Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

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Timtofly

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This is just plain lunacy. Unsaved people with their names found in the book of life? Those who are part of the resurrection of damnation receiving eternal life? What in the world? Total nonsense. It's hard to imagine anything more nonsensical than what you said here.
Lunacy is accepting Calvin's theology, and limited election. Election means your name is written in the Lamb's book of life, until it is blotted out, and God removes you from election. You don't just get election suddenly, one day in your life. You had election, and your name in the Lamb's book of life since before creation.

Your claim is that a certain few during the last 6 millennia were only allowed redemption from the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. All else were predetermined to end up in the LOF. Because God purposely left them out of the Lamb's book of life. God does not redeem, nor place your name in the Lamb's book of life on your decision. God removes those who reject God's free gift of Salvation. God cannot add, remove, nor edit the Lamb's book of life. The 7 seals have not been removed, nor will be until the Second Coming. Some of the 7 Seals may have been removed, by now, but a sealed book, cannot be edited, not even by God. God had no bias against you when your name was placed there, along with every other offspring of Adam, before creation.

The order Paul gives is not about election, nor having your name in the Lamb's book of life. Being made alive is the end goal, the day of redemption. That happened for all the OT redeemed the day of the Cross. The thief was made alive, and entered Paradise, that day, spiritually and physically.

The rest of the dead at the time of the Cross were still in the Lamb's book of life, but their status cannot change until they stand as the dead at the GWT Judgment.
 

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Lunacy is accepting Calvin's theology, and limited election. Election means your name is written in the Lamb's book of life, until it is blotted out, and God removes you from election. You don't just get election suddenly, one day in your life. You had election, and your name in the Lamb's book of life since before creation.

Lunacy is the same as one in Biblical illiteracy when trying... to claim one knows what God's Word teaches. God even calls rebellion as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness as iniquity.

Lord Jesus in His prayer of John 17 revealed the difference between His very elect that are 'chosen' vs. those who are called only.
 

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Yes, he did. In 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 Paul first said that all would be made alive (resurrected) and then he gave the order as Christ's resurrection first and then next in order are those who belong to Him at His coming. That's it. So, that implies that all of the dead in Christ will be resurrected at His second coming.


No, I don't deny that the resurrection described in Matthew 27:52-53 happened, but where does it say that it was unto bodily immortality? Nowhere. They died again later. Otherwise, Paul lied in 1 Corinthians 15:22-23.


LOL. Who said that? Not me. I see that your reading comprehension skills are still terrible. The order of resurrections that Paul gave were BODILY resurrections.


In the case of 1 Corinthians 15:22-23, it's only talking about a bodily resurrection. You need to have no discernment whatsoever in order to not understand that.


Because He was bodily resurrected from the dead unto bodily immortality just as those who belong to Him will be at the last trumpet when He comes again. This is very simple stuff and you can't even understand it. What can you understand then?


It shouldn't be. It's not plural in the original Greek. The Greek word can be singular or plural. The translators made a mistake there. The text in English says that Christ Himself is the firstfruits of them that slept. It should say He is the firstfruit of them that slept. But, you act as if it says them that slept are the firstfruits, but it does not say that.


I didn't say that he did. What would you say is the cause of your horrible reading comprehension skills? I'm genuinely curious as to what causes you to misunderstand almost everything you read.
When one uses the words, "in their own order", that cannot mean "at the same time". There is literally nothing in 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 that implies, nor explicitly states that "their order" means "at the same time".

The resurrection at the Cross for the OT redeemed was physical, and they never died again, spiritually nor physically. They were first in an order that has included millions since the Cross, and after the next thousand years. Why do you insist all are still dead physically who are in Christ? They are not in Adam's dead corruptible flesh, but they are not waiting for a resurrection either, physical nor spiritual.

If 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 is only talking about a physical resurrection, does that mean no one saved will be alive then, at the Second Coming, because you seem to think those already alive will be only physically resurrected?

Humans are in Christ, not that Christ is in Christ. The first resurrection is not waiting to happen. There was a first resurrection in the order mentioned for those in Abraham's bosom at the time of the Cross. The Cross was not "at the same time" as the Second Coming.

The resurrection happened at the Cross, at the Second Coming, and then at the end after the rest of creation has been in existence for a thousand years, post the Second Coming. That is the order. Do you deny the Cross was almost two thousand years ago, as you deny the end is still a thousand years after the Second Coming? There was only one Cross, one Second Coming, and then one end, in that order, and not "at the same time".

You call having eternal life, "bodily immortality", great. Then you deny the OT redeemed currently have eternal life. Eternal life is not some future phenomenon. Those in Christ, have had eternal life since the Cross. All in Christ fall into that chronological order, over the two millenia since the Cross. Paul never implies a future "single moment in time" for eternal life. You force that thought into the text, and context.
 

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When one uses the words, "in their own order", that cannot mean "at the same time". There is literally nothing in 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 that implies, nor explicitly states that "their order" means "at the same time".
The order given is Christ's resurrection was first and next in order are those who belong to Christ at His second coming.

That His was the first resurrection is confirmed in other verses like this one...

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

The dead in Christ are all resurrected at the same time and Paul said that will occur at Christ's second coming. Very simple. But, I don't expect you to understand anything at all, including the simple things.
 

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Lunacy is accepting Calvin's theology, and limited election.
Which I don't. You are so lacking in reading comprehension skills that you can't even tell that I was speaking against that theology.

Election means your name is written in the Lamb's book of life, until it is blotted out, and God removes you from election. You don't just get election suddenly, one day in your life. You had election, and your name in the Lamb's book of life since before creation.

Your claim is that a certain few during the last 6 millennia were only allowed redemption from the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. All else were predetermined to end up in the LOF.
LOL. That's not my claim at all. Please learn how to read.
 

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Don't tell me you're another one that can't read and understand simple English.

"last" = final
"day" = 24 hr. period, used for the final day of this present world, which is when Jesus comes to resurrect the dead saints and gather them and the alive saints (1 Thess.4).

John 6:40
40 And this is the will of Him That sent Me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life:
and I will raise him up at the last day.
KJV


"the" = article, this one
"day of the Lord Jesus" = used as a symbol for Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20.

1 Cor 5:5
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in
the day of the Lord Jesus.
KJV


Do you see the phrase "last day" in that above 1 Corinthians 5:5 verse anywhere? NO! You don't! Do you see the phrase "day of the Lord" in that? YES! You do. Did God's Old Testament prophets speak of events to occur on that "day of the Lord"? YES! they did! Did Apostle Paul and Peter speak of events only to occur on that "day of the Lord" which is to come "as a thief in the night"? YES! they did! speaking of the very first START of that "day of the Lord" with Jesus' future return.
It is you who is not making a distinction between a last 24 hour day, and the Day of the Lord, which is a thousand year time period. The Second Coming is not after the Day of the Lord, as you keep insisting.

You should agree with the Amil and post mill adherents who say the last 24 hour day is after the Day of the Lord, some indefinite period of time including hundreds of years, or thousands.

The Second Coming is not a last final day.

John 6:40

40 And this is the will of Him That sent Me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

KJV

This last day was the day Jesus died on the Cross. That was a last 24 hour day, for those under the terms and conditions of the OT Covenant. Do you see anything in John 6:40 that states: the Second Coming?

Jesus was talking to those who were under the OT Covenant. Jesus was not talking about a phenomenon post the Cross under the NT Covenant.
 

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It is you who is not making a distinction between a last 24 hour day, and the Day of the Lord, which is a thousand year time period. The Second Coming is not after the Day of the Lord, as you keep insisting.

That "day of the Lord" is the last day of THIS PRESENT world earth age. It is also the 1st day start of Christ's future "thousand years" reign. You do understand that once Christ returns on that day and subdues all the wicked, that means the start of His reign over the nations, right? Thus Christ's coming on the "day of the Lord" = start of Christ's "thousand years" reign.

Thus I NEVER insisted Christ's 2nd coming is after the "day of the Lord"; that's YOUR mind playing tricks on you.


So can't you see that "day of the Lord" which both Apostles Paul and Peter said will come "as a thief in the night" is about the LAST DAY of this world with the deceived being shocked at seeing Christ's coming? And in Revelation 16:15 Jesus said that He comes "as a thief".


You should agree with the Amil and post mill adherents who say the last 24 hour day is after the Day of the Lord, some indefinite period of time including hundreds of years, or thousands.

It does not have to last a full 24 hrs. to be the 'last day' or "day of the Lord" when Jesus comes. Nothing is written to declare it will literally be a 24 hr. period. You are straining at a gnat.

The only Millennium period defined in God's Word is Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect priests per Revelation 20, and also the events of Ezekiel 40 thru 47.

And God's Word reveals that Christ's 2nd coming will occur on the "day of the Lord" (Zech.14 for one example). Apostles Paul and Peter spoke of that very timing in a matter-of-fact manner, since that was first written in the Zechariah 14 Chapter. Son Paul in 1 Thess.5 didn't have to mention Jesus' coming "as a thief in the night", because it should have already been understood from the prophets, and even from what Lord Jesus Himself taught in His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13 about His coming. And Peter didn't have to mention Jesus' coming "as a thief in the night" either in 2 Peter 3 simply because of the same thing, it was already revealed beforehand.

Now those who have a problem with memory, should study God's written Word a lot harder to overcome that problem, and pray about it, because The Holy Spirit can overcome that even with those who have memory problems. Yet those who haven't even studied their Old Testament Bible show a major disadvantage from the beginning.

The Second Coming is not a last final day.

Well, yes it is, the last day of this present 2nd world age.

Christ's coming will not be the final day of this 2nd world earth age, because the new heavens and a new earth won't begin until all the wicked, Satan, hell, and death are all destroyed in the future "lake of fire". And that won't happen until after Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20.

Thus the future "thousand years" reign of Christ is actually part of this 2nd world earth age period that begins on the day of His future 2nd coming. The NHNE time is the Eternity, the 3rd world earth age, after Christ's future Millennial reign. The NHNE time represents the "third heaven" which Apostle Paul was allowed to see via the Spirit per 2 Cor.12.


John 6:40
40 And this is the will of Him That sent Me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
KJV

This last day was the day Jesus died on the Cross.

NOPE!
That "last day" Jesus mentioned is about the still future... resurrection that will occur on the day of His future 2nd coming, that will be the last day of this present world time. That will be the day when He raises the "asleep" saints of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16 that He brings with Him when He comes.
 

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No, the elect are those who can be saved...
No, the elect are those elect of God, chosen before the foundation of the world to be conformed to the image of Christ (Ephesians 1:4-5).
...not yet in the LOF...
The elect are exempt from the "lake of fire" of Revelation 20 and will not be subject to that "second death."

. The second death has not happened yet, so all can be saved, up until that point.
Hmmm... hasn't happened yet, correct, but:
  • All can be saved in the sense that Jesus's atonement is sufficient to cover all, so unlimited in the sense of sufficiency, but...
  • Effective for only God's elect, those whom He calls by His Spirit and gives new birth in the Spirit, so limited in that sense
.... up to the end of God's millennium, which we are advancing toward, and the close of which will prompt Satan's "loosing," then Christ's return and final defeat of Satan, then the second resurrection, then the final Judgment, then the sending away of the unrepentant into this "lake of fire," and finally the full ushering in of the New Heaven and New Earth. At the close of the millennium, all of this will occur in short order.

You claim some are automatically born the elect...
I say God's elect are God's elect from all eternity.

...you don't allow people to choose redemption.
Sure I do. But God's purpose of election does not depend on man's choice; rather, as Paul says, "it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy" (Romans 9:16), and "there is a remnant, chosen by grace. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace" (Romans 11:6).

People choose redemption, not because they are elect.
Yes they do... <smile> Because they are elect from all eternity, and then, when they do, because they have been born again of the Spirit.

God elects and chooses all mankind...
Absolutely not. God elect who He elects...
  • "(God) says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.' So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy... So then He has mercy on whomever He wills, and He hardens whomever He wills" (Romans 9:14-18)
  • "God ...chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love He predestined us for adoption to Himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of His will, to the praise of His glorious grace, with which He has blessed us in the Beloved. In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace" (Ephesians 1:3-7)
...but the majority will still end up in the LOF.
None of God's elect will. God's purposes cannot fail or be thwarted.

There is no such thing: that you are not chosen by God, and then suddenly, one moment you are. That is how you define election.
LOL! That doesn't even make sense, Timtofly. No, that's not how I define election. Goodness gracious. From all eternity.

One minute you are not elect, and the next minute you are, leaving God out of the choice. Or totally dependent on God placing His Spirit in us, at some point in our existence.
What you're really talking about here, Timtofly, whether you realize it or not, is not election, really but our being born again of the Spirit, which happens, yes, at some point in our existence, because we are members of God's elect, from all eternity and have been the recipients of His mercy, compassion, saving grace. In our being born again, yes, God places His Spirit in us, and because of this new spirit we have we then walk in His statutes and are careful to obey His rules (Ezekiel 11:19-20; 36:26-27).

The Holy Spirit is placed in every soul, at conception...
Nope. We are all born with a spirit that is dead in sin ~ the sinful nature. This is what we inherit from Adam. We are at enmity with God, which is the state of being Adam took on at the Fall, and continue in this unless and until we are born again of the Spirit of God... prior to that, all are dead in their trespasses and sins and walk in this way, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air... living in the passions of the flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and by nature children of wrath (Ephesians 2:1-3). This is the natural human condition.

...the election is sure at the moment of conception.
In one sense, yes, from all eternity. But we do make our calling and election evident to all, even to ourselves, when we are not just hearers but doers of the Word, as James (1:22) puts it, and this is because God is at work in us in the Person of His Spirit (Philippians 2:13).

When a person decides to align their mind with the Holy Spirit, and accept the gift of Salvation that is when they make the choice. God already made the choice prior to creation itself... The choice was made before Adam disobeyed God.
This is... actually correct. Wow. Great, man! <smile>

You're an interesting dude, Timtofly. <smile>

Grace and peace to you.
 
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Hmmm... hasn't happened yet, correct, but:
  • All can be saved in the sense that Jesus's atonement is sufficient to cover all, so unlimited in the sense of sufficiency, but...
  • Effective for only God's elect, those whom He calls by His Spirit and gives new birth in the Spirit, so limited in that sense
It seems VERY disingenuous as well as contradictory to say that Jesus's atonement was sufficient to cover all and that all can be saved when at the same time you believe that He did not die for all and purposely made it so that only certain people, and not all people, would be saved. That just makes no sense whatsoever and is nothing more than religious doublespeak.
 

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It seems VERY disingenuous as well as contradictory to say that Jesus's atonement was sufficient to cover all and that all can be saved when at the same time you believe that He did not die for all and purposely made it so that only certain people, and not all people, would be saved.
Well, God elected who He elected. As Creator, he has every right to, as Paul says, to have mercy and compassion on whomever He wills, and also to harden whomever He wills, to make out some/many for honorable use and some/many for dishonorable use. I can certainly understand some thinking that abhorrent. But, God is God, and everything He does is for His own glory. It may be hard for us from our perspective to really get that, but, it is what it is.

That just makes no sense whatsoever...
It just doesn't make the kind of sense we want it to, at least sometimes. But, as God says through the prophet Isaiah (55:8-11):

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts. For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, so shall My Word be that goes out from My mouth; it shall not return to Me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it."

Jesus is the Word made flesh.

and is nothing more than religious doublespeak.
I mean, never would you really do such a thing, I know, but really, that accusation is against God Himself. And that kind of thing doesn't end well for anybody if they hold on to it...

Grace and peace to you.
 

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.... up to the end of God's millennium, which we are advancing toward, and the close of which will prompt Satan's "loosing," then Christ's return and final defeat of Satan, then the second resurrection, then the final Judgment, then the sending away of the unrepentant into this "lake of fire," and finally the full ushering in of the New Heaven and New Earth. At the close of the millennium, all of this will occur in short order.

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That paragraph is not describing the proper order of events as written in God's Word.

1. Christ's 2nd coming on the last day of this present world, and gathering of His saints.

2. Christ begins His "thousand years" reign on that day of His future 2nd coming. Satan is locked into his pit prison for that period of a "thousand years", not allowed to deceive the unsaved nations.

3. The resurrection of both the "resurrection of life" and the "resurrection of damnation" happen on that day of Christ's future 2nd coming. ALL... in the graves are raised on that day of His coming Jesus revealed in John 5:28-29.

4. All... then go through Christ's future "thousand years" literal reign, His faithful saints reign with Him over all the nations that will represent the unsaved.

5. All the unsaved nations will be required to come up to Jerusalem to worship Christ The KING, from year to year, and keep the Feast of Tabernacles. Those nations that refuse there will be no rain upon their lands.

6. Then Satan is loosed out of his pit prison chains, to go deceive the unsaved of the nations one final time. He leads them upon the "camp of the saints" on earth at the "beloved city" (Jerusalem on earth), and God rains His fire down from Heaven upon them.

7. When the "thousand years" is complete, God's Great White Throne Judgment then begins, and the unsaved are judged by their works, and the Book of Life is viewed to see if any of their names are found in it. Those of the unsaved nations that convert to Jesus during the "thousand years" will have their names in that Book of Life, and be saved, for God is longsuffering not wanting that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance, like Apostle Peter said.

8. Then Satan, the abode of the wicked called Hades, and death, are all cast into the "lake of fire". And only then will God's Eternity of a new heavens and a new earth begin.
 
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The order given is Christ's resurrection was first and next in order are those who belong to Christ at His second coming.

That His was the first resurrection is confirmed in other verses like this one...

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

The dead in Christ are all resurrected at the same time and Paul said that will occur at Christ's second coming. Very simple. But, I don't expect you to understand anything at all, including the simple things.
You are still placing Jesus into a position of needing to be redeemed, ie made alive. Jesus is not part of the order. Spiritually dead people are the firstfruits in Christ, who are part of their own order.

Do you not see the point here:

"But every man in his own order".

Jesus is referenced, because all are in Christ. Jesus is not in Christ. Jesus is Christ, and every man is in Christ, and starting at the Cross, realized a resurrection. The OT redeemed were the firstfruits.

No one could be resurrected without the resurrection of Jesus:

"For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:"

Paul is speaking directly to you, when you claim the OT were not raised at the Cross which is the first in order of resurrections. Paul said that was already a reality. You are denying that reality.

"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order."

Jesus was not dead in Adam's condition. The order was not talking about Jesus. The order was talking about those in Christ as opposed to those in Adam. Those in Adam in the OT, were no longer in Adam waiting in Abraham's bosom. They were not dead sinners, like those in torment. They were waiting for a physical resurrection, that happened at the Cross, and was permanent allowing them to enter Paradise with Jesus as they were the firstfruits in Christ.

I understand the "simple" erroneous theology of man that claims those in Christ are still dead in the ground. That teaching contradicts Scripture, and the power of the Resurrection, limiting that power to a single future event.
 

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That paragraph is not describing the proper order of events as written in God's Word.
I'm well aware of your thinking on this, Davy. We disagree.

Christ's 2nd coming on the last day of this present world, and gathering of His saints.
Not the world, really but this present age age. These last days. It will come to an end when the fullness of the Gentiles has been brought in to Israel and the partial hardening that is now on Israel is removed.

Christ begins His "thousand years" reign on that day of His future 2nd coming.
No, the thousand years," God's millennium, will have come to a close at the time of Christ's (yes, future) second coming. The close of the millennium is what will prompt the final conflict and Jesus's second coming.

Satan is locked into his pit prison for that period of a "thousand years", not allowed to deceive the unsaved nations.
Which is now. Since Christ's first coming. As Jesus said during His time on earth, "how can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house." Jesus is that Someone, and Satan is that "strong man," and Jesus was then and still is, by the work of the Holy Spirit, plundering Satan's "house." Satan is currently restricted completely from deceiving the nations, which is to say he can do nothing to prevent the spread of the Gospel to all nations.

The resurrection of both the "resurrection of life" and the "resurrection of damnation" happen on that day of Christ's future 2nd coming. ALL... in the graves are raised on that day of His coming Jesus revealed in John 5:28-29.
Agree. Absolutely.

All... then go through Christ's future "thousand years" literal reign...
No, the final Judgment, the white throne judgment of Revelation 20.

, His faithful saints reign with Him...
In eternity, in the New Heaven and New Earth, which comes down to us and is ushered in fully after the final Judgment, after those resurrected to judgment have departed into this judgment.

All the unsaved nations will be required to come up to Jerusalem to worship Christ The KING, from year to year, and keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
They will be gone. There will be no more sin.

Then Satan is loosed out of his pit prison chains...
This will have happened already, after the close of the millennium and before the resurrection and final Judgment.

When the "thousand years" is complete, God's Great White Throne Judgment then begins...
Yes, but also Satan's "loosing" and after the final defeat of Satan... and the resurrection.

...the unsaved are judged by their works...
All are judged according to what they have done. But those in Christ will have done them to Him and in Him, and in this way will be judged righteous, not because of their own righteousness but because of His.

...the Book of Life is viewed to see if any of their names are found in it.
Right, and the names of the ones in Christ will be there... as they have been even from before the foundation of the world..

Those of the unsaved nations that convert to Jesus during the "thousand years" will have their names in that Book of Life, and be saved...
Absolutely. You and I are converted, Davy, and our names are in that Book of Life.

Then Satan, the abode of the wicked called Hades, and death, are all cast into the "lake of fire".
This will have already happened at the time of the final Judgment.

And only then will God's Eternity of a new heavens and a new earth begin.
After the final Judgment. Yes.

Grace and peace to you, Davy.
 

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Which I don't. You are so lacking in reading comprehension skills that you can't even tell that I was speaking against that theology.


LOL. That's not my claim at all. Please learn how to read.
Of course you do, because you have all the redeemed as the dead waiting to stand before Christ at the GWT Judgment.

Show one verse that backs up your claim that all of Adam's offspring have to wait until the GWT Judgment.

If not, then you contradict yourself. Do you think that God only wrote down those names as they pertained to that single event, sometime in the future?

If a person's name in the book means they are elect, then every one is elect, because all were named. That is until their name was removed, and then they were no longer part of the elect. There is no Scripture stating God places names into the Lamb's book of life as history unfolds. There is no Scripture that states God only wrote down a limited number of names.
 

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Well, God elected who He elected. As Creator, he has every right to, as Paul says, to have mercy and compassion on whomever He wills, and also to harden whomever He wills, to make out some/many for honorable use and some/many for dishonorable use. I can certainly understand some thinking that abhorrent. But, God is God, and everything He does is for His own glory. It may be hard for us from our perspective to really get that, but, it is what it is.
No, it is not what it is. You think that is talking about what God chooses for someone before they are even born, but scripture does not teach that. We can't believe something that contradicts His character. God is love (1 John 4:8). He loves the whole world and sent His Son to die for the sins of the whole world (John 3:16, 1 John 2:1-2). The idea that He predestined some to salvation and the rest to condemnation is not love. Not giving people even a chance at salvation is not love. Scripture says that He offers salvation to all people (Titus 2:11), but your view makes that offer disingenuous for most.

As for Him having mercy and compassion on whomever He wills, yes, that is true. But, you again only tell part of the story. He wants to have mercy on all people. And He does not thwart His own desires. He gives all people the opportunity to receive His mercy.

Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

You didn't really address what I said. I said that it seems VERY disingenuous as well as contradictory to say that Jesus's atonement was sufficient to cover all and that all can be saved when at the same time you believe that He did not die for all and purposely made it so that only certain people, and not all people, would be saved. So, how exactly is Jesus's atonement sufficient to cover all so that all can be saved when, in your view, He did not die for all and God purposely makes it so that some cannot be saved by not giving them the faith they need to be saved that, in your view, only He can provide?

It just doesn't make the kind of sense we want it to, at least sometimes. But, as God says through the prophet Isaiah (55:8-11):

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts. For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, so shall My Word be that goes out from My mouth; it shall not return to Me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it."
This is a cop out response. We are told a great deal about salvation and how it comes about in scripture. It is not some mystery that can't be explained and that only God knows.

I mean, never would you really do such a thing,
But, you do often.

I know, but really, that accusation is against God Himself.
LOL. No, it's an accusation against your understanding of God Himself.
 
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Where do you (anyone) disagree with this timeline of year end events in chapter 20?


Timeline

1. The Second Coming of Christ and the First Resurrection (the righteous dead)
  • The dead in Christ will rise first, and those who are alive in the faith will be caught up together with them.
Key verses:

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout... and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds…”
1 Corinthians 15:51-52
“...we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed... at the last trump... the dead shall be raised incorruptible…”
Revelation 20:4-6
“...and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years... this is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection…”

2.a. The Wicked Alive Are Destroyed by the Brightness of His Coming
  • Those who rejected Christ and are still alive at His coming will be slain.
Key verses:

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
“...the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven... taking vengeance on them that know not God...”
2 Thessalonians 2:8
“...whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming…”
Revelation 19:21
“And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse…”

2.b. The Beast and the False Prophet Are Thrown into the Lake of Fire
  • The beast and the false prophet into the lake of fire.
Key verse:

Revelation 19:20
“And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet... These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.”

3. Satan Is Bound and Cast into the Abyss for 1,000 Years
  • Satan is temporarily imprisoned, unable to deceive the nations during the millennium.
Key verses:

Revelation 20:1-3
“...And he laid hold on the dragon... and bound him a thousand years, and cast him into the bottomless pit...”

4. The Millennium – The Saints Reign with Christ (7th day Sabbath)
  • The righteous are with Christ; the earth lies desolate.
Key verses:

Revelation 20:4
“...they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
Jeremiah 4:23-26 (symbolic description of a desolate earth during the millennium)​

5.a. Satan Is Loosed After the 1,000 Years
  • Satan is released and gathers the wicked for one final rebellion.
Key verses:

Revelation 20:7-9
“And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed... to deceive the nations... they went up... and compassed the camp of the saints...”

5.b. Satan Is Destroyed in the Lake of Fire
  • After his final rebellion, Satan is cast into the lake of fire.
Key verse:

Revelation 20:10
“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone...”

5.c. The Second Resurrection – The Wicked Dead Are Raised for Judgment
  • All the unrighteous dead are resurrected to face final judgment.
Key verse:

Revelation 20:5
“But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished...”

6. The Great White Throne Judgment
  • The final judgment of the wicked before eternal destruction.
Key verses:

Revelation 20:11-15
“And I saw a great white throne... and the dead were judged... and whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”

7. A New Heaven and a New Earth
  • After sin and death are destroyed, God creates a new, eternal home for the redeemed.
Key verses:

Revelation 21:1-4
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth... and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes...”
 

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Where do you (anyone) disagree with this timeline of year end events in chapter 20?


Timeline

1. The Second Coming of Christ and the First Resurrection (the righteous dead)
  • The dead in Christ will rise first, and those who are alive in the faith will be caught up together with them.
Key verses:

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout... and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds…”
1 Corinthians 15:51-52
“...we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed... at the last trump... the dead shall be raised incorruptible…”
Revelation 20:4-6
“...and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years... this is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection…”
You are taking 1 Thessalonians 4:16 out of context. The dead in Christ rising first is not a reference to the first resurrection. It is a reference to the fact that after Jesus descends from heaven, the first thing that will happen is that the dead in Christ are resurrected. Then they, together with those who are alive and remain, will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.

According to scripture, Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

According to Paul, what you think is the first resurrection is actually the second resurrection because Christ's resurrection is the first resurrection. So, I believe you need to adjust your understanding of Revelation 20 accordingly.

2.a. The Wicked Alive Are Destroyed by the Brightness of His Coming
  • Those who rejected Christ and are still alive at His coming will be slain.
Key verses:

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
“...the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven... taking vengeance on them that know not God...”
2 Thessalonians 2:8
“...whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming…”
Revelation 19:21
“And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse…”

2.b. The Beast and the False Prophet Are Thrown into the Lake of Fire
  • The beast and the false prophet into the lake of fire.
Key verse:

Revelation 19:20
“And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet... These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.”
Yes, I agree with this. With this in mind, there are no mortals who would survive and populate the earth for a thousand years. Which I think you agree with because I think your view is similar to Seventh-Day Adventists where you think the earth is desolate for a thousand years and Jesus reigns with His people in heaven during that time. But, then, where do the rebels on the earth who number "as the sand of the sea" in Revelation 20:7-9 come from?

3. Satan Is Bound and Cast into the Abyss for 1,000 Years
  • Satan is temporarily imprisoned, unable to deceive the nations during the millennium.
Key verses:

Revelation 20:1-3
“...And he laid hold on the dragon... and bound him a thousand years, and cast him into the bottomless pit...”

4. The Millennium – The Saints Reign with Christ (7th day Sabbath)
  • The righteous are with Christ; the earth lies desolate.
Key verses:

Revelation 20:4
“...they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
Jeremiah 4:23-26 (symbolic description of a desolate earth during the millennium)​

5.a. Satan Is Loosed After the 1,000 Years
  • Satan is released and gathers the wicked for one final rebellion.
Key verses:

Revelation 20:7-9
“And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed... to deceive the nations... they went up... and compassed the camp of the saints...”

5.b. Satan Is Destroyed in the Lake of Fire
  • After his final rebellion, Satan is cast into the lake of fire.
Key verse:

Revelation 20:10
“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone...”

5.c. The Second Resurrection – The Wicked Dead Are Raised for Judgment
  • All the unrighteous dead are resurrected to face final judgment.
Key verse:

Revelation 20:5
“But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished...”

6. The Great White Throne Judgment
  • The final judgment of the wicked before eternal destruction.
Key verses:

Revelation 20:11-15
“And I saw a great white throne... and the dead were judged... and whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”

7. A New Heaven and a New Earth
  • After sin and death are destroyed, God creates a new, eternal home for the redeemed.
Key verses:

Revelation 21:1-4
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth... and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes...”
Obviously, I'm not going to agree with your timing of all this since I don't see the thousand years as following Christ's return.