath for a rebellious unbelieving sinner for whom Christ died lest His death was to God of no effect, God forbid !

 

[MA2444]

God has no wrath for a rebellious unbelieving sinner for whom Christ died lest His death was to God of no effect, God forbid !

I was in agreement with you all the way up until this last line of yours.

Let me tell you a story. When I bought my first AR15 I found that I no longer had a use for my Factory folding stocked Mini-14, so I tried to give it to my wife. And when I told her that I was giving my mini-14 to her she said, what the *X!# would I want with that, Ed? So, whatever, she didn't want it.

Years later when she was divorcing me and dating a cop, she called me up and said that she wants her Mini-14 and will I send it to her? Now I know that the only reason she wanted it then was as a gift to her then boyfriend. So I said, what Mini-14? And she said, the one you gave me! So I said no, I didn't give it to you. I tried to give it to you and you would not accept it. When did you ever say to me I want to go shoot my Mini-14? When did you ever say how many magazines does it have? You never accepted the gift so you did not get the gift. Sue me if you like and you will lose.

It's the same thing with Jesus and His gift to us of forgiveness and eternal life. If you say what in the world would I do with that? And live your own life, then wherein was the gift accepted? So no, you can't remain unrepentant and still expect for the Lord to save you. You must repent and accept the gift and that means accepting Him as your LORD.

So your theory will not hold water brother. The Lord will not force anything upon anyone. You cant live a life in rebellion to God and then stand before Him and say that you accepted Him.

Geez Brother, remember when you first met your wife? You liked her and perhaps asked for her number, right? Made a date with her probably. But what would have happened if you didn't show up for the date and not even a phone call would you have been able to show up in her life years later and say, ok I'm ready to marry you now...? Would she then marry you?

Acceptance means togetherness. Let's get together Lord, sweeheart, whatever it is. Is there no courtship but yet is a marriage?! I don't think so Brother!

 

[brightfame52]

I was in agreement with you all the way up until this last line of yours.

Let me tell you a story. When I bought my first AR15 I found that I no longer had a use for my Factory folding stocked Mini-14, so I tried to give it to my wife. And when I told her that I was giving my mini-14 to her she said, what the *X!# would I want with that, Ed? So, whatever, she didn't want it.

Years later when she was divorcing me and dating a cop, she called me up and said that she wants her Mini-14 and will I send it to her? Now I know that the only reason she wanted it then was as a gift to her then boyfriend. So I said, what Mini-14? And she said, the one you gave me! So I said no, I didn't give it to you. I tried to give it to you and you would not accept it. When did you ever say to me I want to go shoot my Mini-14? When did you ever say how many magazines does it have? You never accepted the gift so you did not get the gift. Sue me if you like and you will lose.

It's the same thing with Jesus and His gift to us of forgiveness and eternal life. If you say what in the world would I do with that? And live your own life, then wherein was the gift accepted? So no, you can't remain unrepentant and still expect for the Lord to save you. You must repent and accept the gift and that means accepting Him as your LORD.

So your theory will not hold water brother. The Lord will not force anything upon anyone. You cant live a life in rebellion to God and then stand before Him and say that you accepted Him.

Geez Brother, remember when you first met your wife? You liked her and perhaps asked for her number, right? Made a date with her probably. But what would have happened if you didn't show up for the date and not even a phone call would you have been able to show up in her life years later and say, ok I'm ready to marry you now...? Would she then marry you?

Acceptance means togetherness. Let's get together Lord, sweeheart, whatever it is. Is there no courtship but yet is a marriage?! I don't think so Brother!

So you are saying Jesus death for ones sins is of no effect until the person does something to supplement it. Thats not Faith in Christ friend.

 

[Nancy]

When a gift is offered, it is not a gift if refused. That's just common sense. And accepting a gift is NOT works! We receive many gifts from the Lord every day and never question it, but we (should) receive it with gratitude. Food, water, clothes, shelter, air, trees, lovely seas, creeks and streams, His provisions are what gets us through every day IMHO.

 

[brightfame52]

@Nancy

And accepting a gift is NOT works!

Yes it is, if you make it a condition you meet in order to receive it and benefit salvation for doing it.

 

[Hey You!]

One of the most disappointing things about religion these days, that goes in the name of Christianity, and claims to believe in Christ, and what He accomplished on the Cross by suffering and dying for sin, is that it didn't guarantee no ones salvation. Im going to show that scripture declares without a shadow of doubt that Christs death, burial and resurrection saves a person even while they are unbelievers, and enemies. Even then that God himself is reconciled to them.

The first scripture is Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Thats being saved from Gods penalty of sin and received into His favor even while an enemy to God !

For peace was made for Paul, as well as other elect persons by the blood /death of Christ's cross Col 1:20-22

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

God has no wrath for a rebellious unbelieving sinner for whom Christ died lest His death was to God of no effect, God forbid !

We're Justified through Faith Alone in Christ Alone; God goes back in Time to nail our Sins to Christ's Cross for him to Bear for Us; Retroactive Salvation..

Christ Saved no one on the Cross who didn't have their Sins Nailed to his Cross. He Bore Our Sins...

 

[brightfame52]

Believers were saved by Christs death alone because by His death alone He for them, before they became believers obtained for them eternal redemption Heb 9:12

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

 

[Nancy]

@Nancy


Yes it is, if you make it a condition you meet in order to receive it and benefit salvation for doing it.

There IS no salvation without receiving the gift of Christ freely offered us from The Father.

 

[brightfame52]

We're Justified through Faith Alone in Christ Alone; God goes back in Time to nail our Sins to Christ's Cross for him to Bear for Us; Retroactive Salvation..

Christ Saved no one on the Cross who didn't have their Sins Nailed to his Cross. He Bore Our Sins...

One of the most disappointing things about religion these days, that goes in the name of Christianity, and claims to believe in Christ, and what He accomplished on the Cross by suffering and dying for sin, is that it didn't guarantee no ones salvation.

 

[brightfame52]

There IS no salvation without receiving the gift of Christ freely offered us from The Father.

Thats works salvation, dependent on the acts of men. Thats condemned by the word of God

 

[Nancy]

Thats works salvation, dependent on the acts of men. Thats condemned by the word of God

So, you choose to refuse a gift from God Himself? Why would He offer this salvation through Christ if He condemns it? He does not tempt anyone so, explain to me please why you would shun this gift?

John 4:10
"Jesus answered and said to her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.”

Romans 5:15
"But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many."

Romans 6:23
"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Romans 8:32
"He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?"

2 Corinthians 9:15
"Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift!"

Ephesians 2:8
"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God"

 

[Behold]

God has no wrath for a rebellious unbelieving sinner for whom Christ died lest His death was to God of no effect, God forbid !

John 3:36, disagrees with your delusional John Calvinism..... (as usual)., @brightfame52


Now, notice carefully reader that this NT verse i'll post for you down below..... is showing us.............

1.) you must BELIEVE in Jesus, or you remain under God's Wrath

And who is that?
That is everyone who went to Hell today, because they never trusted in Christ... they never gave THEIR FAITH in Christ To God.
That is a FREE WILL choice......everytime someone decides to die in UNBELIEF< or as Jesus defines them as "not born again".. and "having died in YOUR SINS"... = unforgiven.

That is every UNBELIEVER who is currently BREATHING..........= ALL OF US were that one.........until we chose to place OUR FAITH... in Christ.

Do you remember the day that you CHOSE to trust in Christ?
= God does, as He accepted YOUR FAITH........that day, to thereby give you eternal forgiveness and eternal life, as proven by being "born again"...."in Christ".

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New International Version
Whoever BELIEVES in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.

New Living Translation
And anyone who BELIEVES in God’s Son has eternal life. Anyone who doesn’t obey the Son will never experience eternal life but remains under God’s angry judgment.”

English Standard Version
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

Berean Standard Bible
Whoever BELIEVES in the Son has eternal life. Whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.”

Berean Literal Bible
The one believing in the Son has eternal life, but the one not obeying the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

King James Bible
He that BELIEVETH on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

New King James Version
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

New American Standard Bible
The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

NASB 1995
“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

NASB 1977
“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

Legacy Standard Bible
He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

Amplified Bible
He who believes and trusts in the Son and accepts Him [as Savior] has eternal life [that is, already possesses it]; but he who does not believe the Son and chooses to reject Him, [disobeying Him and denying Him as Savior] will not see [eternal] life, but [instead] the wrath of God hangs over him continually.”

Christian Standard Bible
The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who rejects the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.

American Standard Version
He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Contemporary English Version
Everyone who has faith in the Son has eternal life. But no one who rejects him will ever share in that life, and God will be angry with them forever.

English Revised Version
He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, he will see God's constant anger."

Good News Translation
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever disobeys the Son will not have life, but will remain under God's punishment.

International Standard Version
The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who disobeys the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.

Majority Standard Bible
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. Whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.?

 

[brightfame52]

So, you choose to refuse a gift from God Himself? Why would He offer this salvation through Christ if He condemns it? He does not tempt anyone so, explain to me please why you would shun this gift?

John 4:10
"Jesus answered and said to her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.”

Romans 5:15
"But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many."

Romans 6:23
"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Romans 8:32
"He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?"

2 Corinthians 9:15
"Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift!"

Ephesians 2:8
"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God"

Works salvation, based upon the acts of men, thats accursed.

 

[brightfame52]

John 3:36, disagrees with your delusional John Calvinism..... (as usual)., @brightfame52


Now, notice carefully reader that this NT verse i'll post for you down below..... is showing us.............

1.) you must BELIEVE in Jesus, or you remain under God's Wrath

And who is that?
That is everyone who went to Hell today, because they never trusted in Christ... they never gave THEIR FAITH in Christ To God.
That is a FREE WILL choice......everytime someone decides to die in UNBELIEF< or as Jesus defines them as "not born again".. and "having died in YOUR SINS"... = unforgiven.

That is every UNBELIEVER who is currently BREATHING..........= ALL OF US were that one.........until we chose to place OUR FAITH... in Christ.

Do you remember the day that you CHOSE to trust in Christ?
= God does, as He accepted YOUR FAITH........that day, to thereby give you eternal forgiveness and eternal life, as proven by being "born again"...."in Christ".

-
New International Version
Whoever BELIEVES in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.

New Living Translation
And anyone who BELIEVES in God’s Son has eternal life. Anyone who doesn’t obey the Son will never experience eternal life but remains under God’s angry judgment.”

English Standard Version
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

Berean Standard Bible
Whoever BELIEVES in the Son has eternal life. Whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.”

Berean Literal Bible
The one believing in the Son has eternal life, but the one not obeying the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

King James Bible
He that BELIEVETH on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

New King James Version
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

New American Standard Bible
The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

NASB 1995
“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

NASB 1977
“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

Legacy Standard Bible
He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

Amplified Bible
He who believes and trusts in the Son and accepts Him [as Savior] has eternal life [that is, already possesses it]; but he who does not believe the Son and chooses to reject Him, [disobeying Him and denying Him as Savior] will not see [eternal] life, but [instead] the wrath of God hangs over him continually.”

Christian Standard Bible
The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who rejects the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.

American Standard Version
He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Contemporary English Version
Everyone who has faith in the Son has eternal life. But no one who rejects him will ever share in that life, and God will be angry with them forever.

English Revised Version
He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, he will see God's constant anger."

Good News Translation
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever disobeys the Son will not have life, but will remain under God's punishment.

International Standard Version
The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who disobeys the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.

Majority Standard Bible
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. Whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.?

God has no wrath for a rebellious unbelieving sinner for whom Christ died lest His death was to God of no effect, God forbid !

 

[Behold]

God has no wrath for a rebellious unbelieving sinner f

Unbelievers who went to hell today, would tell you that you are lying again. @brightfame52 .

As they found out the hard way, that if you die, as a Christ rejector......then you died never born again.........a child of the devil, and you ended up in the place that was originally created for the Devil.

I guess your next deception is to try to prove that non-christians, all end up in Heaven in the end, with the Believers who are born again?

Unforgiven sinners in Heaven?
Is that your theology also??

Are you lost in UNIVERSALISM Doctrine, also, ....or are you just infinitely duped by John Calvinism.. (TULIP)?

Is it both?

 

[brightfame52]

Unbelievers who went to hell today, would tell you that you are lying again. @brightfame52 .

As they found out the hard way, that if you die, as a Christ rejector......then you died never born again.........a child of the devil, and you ended up in the place that was originally created for the Devil.

I guess your next deception is to try to prove that non-christians, all end up in Heaven in the end, with the Believers who are born again?

Unforgiven sinners in Heaven?
Is that your theology also??

Are you lost in UNIVERSALISM Doctrine, also, ....or are you just infinitely duped by John Calvinism.. (TULIP)?

Is it both?

God has no wrath for a rebellious unbelieving sinner for whom Christ died lest His death was to God of no effect, God forbid !

 

[brightfame52]

@Behold

As they found out the hard way, that if you die, as a Christ rejector......then you died never born again.........a child of the devil, and you ended up in the place that was originally created for the Devil.

Then guess what ? Christ never died for them ! Christ never died for the children of the devil, only the children of God Jn 11:50-52

50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

 

[Behold]

@Behold



Then guess what ? Christ never died for them !

Christ died for the sin of the world.

Where is this found?

A.) Sinners

Who is that one?

AA.) = Everyone............So, its true that God offers Eternal Salvation to everyone......(John 3:16). "all who will call on the name of Jesus, shall be saved".

AAA.) See that "ALL who shall call"?

= That is everyone who will BELIEVE in Jesus...See, God offers "the Gift of Salvation" , to = ONE BELIEVER at a time..........and God would that "all would believe", but not all will, and Hell is reserved for Unbelievers.
= John 3:36.


1.) you must BELIEVE in Jesus, or you remain under God's Wrath

John 3:36

And who is that?
That is everyone who went to Hell today, because they never trusted in Christ... they never gave THEIR FAITH in Christ To God.
That is a FREE WILL choice....That is every UNBELIEVER who is currently BREATHING..........= ALL OF US were that one.........until we chose to place OUR FAITH... in Christ.
-
New International Version
Whoever BELIEVES in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.

New Living Translation
And anyone who BELIEVES in God’s Son has eternal life. Anyone who doesn’t obey the Son will never experience eternal life but remains under God’s angry judgment.”

English Standard Version
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

Berean Standard Bible
Whoever BELIEVES in the Son has eternal life. Whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.”

Berean Literal Bible
The one believing in the Son has eternal life, but the one not obeying the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

King James Bible
He that BELIEVETH on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

New King James Version
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

New American Standard Bible
The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

NASB 1995
“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

NASB 1977
“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

Legacy Standard Bible
He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

Amplified Bible
He who believes and trusts in the Son and accepts Him [as Savior] has eternal life [that is, already possesses it]; but he who does not believe the Son and chooses to reject Him, [disobeying Him and denying Him as Savior] will not see [eternal] life, but [instead] the wrath of God hangs over him continually.”

 

[brightfame52]

@Behold

Christ died for the sin of the world.

Of the children of God, not the children of the devil

 

[Behold]

@Behold



Of the children of God, not the children of the devil

A.) No one is a child of God, until they are born again.

Until then, we are all sinners, unbelievers, and are this......."you are of YOUR FATHER the Devil">.

See that?

So, now let me explain what becoming a CHRISTIAN, actually means, as you are clueless as are all duped Calvinists and Hyper Calvinists. @brightfame52 ...


Notice that Jesus told us......."YOU.. (everyone) must be BORN... .again".

And why is that,?
Because when you are born again, you have become the Spiritual SON/Daughter of another FATHER.........

This is why a CHRISTian, can say..... 'My Heavenly Father" as He is become this regarding ONLY= the BORN AGAIN, when He births the BELLIEVER into Himself as "one with God".. = born again.

So, the unbelievers, are not OF.... God "our Heavenly Father".........as they are still the spiritual children of THEIR Father...., the devil.
And if they die as a child of the devil... never born again by GOD .. then they do not become a CHRISTIAN, a CHILD OF "our Heavenly Father" and they instead go to HELL, which is created for THEIR Father.......the Devil.

Being born again.... changes your Eternal PARENT........as well as where you spend your eternity.

Understand?

And that is why every CHRISTian, is "in CHRIST".........whereas everyone who is NOT born again, is NOT "of God", and NOT a "Christian" and will NOT go to Heaven, when they die.