Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

[Spiritual Israelite]

Perhaps what Christ was saying, when He said this, "for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth," was that the hour is coming, when the time of the final judgement will occur, all who are in the graves at the time when the final judgement will occur, "will hear his voice and come forth."

Yes, that's what He was saying. He indicated that all of the dead will be resurrected at the same time and will then be judged. This will occur at His second coming. We can see all people being judged at the same time in passages like Matthew 25:31-46.

The question that is being addressed by you is when is Christ's second coming?

Does Christ's second coming occur in the near future such that He will rule the earth as the High Priest for the face of the earth or does He exercise His Priestly Rule in Heaven?

If we have this second advent of Christ wrong, then our understanding of the End Time will be screwed.

He rules from heaven now, but has all power in heaven and earth (Matthew 28:18). He will deliver the kingdom to the Father when He comes in the future at the end of the age (1 Cor 15:22-24, Matt 13:36-43).

 

[Douggg]

Why did Jesus say that ALL who are in the graves will be resurrected at the same time if that isn't true?

I already answered. Jesus gave a general statement at that time in John 5, because He did not want to reveal what the gospel of salvation and its basis would be ahead of time (prior to His death and resurrection).

The reason He did not want to reveal it is in 1Corinthians2:7-8. It had to be kept a mystery.

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

The princes of this world is referring to Satan and his angels. Jesus death on the cross provides the means by which God can forgive men of their sins, which also means God can justly judge and condemn Satan and his angels for their sins.

Satan was the originator of sin, and through Satan's deception man fell into sin.

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So.... What does this sentence in Revelation 20:5 mean to you ?

"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished."

 

[Davy]

The unsaved dead will also be resurrected (6.). But not on the day of Christ's return.

ALL... the 'dead' will be raised on the day of Christ's coming, for that is what Lord Jesus showed in John 5:28-29.

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV

I'm sorry that you don't like that above Scripture by Lord Jesus Christ Himself because it upsets the little false pre-trib rapture apple-cart that you have chosen to believe instead. Time is running out to leave those doctrines of men you follow instead, and LISTEN to what The LORD says in His Word.

 

[Douggg]

ALL... the 'dead' will be raised on the day of Christ's coming, for that is what Lord Jesus showed in John 5:28-29.

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV

I'm sorry that you don't like that above Scripture by Lord Jesus Christ Himself because it upsets the little false pre-trib rapture apple-cart that you have chosen to believe instead. Time is running out to leave those doctrines of men you follow instead, and LISTEN to what The LORD says in His Word.

What does this sentence in Revelation 20:5 mean to you ?
"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished."

 

[Davidpt]

ALL... the 'dead' will be raised on the day of Christ's coming, for that is what Lord Jesus showed in John 5:28-29.

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV

I'm sorry that you don't like that above Scripture by Lord Jesus Christ Himself because it upsets the little false pre-trib rapture apple-cart that you have chosen to believe instead. Time is running out to leave those doctrines of men you follow instead, and LISTEN to what The LORD says in His Word.

The fact you are a Premil your view makes zero sense. What do you do with Revelation 20:5 per your view? After all, that's involving a resurrection which means at the beginning of the millennium they remain dead and are not raised from the dead until after the millennium. Except you have them raised from the dead at the beginning of the millennium. Man, you're confused. It would be different if you were an Amil. At least your view would make sense in that case. Your view certainly doesn't make sense if you are Premil, though. Maybe you need to quit persecuting Amils and join their side instead since you obviously reject what Revelation 20:5 records, that it's involving raising them after the thousand years. How can you possibly be Premil if you can't even accept what Revelation 20:5 records?

 

[soberxp]

The 1,000 Years Reign with Christ by what?
By Politics？
By wars?
By money?

 

[Davy]

What does this sentence in Revelation 20:5 mean to you ?
"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished."

I've explained that before, but no one is listening.

Since Jesus showed in John 5 that ALL... the dead are raised on the day of His coming. How... is it then that men's doctrines go against what He said, and treat those "dead" of Rev.20:5 like they are still in the graves? Thinking with their 'flesh' is all they are doing, not having understood what Apostle Paul taught about the type body of the world to come when Jesus returns. (See Isaiah 25:5-9).

 

[soberxp]

I've explained that before, but no one is listening.

Since Jesus showed in John 5 that ALL... the dead are raised on the day of His coming. How... is it then that men's doctrines go against what He said, and treat those "dead" of Rev.20:5 like they are still in the graves? Thinking with their 'flesh' is all they are doing, not having understood what Apostle Paul taught about the type body of the world to come when Jesus returns. (See Isaiah 25:5-9).

I believe what you trying to tell,But explaining this doesn't seem to help much in understanding God's word,if they don't believe it.

Let me ask you one question.
The 1,000 Years Reign with Christ by what?
By Politics？
By wars?
By money?

 

[Davy]

The fact you are a Premil your view makes zero sense.

The idea that Jesus comes prior... to His future Millennial 1,000 years reign is what is WRITTEN. Man's Amill theory is NOT WRITTEN. So for me, EASY choice; I believe The Bible AS WRITTEN. So much for you silly remark above.

What do you do with Revelation 20:5 per your view? After all, that's involving a resurrection which means at the beginning of the millennium they remain dead and are not raised from the dead until after the millennium. Except you have them raised from the dead at the beginning of the millennium. Man, you're confused. It would be different if you were an Amil. At least your view would make sense in that case. Your view certainly doesn't make sense if you are Premil, though. Maybe you need to quit persecuting Amils and join their side instead since you obviously reject what Revelation 20:5 records, that it's involving raising them after the thousand years. How can you possibly be Premil if you can't even accept what Revelation 20:5 records?

Like Jesus said in John 5:28-29, ALL... in graves will be raised on the day of His coming.

So what does that mean who those "dead" of Rev.20:5 represent AFTER His coming, for that is the timing there at that Rev.20:5 verse? We know they are not still in graves, so what does that idea of their being "dead" mean for that time?

Matt 23:27
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
KJV

Luke 11:44
44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.
KJV

 

[Davy]

I believe what you trying to tell,But explaining this doesn't seem to help much in understanding God's word,if they don't believe it.

Let me ask you one question.
The 1,000 Years Reign with Christ by what?
By Politics？
By wars?
By money?

Not sure what you are asking, because Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20 will not involve "Politics", nor "wars", nor "money".

When Lord Jesus returns on the last day of this present world, God's "consuming fire" of 2 Peter 3 and Hebrews 12 is going to burn man's works off this earth, and those things will be no more. Only the things of God's creation will remain.

And per Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:6, He showed that the very end of this present world, for the time just PRIOR to His return, there will be no more war. That relates to Daniel 8 which points to the coming final Antichrist destroying at the end using 'peace', and craft will prosper by his hand. This is also why Apostle Paul in 1 Thess.5 showed that near the end the deceived will be saying, "Peace and safety", and then the "sudden destruction" will come upon them (on the last day when Jesus comes).

Thus the coming final Antichrist/false-Messiah is coming to setup himself up in place of Jesus Christ, as King of the world over all nations and all peoples. But he will secretly hate God's people and those who believe on Jesus Christ. This is why Jesus warned in Mark 13 that some brethren in Christ at the end will be delivered up to give a Testimony against the beast system via The Holy Spirit. God's "two witnesses" in Jerusalem at the end will be doing the same thing, until Satan ascends from the bottomless pit and kills them.

 

[soberxp]

Not sure what you are asking, because Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20 will not involve "Politics", nor "wars", nor "money".

When Lord Jesus returns on the last day of this present world, God's "consuming fire" of 2 Peter 3 and Hebrews 12 is going to burn man's works off this earth, and those things will be no more. Only the things of God's creation will remain.

And per Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:6, He showed that the very end of this present world, for the time just PRIOR to His return, there will be no more war. That relates to Daniel 8 which points to the coming final Antichrist destroying at the end using 'peace', and craft will prosper by his hand. This is also why Apostle Paul in 1 Thess.5 showed that near the end the deceived will be saying, "Peace and safety", and then the "sudden destruction" will come upon them (on the last day when Jesus comes).

Thus the coming final Antichrist/false-Messiah is coming to setup himself up in place of Jesus Christ, as King of the world over all nations and all peoples. But he will secretly hate God's people and those who believe on Jesus Christ. This is why Jesus warned in Mark 13 that some brethren in Christ at the end will be delivered up to give a Testimony against the beast system via The Holy Spirit. God's "two witnesses" in Jerusalem at the end will be doing the same thing, until Satan ascends from the bottomless pit and kills them.

The 1,000 Years Reign with Christ by the word of God.

 

[Davy]

The 1,000 Years Reign with Christ by the word of God.

What? Are you wanting to understand more about that future "thousand years" reign by Christ and His elect saints?

 

[Douggg]

I've explained that before, but no one is listening.

Since Jesus showed in John 5 that ALL... the dead are raised on the day of His coming. How... is it then that men's doctrines go against what He said, and treat those "dead" of Rev.20:5 like they are still in the graves? Thinking with their 'flesh' is all they are doing, not having understood what Apostle Paul taught about the type body of the world to come when Jesus returns. (See Isaiah 25:5-9).

Davy,

The sentence in Revelation 20:5...

"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished."

....the phrase "rest of the dead" indicates that not everyone is raised on the day of His coming.

The "rest of the dead" will not be raised until a thousand years later for the the Great White Throne Judgment.

 

[soberxp]

What? Are you wanting to understand more about that future "thousand years" reign by Christ and His elect saints?

No, I mean the "thousand years" reign though the word of God with Jesus Christ.

 

[Davy]

Davy,

The sentence in Revelation 20:5...

"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished."

....the phrase "rest of the dead" indicates that not everyone is raised on the day of His coming.

The "rest of the dead" will not be raised until a thousand years later for the the Great White Throne Judgment.

Wrong.
That "rest of the dead" phrase is only in contrast to those of the "first resurrection" that were raised unto Christ, meaning John 5:28-29 again, since BOTH the Just and the unjust are resurrected on that day of Christ's coming.

And that "lived not again" idea is related to after... the 1,000 years when the book of life is opened at God's Great White Throne Judgment.

Can you not understand that since we are told there is a "FIRST resurrection" unto Eternal Life, that ordinal number 1st implies... at least another resurrection LIKE IT? And what KIND of resurrection is the "first resurrection" per Rev.20? The second implied resurrection is also a resurrection unto Eternal Life in Christ, with not being subject to the "second death" casting into the "lake of fire".

And that's the hinge-point in understanding about those "dead" of Rev.20:5, i.e., the "second death" which those "dead" will still be subject to throughout Christ's 1,000 years reign with His elect.

 

[Davy]

Davy,

The sentence in Revelation 20:5...

"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished."

....the phrase "rest of the dead" indicates that not everyone is raised on the day of His coming.

The "rest of the dead" will not be raised until a thousand years later for the the Great White Throne Judgment.

OK, here's another approach to understand that within The Scriptures.

In Isaiah 25 is where Apostle Paul got the idea of Death Swallowed Up in Victory. Thing is, in Isaiah 25 it is pointing that for ALL NATIONS that are left. So when Paul said "all" shall be "changed" in 1 Corinthians 15, he meant literally... ALL nations and peoples at the end of this world when Jesus comes. Yet men's doctrines instead interpret Paul to mean ONLY those of Christ's Church will be "changed" to Paul's "spiritual body" at that "last trump".

Apostle Paul, no doubt from help by The Holy Spirit, was a lot smarter than what many give him credit. Paul often pointed to a DETAIL first given in the Old Testament prophets with only mention of it in passing. That he did with that "swallow up death in victory" idea from Isaiah 25:8. The further detail of that still future prophecy is in those Isaiah 25:6-9 verses. Yet what do men's doctrines instead try to get us to do? "Ah, that Isaiah Scripture is all history, and not relevant to The New Testament."

Going Deeper:
In 2 Corinthians 5, Apostle Paul revealed that we also have, right now, at this present time, another type body other than our flesh body, a spirit body of the heavenly dimension. Hebrews 4:12 confirms this, as does Eccl.12:5-7. We have that spirit body type already dwelling inside our flesh body. And our soul part (our person) is attached to that spirit body.

That is the "spiritual body" which Paul was teaching in the 1 Corinthians 15 chapter. Paul also referred to that spirit body as the "image of the heavenly". What that means is, whether here in this 'earthly' dimension, or in the heavenly dimension, one must manifest with an outward image body likeness. That is what the resurrection body, or "spiritual body" is, just an OUTWARD image likeness. Even the devil and his angels have that spirit body outward likeness in the heavenly. That spirit body thus is a neutral type thing, the same kind of body for all in the heavenly, and it originates from God's Own outward likeness of the image of man. This is why all the angels are referred to as 'sons of God'.

Many brethren in Christ have difficulty grasping this, but shouldn't. It's because we are so accustomed to our flesh body for this present world that it's difficult to even think of not having this flesh body in Christ's future Kingdom. Fact is per God's Word, we won't have these flesh bodies anymore once Jesus returns. And that applies to the unsaved also.

What this means also, is that "spiritual body" DOES NOT mean automatic Salvation in Christ Jesus. We must go through that 'change' to the "spiritual body" to have eternal Life through Jesus, that's true, however the "resurrection of damnation" means they too will have that "spiritual body", the outward image in the heavenly. Their difference though is the wicked will still be subject to the "second death" after Christ's 1,000 years reign. And Apostle Paul even revealed this point in the Greek of 1 Cor.15:53-54, as Paul was pointing to TWO 'changes' one must go through to have Eternal Life. The first change is from flesh to the "spiritual body". And the second change is "this mortal" (meaning one's soul), must put on immortality through Faith on Jesus Christ.

The "dead" of Rev.20:5 thus are raised on the day of Christ's coming too, to the "resurrection of damnation" of John 5:28-29. That means they too will have the resurrection body type, which is Paul's "spiritual body". But their souls will still not have put on immortality through Faith on Jesus Christ, and they will still be liable to perish at the "second death" of being cast into the "lake of fire" after the 1,000 years. This is why they called "the dead"; it means they are spiritually dead, like those Pharisees Jesus rebuked as being spiritually dead, like whited tombs that are full of dead men's bones. That's how "the dead" of Rev.20:5 are meant, because in that time no one will still be in flesh bodies, not even the resurrected wicked.

 

[Davy]

No, I mean the "thousand years" reign though the word of God with Jesus Christ.

That "thousand years" period of Revelation 20 will begin on the day of Lord Jesus Christ's return. That means the last day... of this present world.

Per Psalms 2, Christ is promised to reign over the nations with His "rod of iron". Per Revelation 2, Jesus promised His elect that overcome also will reign with Him over the nations using that "rod of iron".

Who would that "rod of iron" be for? Zechariah 14:16-19 gives us a hint.

Per that Zechariah 14 Scripture, leftovers of the nations that will have come up against Israel on the last day of this present world, will exist during Christ's future reign after His return. Those nations will be made to come up to Jerusalem from year to year to worship The KING (Jesus Christ) and keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

Those nations which refuse... to come up to Jerusalem and worship, there will be no rain upon their lands. What that reveals is during Christ's future "thousand years" reign, the unsaved nations will still have the choice to rebel. But NOT cause a war, because per Rev.20:7-10, when Satan is loosed one final time to go deceive those nations to come up against the "camp of the saints" on earth, they will be destroyed. They won't even have a chance to make war, their destruction will be over so fast.

It is the same for the last day of this world when Jesus comes. Satan's great host of armies out of the northern quarters will try and attack God's people on the last day of this world, but they won't have a chance; they will be burned up by Christ at His coming, as Jesus will step in and stop them. Rev.16:21 even mentions hailstones weighing a talent (70-120 lbs.) will rain upon men on that day.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I already answered. Jesus gave a general statement at that time in John 5, because He did not want to reveal what the gospel of salvation and its basis would be ahead of time (prior to His death and resurrection).

That's total nonsense and an extremely weak reason to not accept what Jesus said in John 5:28-29. Your willingness to just make scripture say whatever you want it to say at times is disgusting.

The reason He did not want to reveal it is in 1Corinthians2:7-8. It had to be kept a mystery.

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

This has nothing to do with John 5:28-29 whatsoever. You have to make things like this up in order to keep your doctrine afloat. Jesus said that all of the dead will be resurrected at the same time and you insult the Great God and King of the Universe by twisting His words like this! If you don't accept what He said in John 5:28-29, then what else did He say that you don't accept?

So.... What does this sentence in Revelation 20:5 mean to you ?

"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished."

You barely deserve any response to this question after your joke of a response to mine. But, as horrible as your response is, I guess it is still a response, so I'll go ahead and answer your question now.

To answer that question requires looking at the surrounding verses for context as well as looking at the rest of scripture relating to Jesus reigning, His people being priests and the resurrection of the dead.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So, verse 4 refers to souls that John saw and He saw them living and reigning with Christ a thousand years, which would be in heaven because that is where Christ and the souls of the dead in Christ are located. There is then a parenthetical statement in verse 5 about the rest of the dead who are not among the dead referenced in verse 4 who live and reign with Christ, not living again until after the thousand years. That parenthetical statement is followed up by the statement "This is the first resurrection", which is not a reference to the resurrection of the rest of the dead, but refers to those who have part in the first resurrection, which are the dead referenced in verse 4.

Now, if verse 4 was referring to a mass bodily resurrection of believers, then it would have to be referring to the mass bodily resurrection of all of the dead in Christ since scripture teaches that all of the dead who are in Christ (not just dead martyrs) will be resurrected at the same time (1 Corinthians 15:22-23). But, you don't even believe that. You think it's a resurrection of only dead martyrs, but that doesn't line up with the rest of scripture, which you don't seem to care about.

But, we can't even interpret the first resurrection as being the mass bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ either because Daniel, in Daniel 12:1-2, and Jesus, in John 5:28-29, taught that believers and unbelievers will be resurrected at the same time. So, we can't look at what Daniel and Jesus taught and then contradict that by thinking that Revelation 20 teaches something different in terms of believers being resurrected a thousand years (plus Satan's little season) before unbelievers.

So, in order to interpret Revelation 20:5 in such a way that does not contradict any other scripture, I believe the rest of the dead refer to all unbelievers from all-time while all believers from all-time have part in the first resurrection, because verse 6 indicates that is required in order to avoid the second death (being cast into the lake of fire).

So, to make Revelation 20 line up with the rest of scripture, I believe that the first resurrection itself refers to Christ's resurrection because that is what scripture teaches.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Since Christ's resurrection is the first resurrection, that means the reference in Rev 20:6 to having part in the first resurrection has to refer to having part in Christ's resurrection in some way. And, all believers have part in His resurrection spiritually, as verses like the following teach:

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

So, the difference between our interpretations of Revelation 20:5 and Revelation 20 as a whole is because of us taking completely different approaches to interpreting it. I establish my doctrine on clear passages of scripture, such as Matthew 28:18, Revelation 1:5-6, John 5:28-29, 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 and Matthew 25:31-46. I interpret Revelation 20 based on my understanding of those more clear passages which teach that Jesus has been reigning since His resurrection, that His people have been reigning with Him as priests since that time, that Jesus's resurrection is the first resurrection, that we spiritually have part in His resurrection, that all of the dead will be resurrected at the same time and that all people will be judged at the same time.

 

[Timtofly]

Disagree. That would be everyone, and would mean God has mercy and compassion not on those whom He will but on everyone, which would mean everyone is saved. And that, unfortunately, is not true. God has made some for honorable use, and some for dishonorable use, and this is according to and the result of His purpose of election. And, as Creator, He has every right to do, and is perfectly just in doing just that.

That does not mean every one is saved.

It means they can be saved if they chose salvation. Being made for a purpose is not the same as election. We are not born to be elected. We are elected because we were born.

God has the freedom to pardon all, even if they reject that pardon.

 

[Douggg]

Wrong.
That "rest of the dead" phrase is only relating to those of the "first resurrection" that were raised unto Christ, meaning John 5:28-29 again, since BOTH the Just and the unjust are resurrected on that day of Christ's coming.

And that "lived not again" idea is related to after... the 1,000 years when the book of life is opened at God's Great White Throne Judgment.

Can you not understand that since we are told there is a "FIRST resurrection" unto Eternal Life, that ordinal number 1st implies... at least another resurrection LIKE IT? And what KIND of resurrection is the "first resurrection" per Rev.20? The second implied resurrection is also a resurrection unto Eternal Life in Christ, with not being subject to the "second death" casting into the "lake of fire".

And that's the hinge-point in understanding about those "dead" of Rev.20:5, i.e., the "second death" which those "dead" will still be subject to throughout Christ's 1,000 years reign with His elect.

Davy, you are not making any sense.

The resurrection of the great tribulation martyrs is in Revelation 20:4 to live and reign with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:5 says the rest of the dead are not resurrected until after the thousand years are finished