Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

[Scott Downey]

Premils somehow have some "who do not know God" and "do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ" surviving His return, but I don't see where that is indicated at all in the text. Why would some unbelievers be allowed to survive and the rest not? What would be different about them that would allow them to survive? Nothing. Premills like to try to say that they are the ones who take scripture literally, but if you take this scripture literally then you can see that no living unbeliever will survive the return of Christ. And that is taught in other scriptures like Matthew 24:35-39, Luke 17:26-30, 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 as well.

Ha, I thought of the same verse you did!
Of course, no unbeliever has eternal life, they perish as they do not believe in Christ, and flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God. This new world to come won't be for the flesh, which turns into corruption as it is not eternal.

1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Ha, I thought of the same verse you did!
Of course, no unbeliever has eternal life, they perish as they do not believe in Christ, and flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God. This new world to come won't be for the flesh, which turns into corruption as it is not eternal.

1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Yeah, I saw that. That's funny. Nice to see that we're on the same page.

 

[Scott Downey]

John 8

23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

Isaiah 13:9
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

 

[Davy]

The order of resurrection and we are also the first fruits of Christ, of Christ's ministering, He saved us.

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Nah... you are trying... to place that "firstfruits" idea of Christ's resurrection to all... those events of 1 Corinthians 15:23-28 that Apostle Paul covered, which are NOT ALL THE SAME TIMING.
By your doing that, it shows YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING BIBLE SCRIPTURE.

1 Cor 15:23-26
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming.

Per Romans 8:23, Romans 16:5, 1 Corinthians 16:15, James 1:18, and Revelation 14:4, those in Christ also are represented by that "firstfruits" idea. So that includes the "spirits in prison" that Jesus went to and preached The Gospel to and led out those who believed (1 Peter 3, from the prophecy in Isaiah 42:7). And it incudes the "asleep" saints who have died in Christ. And it will include the saints who remain faithful waiting on Jesus to return throughout the future "great tribulation".

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.

Amills misinterpret the above verses, of course according to their 'own' theories.

The proper interpretation of the above verses though is -- that "end" ONLY comes AFTER Christ Jesus has done that putting down all rule and all authority and power, meaning over HIS ENEMIES that will STILL EXIST throughout His future "thousand years" reign!

Can I prove that in God's Word?? Yeah! EASY! What Jesus said to His elect Church of Philadelphia, that He will make those of the "synagogue of Satan" to come worship at His elect's feet, is one such Scripture proof of the wicked STILL EXISTING after Jesus' return, and shows His future time of REIGN OVER THE WICKED.

The Zechariah 14 chapter about the leftovers of the nations that came up against Jerusalem on the last day of this world being made to bow to Christ as KING after His return is another EASY Bible proof of the wicked still existing AFTER Christ's future return. Just the fact that Jesus will rule with His "rod of iron" over the NATIONS reveals the UNSAVED will still exist AFTER His future return. EASY!

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
KJV

That destruction of death, if one will notice, is mentioned to happen only AFTER CHRIST'S HAVING PUT DOWN ALL RULE AND AUTHORITY OF HIS ENEMIES. And like I said, He has promised to make even those of the "synagogue of Satan" to come bow in worship to Him at the feet of His elect (Rev.3:9). That has NEVER happened during this present world time. It is for Christ's future reign with the "rod of iron".

 

[Scott Downey]

Isaiah 24
1 Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

2 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.

3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.

4 The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.

5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

7 The new wine mourneth, the vine languisheth, all the merryhearted do sigh.

8 The mirth of tabrets ceaseth, the noise of them that rejoice endeth, the joy of the harp ceaseth.

9 They shall not drink wine with a song; strong drink shall be bitter to them that drink it.

10 The city of confusion is broken down: every house is shut up, that no man may come in.

11 There is a crying for wine in the streets; all joy is darkened, the mirth of the land is gone.

12 In the city is left desolation, and the gate is smitten with destruction.

13 When thus it shall be in the midst of the land among the people, there shall be as the shaking of an olive tree, and as the gleaning grapes when the vintage is done.

14 They shall lift up their voice, they shall sing for the majesty of the Lord, they shall cry aloud from the sea.

15 Wherefore glorify ye the Lord in the fires, even the name of the Lord God of Israel in the isles of the sea.

16 From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs, even glory to the righteous. But I said, My leanness, my leanness, woe unto me! the treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously; yea, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously.

17 Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.

18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.

19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.

20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

 

[Scott Downey]

Obadiah 1

15 For the day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.

16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.

17 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.

18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the Lord hath spoken it.

Only for those in Christ will there be salvation, if there is no salvation for the others, then they won't be around to inherit the earth will they.

Hebrews 9
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

 

[Scott Downey]

1 Peter 1, Salvation is for those who BELIEVE, not for them which believe not, it is also only for them God has foreknown as His own special people, not for them He has not known. Salvation is only for God's ELECT. To the others he will say depart from ME, I never knew you.

5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials.


1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,

To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:

Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

Praise to God for a Living Hope​

3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7 These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8 Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9 for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.

10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, 11 trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow. 12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.

Be Holy​

13 Therefore, with minds that are alert and fully sober, set your hope on the grace to be brought to you when Jesus Christ is revealed at his coming. 14 As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. 15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”[a]

17 Since you call on a Father who judges each person’s work impartially, live out your time as foreigners here in reverent fear. 18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart.[b] 23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24 For,

“All people are like grass,
and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall,
25 but the word of the Lord endures forever.”[c]
And this is the word that was preached to you.

 

[Scott Downey]

Matthew 7, the word of Christ clarifies who are saved and who is damned. Damned people go to hell they don't enter into the kingdom of God and have no part with us who believe. They are excluded and separated from God eternally.
They will not be around for any such 'millennial reign on earth or heaven'

The Narrow Way​

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 [c]Because narrow is the gate and [d]difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

You Will Know Them by Their Fruits​

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

I Never Knew You​

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Build on the Rock​

24 “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: 25 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.

26 “But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: 27 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.”

28 And so it was, when Jesus had ended these sayings, that the people were astonished at His teaching, 29 for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

 

[Davy]

This fake teaching says some believing Jews and Gentiles are excluded from being glorified??
Will have earthly bodies, marry and have unsaved kids...they survived the tribulation...as those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel, when Christ returned but they survived. Goes entirely against what scripture says.
They drag out these memes from the OT prophecies which they interpret, because you do not find any of it in the New Testament
....

No babies born after Christ's future coming. God's "consuming fire" is going to end man's time in a flesh body for this present world.


Death Swallowed Up In Victory:

Here is where Apostle Paul was quoting from in 1 Corinthians 15 about death being swallowed up in victory, which will be for ALL NATIONS AND PEOPLES at Jesus' future return. Only the remaining UNSAVED after Jesus returns will be subject to the "SECOND DEATH", which will be the ONLY type of death then remaining.

Isa 25:5-9
5 Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.

That above event is about the last day of this world, when God's "consuming fire" will burn man's works off the surface of this earth on the "day of the Lord", the day of Jesus' future return.

Man's works is not all it will end on that future day of Christ's coming. It will end mankind's time in the flesh also.

6 And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.

Could that be about Christ's future wedding supper feast? Notice the above says, "unto all people"! It may include Christ's future feast with His elect, but God is going to make a feast for ALL PEOPLES then too. The end of this present world is going to be a celebration for ALL remaining peoples, not only Christ's elect. Remember what Peter said in 2 Peter 3, that it is God's desire that not any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance (and believe on Jesus Christ it infers).

7 And He will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

That "face of the covering cast over all people" literally means the 'veil cast over all people'. What veil? The veil of this FLESH WORLD. God did not make us of flesh only, you know; He also made us with a soul and a spirit, both which are of the heavenly order, and non-flesh (Hebrews 4:12).

In 2 Corinthians 5, Apostle Paul revealed that if our flesh house were suddenly dissolved, we still have another house (spirit body), not made with hands, but eternal from God. Paul was pointing to our "spiritual body" that dwells inside our flesh body, and steps out at death of our flesh.

And that "vail that is spread over all nations" means the 'covering' spread over all nations. That also is about the covering over mankind of FLESH for this present world time.

8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of His people shall He take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

That is what Apostle Paul quoted in 1 Corinthians 15 when he was revealing about the 'change' "at the twinkling of an eye" to the "spiritual body", on the "last trump", which is the 7th trumpet of Revelation, and happens on the LAST DAY of this present world with Christ's coming.

9 And it shall be said in that day, "Lo, This is our God; we have waited for Him, and He will save us: This is the LORD; we have waited for Him, we will be glad and rejoice in His salvation."
KJV

Then, at that time, ALL NATIONS AND PEOPLES will SEE Christ coming in the clouds, as per Lord Jesus in Revelation 1, even those who pierced Him.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Nah... you are trying... to place that "firstfruits" idea of Christ's resurrection to all... those events of 1 Corinthians 15:23-28 that Apostle Paul covered, which are NOT ALL THE SAME TIMING.
By your doing that, it shows YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING BIBLE SCRIPTURE.

1 Cor 15:23-26
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming.

Per Romans 8:23, Romans 16:5, 1 Corinthians 16:15, James 1:18, and Revelation 14:4, those in Christ also are represented by that "firstfruits" idea. So that includes the "spirits in prison" that Jesus went to and preached The Gospel to and led out those who believed (1 Peter 3, from the prophecy in Isaiah 42:7). And it incudes the "asleep" saints who have died in Christ. And it will include the saints who remain faithful waiting on Jesus to return throughout the future "great tribulation".

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.

Amills misinterpret the above verses, of course according to their 'own' theories.

The proper interpretation of the above verses though is -- that "end" ONLY comes AFTER Christ Jesus has done that putting down all rule and all authority and power, meaning over HIS ENEMIES that will STILL EXIST throughout His future "thousand years" reign!

Can I prove that in God's Word?? Yeah! EASY! What Jesus said to His elect Church of Philadelphia, that He will make those of the "synagogue of Satan" to come worship at His elect's feet, is one such Scripture proof of the wicked STILL EXISTING after Jesus' return, and shows His future time of REIGN OVER THE WICKED.

The Zechariah 14 chapter about the leftovers of the nations that came up against Jerusalem on the last day of this world being made to bow to Christ as KING after His return is another EASY Bible proof of the wicked still existing AFTER Christ's future return. Just the fact that Jesus will rule with His "rod of iron" over the NATIONS reveals the UNSAVED will still exist AFTER His future return. EASY!

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
KJV

That destruction of death, if one will notice, is mentioned to happen only AFTER CHRIST'S HAVING PUT DOWN ALL RULE AND AUTHORITY OF HIS ENEMIES. And like I said, He has promised to make even those of the "synagogue of Satan" to come bow in worship to Him at the feet of His elect (Rev.3:9). That has NEVER happened during this present world time. It is for Christ's future reign with the "rod of iron".

The last enemy, death, will be destroyed when Jesus comes at the last trumpet when it can then be said "Death is swallowed up in victory", fulfilling the prophecy from Isaiah 25:8, which is also quoted in Revelation 21:4.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

It can't be said that "Death is swallowed up in victory" if there would still be death after that. So, the last enemy, death, being destroyed goes hand in hand with death being swallowed up in victory. You're failing to see that Paul was referring back to what he had said in 1 Cor 15:26 in 1 Cor 15:54 while also referring to the prophecy from Isaiah 25:8.

 

[Davy]

The last enemy, death, will be destroyed when Jesus comes at the last trumpet when it can then be said "Death is swallowed up in victory", fulfilling the prophecy from Isaiah 25:8, which is also quoted in Revelation 21:4.

Nope! You are confused... about the difference between FLESH DEATH and the "SECOND DEATH" of the casting into the future "lake of fire" . The "second death" is mentioned in Rev.20 to only occur after the "thousand years".

The concept... of death is not destroyed until BOTH types of death are destroyed, the final one being the "second death" that will go into the "lake of fire".

1st Death type -- death of one's flesh body

2nd Death type, which Rev.20 calls the "second death" -- death of one's soul and spirit only, cast into the future "lake of fire".


(It's difficult for me to grasp why so many brethren miss about those 2 types of death written of in God's Word. Who are you guys listening to instead?)

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Nope! You are confused... about the difference between FLESH DEATH and the "SECOND DEATH" of the casting into the future "lake of fire" . The "second death" is mentioned in Rev.20 to only occur after the "thousand years".

Are you just unable to communicate clearly? You rarely make any sense. I backed up my claim with scripture by showing the connection between 1 Corinthians 15:26, 1 Corinthians 15:54, Revelation 21:4 and Isaiah 25:8 and all you can say is this nonsense in response? Again, you are not recognizing that Paul gave the timing of the last enemy, death, being destroyed, which is around the time of Christ's second coming at the last trumpet which is when it will be said that death has been swallowed up in victory. Don't give me this "Nope!" nonsense. You clearly don't understand the concept of interpreting scripture with scripture.

The concept... of death is not destroyed until BOTH types of death are destroyed, the final one being the "second death" that will go into the "lake of fire".

This shows your lack of attention to detail. The second death is not said to go into the lake of fire. It's says the second death IS the lake of fire. In other words, when those whose names are not written in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire, that is when they will experience the second death and it will be eternal. It never says that the second death will be destroyed. Try slowing down and reading what the text actually says instead of adding your own nonsense to it.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

1st Death type -- death of one's flesh body

2nd Death type, which Rev.20 calls the "second death" -- death of one's soul and spirit only, cast into the future "lake of fire".


(It's difficult for me to grasp why so many brethren miss about those 2 types of death written of in God's Word. Who are you guys listening to instead?)

Where did I give any indication that I'm not aware of the 2 types of death? Nowhere! You just make things up in your imagination. It is death that is the last enemy that will be destroyed. Death will be cast into the lake of fire. It doesn't say that the second death is cast into the lake of fire. So, it's talking about the first death. It says nothing about the second death being destroyed.

 

[Davy]

Are you just unable to communicate clearly? You rarely make any sense.

Well keeping to what God's Word says 'as written' isn't very popular.

So if you cannot understand what I am saying with coverage of those Bible Scripture 'as written', then it has to mean you are not given to understand those things written in God's Word.

And NO, you have NOT backed up YOUR claim, because I easily showed how you WENT AGAINST THOSE VERY SCRIPTURES YOU QUOTED!


Would you like to try 1 Corinthians 15 again? Here...

1 Cor 15:23-26
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming.

Per Romans 8:23, Romans 16:5, 1 Corinthians 16:15, James 1:18, and Revelation 14:4, those in Christ all... are represented by that "firstfruits" idea. So that includes the "spirits in prison" that Jesus went to and preached The Gospel to and led out those who believed (1 Peter 3, from the prophecy in Isaiah 42:7). And it incudes the "asleep" saints who have died in Christ. And it will include the saints who remain faithful waiting on Jesus to return throughout the future "great tribulation".

24 Then cometh the end, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.

Amills misinterpret the above verses, of course according to their 'own' theories.

The proper interpretation of the above verses though is -- that "end" ONLY comes AFTER Christ Jesus has done that putting down all rule and all authority and power, meaning over HIS ENEMIES that will STILL EXIST throughout His future "thousand years" reign!

As a further note on the above 24-25 verses, that reveals that ONLY when Jesus has put down all His enemies under His feet, ONLY THEN will He DELIVER UP THE KINGDOM TO THE FATHER. Like Philippians 2:10 says, ALL knees must BOW at the name of Jesus Christ. Zechariah 14 reveals after Christ's future return SOME among the unsaved nations will still REFUSE to come up to Jerusalem and worship Christ The KING, showing rebellion will still be possible by the unsaved nations after Christ's return. (And Voila! the Rev.20 Scripture shows this too with Satan being loosed after the 1,000 years to go tempt the unsaved nations to go up against the "camp of the saints" on earth, and God's fire then rains down upon them.

Can I prove that in God's Word?? Yeah! EASY! What Jesus said to His elect Church of Philadelphia in Revelation 3:9, that He will make those of the "synagogue of Satan" to come worship at His elect's feet, is one such Scripture proof of the wicked STILL EXISTING after Jesus' return, and shows His future time of REIGN OVER THE WICKED.

The Zechariah 14 chapter about the leftovers of the nations that came up against Jerusalem on the last day of this world being made to bow to Christ as KING after His return is another EASY Bible proof of the wicked still existing AFTER Christ's future return. Just the fact that Jesus will rule with His "rod of iron" over the NATIONS reveals the UNSAVED will still exist AFTER His future return. EASY!

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
KJV

That destruction of death, if one will notice, is mentioned to happen only AFTER CHRIST'S HAVING PUT DOWN ALL RULE AND AUTHORITY OF HIS ENEMIES. And like I said, He has promised to make even those of the "synagogue of Satan" to come bow in worship to Him at the feet of His elect (Rev.3:9). That has NEVER happened during this present world time. It is for Christ's future reign with the "rod of iron".

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Well keeping to what God's Word says 'as written' isn't very popular.

What does that even mean? Some of God's word is written in literal text, some in symbolic text, some poetic, some Apocalyptic and so on. But, you probably mean "as written" as all literal, which is a terrible approach to interpreting scripture since it clearly isn't all literal. You need to learn to differentiate between literal text and symbolic text.

So if you cannot understand what I am saying with coverage of those Bible Scripture 'as written', then it has to mean you are not given to understand those things written in God's Word.

LOL. I can understand the Bible just fine. You sometimes are another story. Don't try to equate your babbling with scripture itself.

And NO, you have NOT backed up YOUR claim, because I easily showed how you WENT AGAINST THOSE VERY SCRIPTURES YOU QUOTED!

I absolutely did not. You do nothing but make false claims like this. You have nothing else to offer most of the time.

Would you like to try 1 Corinthians 15 again? Here...

1 Cor 15:23-26
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming.

Per Romans 8:23, Romans 16:5, 1 Corinthians 16:15, James 1:18, and Revelation 14:4, those in Christ all... are represented by that "firstfruits" idea.

You need to try again. Why did you start at verse 23? If you actually read starting at verse 20 you would say that Christ Himself is the firstfruits which means that His resurrection itself was the first resurrection in order. Next in order are those who are His at His second coming.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

This says Christ Himself had become "the firstfruits of them that slept" by way of His resurrection. You didn't bother reading this verse to see the context of 1 Cor 15:23. What that means is that Christ was the first to rise from the dead unto bodily immorality, which is a concept that Paul went into in more detail later in 1 Corinthians 15.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

So that includes the "spirits in prison" that Jesus went to and preached The Gospel to and led out those who believed (1 Peter 3, from the prophecy in Isaiah 42:7). And it incudes the "asleep" saints who have died in Christ. And it will include the saints who remain faithful waiting on Jesus to return throughout the future "great tribulation".
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24 Then cometh the end, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.

Amills misinterpret the above verses, of course according to their 'own' theories.

No, Premills do. It doesn't say "Then a thousand years later cometh the end". The end comes when Jesus comes. He will come up at the end of the age and that is when believers will "shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father". It says "the kingdom of their Father" because that is when Jesus will deliver the kingdom He has been reigning over since His resurrection to the Father and they will reign together for eternity in the new heavens and new earth from that time on.

Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[Davidpt]

It can't be said that "Death is swallowed up in victory" if there would still be death after that. So, the last enemy, death, being destroyed goes hand in hand with death being swallowed up in victory. You're failing to see that Paul was referring back to what he had said in 1 Cor 15:26 in 1 Cor 15:54 while also referring to the prophecy from Isaiah 25:8.

In this case why doesn't context count? Why would you or anyone for that matter interpret that out of context rather than in context? Seriously.

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

The context is rather clear. The context only pertains to the saved and not the lost as well. And verse 57 undeniably proves it. Good luck applying that to the unsaved lost as well. As if it makes sense, Death is swallowed up in victory for the unsaved lost as well. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
But thanks be to God, which giveth the unsaved lost the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Clearly, that would be interpreting this passage way way way out of context.

And besides, when the last trump sounds not all of the unsaved lost on the planet are even dead yet nor has the great white throne judgment begun yet, let alone concluded. Obviously then, there is still death after the last trumpet sounds. Even Revelation 20:7-9, 11-15 proves that fact, regardless when that little season followed by that judgment is meaning. We at least know Revelation 20:11-15 is not meaning the same moment the last trump sounds.

I just can't get on board with how Amils interpret passages like this out of context and how at least one Premil does as well. Probably because context is important to me, and that I think one should never interpret anything out of context if they can help it, especially when the context is ultra crystal clear. Verse 57 makes the context crystal clear unless one has reading comprehension or something.

1 Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.


Not to mention, this can't even get fulfilled until the great white throne judgment has concluded. Yet some of you insist there is no more death as of the last trump. What a ridiculous interpretation. As if contradictions are truths rather than lies.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

In this case why doesn't context count? Why would you or anyone for that matter interpret that out of context rather than in context? Seriously.

Of course context counts. I'm not taking it out of context. You must not be taking it in context by not following the flow of thought that Paul had throughout 1 Corinthians 15. How would you think I wouldn't take context into account here? Seriously yourself. Do you take the context into account that Paul referenced Isaiah 25:8 in 1 Cor 15:54 which is also referenced in Revelation 21:4? That places the timing of death being swallowed up in victory with the timing of there being no more death, which lines up with the last enemy, death, being destroyed.

So, 1 Corinthians 15:54 and Revelation 21:4 refer to the fulfillment of Isaiah 25:8. How can anyone think that death is not destroyed at the pont when there is no more death? You're not using scripture to interpret scripture here.

1 Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

1 Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

You're not recognizing that Paul has an entire narrative throughout 1 Corinthians 15, so after saying that the last enemy that shall be destroyed is death he later gives the timing of when that will happen. At the last trumpet. And he quotes Isaiah 25:8 in 1 Cor 15:54. That's something you clearly have not taken into account.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

So, like 1 Cor 15:54, the verse above references this passage:

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. 8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.

So, with both 1 Cor 15:54 and Revelation 21:4 referencing Isaiah 25:8, that means 1 Cor 15:54 and Rev 21:4 are fulfilled at generally the same time. So, that means not only will death be swallowed up in victory for those who are saved at that point, but there will be no more death at all at that point, according to Revelation 21:4. So, by using scripture ot interpret scripture, we can see the true context of 1 Cor 15:54. Which you didn't bother to look into because you think just looking at the surface of scripture and drawing conclusions from that without looking deeper is enough. It's not.

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

The context is rather clear. The context only pertains to the saved and not the lost as well. And verse 57 undeniably proves it. Good luck applying that to the unsaved lost as well.

Again, 1 Corinthians 15:54 references the fulfillment of Isaiah 25:8 which is also quoted in Revelation 21:4. So, this shows that there is no more death at all once death is swallowed up in victory and not just for those who are saved. Why did you not bother looking up "the saying" that Paul said would "be brought to pass" that says "Death is swallowed up in victory" to get the true context of what that means? And you're trying to tell me about context? You need to learn how to interpret scripture with scripture so that you truly learn how to understand context.

And besides, when the last trump sounds not all of the unsaved lost on the planet are even dead yet nor has the great white throne judgment begun yet, let alone concluded. Obviously then, there is still death after the last trumpet sounds.

The living unsaved lost will be killed at the last trumpet, which is the seventh trumpet of Revelation, as well. Just read Revelation 11:15-18 and you can see that.

Even Revelation 20:7-9, 11-15 proves that fact, regardless when that little season followed by that judgment is meaning. We at least know Revelation 20:11-15 is not meaning the same moment the last trump sounds.

What are you even talking about here? In the Amil view, all unbelievers will be killed when Jesus comes again. Amils like myself believe that everything will happen very quickly, so in my view not only will all believers be changed when the last trumpet sounds, but all living unbelievers will be killed at that point, too. That is what it indicates in Revelation 11:15-18 will happen. Those who destroy the earth will be destroyed at the seventh trumpet. And then no one will die after that because death will be swallowed up in victory.

I just can't get on board with how Amils interpret passages like this out of context

I can't get on board with you constantly misrepresenting Amil and not having any idea of what we actually believe. If you actually understood what we believe, then you would know we're not taking it out context.

and how at least one Premil does as well. Probably because context is important to me, and that I think one should never interpret anything out of context if they can help it, especially when the context is ultra crystal clear. Verse 57 makes the context crystal clear unless one has reading comprehension or something.

You think context isn't important to me? It's extremely important. You have deluded yourself into thinking you are the ultimate authority on what the proper context is regarding this particular topic.

1 Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.


Not to mention, this can't even get fulfilled until the great white throne judgment has concluded. Yet some of you insist there is no more death as of the last trump. What a ridiculous interpretation. As if contradictions are truths rather than lies.

Now you're thinking like Keraz. He uses this kind of logic to conclude that 1 Cor 15:54 is fulfilled at the moment when Revelation 20:14 is fulfilled. That's ridiculous. Once the last person dies, which amils and premils can agree will be when Revelation 20:9 occurs, that will be before Revelation 20:14 occurs. So, can't it be said that there is no more death and death has been destroyed at the moment when the last person has died and no one else dies after that? I would think so. So, it's silly to think that 1 Cor 15:26 can't be true until Revelation 20:14 occurs.

 

[Keraz]

If we followed Him and loved others and cared for the poor and needy the way He wants us to then He will say "Well done, thou good and faithful servants". He won't say anything about our end times beliefs. What will it matter to Him if we believed in Amill or Premill? If you want to know what He cares about the most, read Matthew 25:31-46. You won't see anything there about having the correct end times beliefs. There are both Amills and Premills who love Him and serve Him faithfully and that is what He cares about.

Quite right.
But to promote and teach false theories and unbiblical fables, will have consequences. James 3:1, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15

I see that some here make 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 and Revelation 21:4, as parallel Prophesies. They are, and they both tell of when Death will be no more. Which has to when Eternity comes, with the new heavens and earth. As Rev 21 & 22 describe.

Why can people not see the progression of Gods Plan to redeem the world?
How Jesus came to give us the Gospel, how the world will be changed and severely tested before He Returns, then how there will be a thousand years of beneficent rule of King Jesus. After that, there will be another testing and Satan will again deceive many.

@Davy, has made the case for it to be impossible to have Eternity immediately after Jesus Returns.
Many scriptures show how the Millennium will be physical, on this present earth.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Quite right.
But to promote and teach false theories and unbiblical fables, will have consequences. James 3:1, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15

I see that some here make 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 and Revelation 21:4, as parallel Prophesies.

They both are quoted as being fulfillments of Isaiah 25:8, so I don't know why anyone would not see them as being related. Amils all see those as being directly related. But, all Premils except you do not see them as being parallel. Instead they see those two passages as being fulfilled 1,000+ years apart.

They are, and they both tell of when Death will be no more. Which has to when Eternity comes, with the new heavens and earth. As Rev 21 & 22 describe.

Your view is that death can't be counted as being no more until Revelation 20:14 occurs. But, in my view, there will be no more death after Revelation 20:9 occurs (which I believe occurs when Christ returns at the last trumpet). So, even if death is not yet cast into the lake of fire at that moment, it will still be true that there will be no more death after what is described in Revelation 20:9 occurs. So, in my view, death is swallowed up in victory even before Revelation 20:14 occurs since it can be said that there will be no more death after the seventh and last trumpet sounds and those who destroy the earth are destroyed (Rev 11:18).

Why can people not see the progression of Gods Plan to redeem the world?

I find your particular view of God's plan to be very convoluted. Don't you notice that no one agrees with you about that? Don't you think that means the problem is you and your view instead of everyone else not seeing what you see?

How Jesus came to give us the Gospel, how the world will be changed and severely tested before He Returns, then how there will be a thousand years of beneficent rule of King Jesus. After that, there will be another testing and Satan will again deceive many.

Why would the world need to be tested twice? You have history basically repeating itself in the future for no apparent reason. That makes no sense.

@Davy, has made the case for it to be impossible to have Eternity immediately after Jesus Returns.

Not a convincing case, so that means nothing to me. You guys both have people being resurrected with mortal bodies and then roaming around on the earth in the future. Scripture never teaches such nonsense. When people are resurrected they will then immediately appear before Christ to be judged.

Many scriptures show how the Millennium will be physical, on this present earth.

Many scripture show Jesus as reigning since His resurrection. He said Himself that His kingdom does not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36). Your understanding of His reign contradicts what He said about His kingdom.

 

[Keraz]

They both are quoted as being fulfillments of Isaiah 25:8, so I don't know why anyone would not see them as being related. Amils all see those as being directly related. But, all Premils except you do not see them as being parallel. Instead they see those two passages as being fulfilled 1,000+ years apart.

1 Cor 15:50-56 and Rev 21:1-7 are Prophesies about the same thing, to happen at the same time, that is: AFTER the Millennium.

Your view is that death can't be counted as being no more until Revelation 20:14 occurs. But, in my view, there will be no more death after Revelation 20:9 occurs (which I believe occurs when Christ returns at the last trumpet). So, even if death is not yet cast into the lake of fire at that moment, it will still be true that there will be no more death after what is described in Revelation 20:9 occurs. So, in my view, death is swallowed up in victory even before Revelation 20:14 occurs since it can be said that there will be no more death after the seventh and last trumpet sounds and those who destroy the earth are destroyed (Rev 11:18).

What convoluted and unscriptural ideas.
Rev 21:4 is plain - Death will be no more when the new heavens and earth come.

I find your particular view of God's plan to be very convoluted. Don't you notice that no one agrees with you about that? Don't you think that means the problem is you and your view instead of everyone else not seeing what you see?

Some people do agree with my postings. But, I don't mind being castigated by people whose beliefs I contradict, as they just dig themselves deeper into lala land and crazy fables. At least they have read the truths I have presented.

Why would the world need to be tested twice? You have history basically repeating itself in the future for no apparent reason. That makes no sense.

You often use the phrase;- That makes no sense.
This is rather telling and shows your lack of understanding of what God has planned. The previous times of testing are a warning to us, now in the end times. 1 Corinthians 10:11

Anyway, the test of loyalty at the end of the thousand years, Rev 20:7-10, is for those people alive then. Our testing, is to come very soon, 1 Peter 4:12

Many scripture show Jesus as reigning since His resurrection. He said Himself that His kingdom does not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36). Your understanding of His reign contradicts what He said about His kingdom.

I get my understanding of Jesus as King over the world from Prophesies like Isaiah 2:1-4, Zechariah 14:11-16, +

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

1 Cor 15:50-56 and Rev 21:1-7 are Prophesies about the same thing, to happen at the same time, that is: AFTER the Millennium.

Are you telling me this as if you think I disagree with this? You have done that several times before and I have to remind you every time that I agree with this. The only difference is that I have believers being changed to put on immortality maybe a second before you do. I see the judgment as occurring in the realm of eternity, so I would see eternity as being ushered in quickly after the last trumpet sounds.

What convoluted and unscriptural ideas.

You would know a lot about that. With your ridiculous 7000 year God's plan theory, your ludicrous CME theory and other convoluted and unscriptural nonsense that you believe in.

Rev 21:4 is plain - Death will be no more when the new heavens and earth come.

No kidding. Again, do you think I disagree with this? Of course I agree. Are you even trying to understand what I believe? But, what I'm saying is that it will already be true that death will be no more immediately after Revelation 20:9 occurs. Would you agree? So, we're just looking at it a little differently, but we both agree that 1 Cor 15:50-56 will occur after the thousand years. All Amils believe that but you are the only Premil I've ever seen who believes that.

Some people do agree with my postings.

With which ones? Not all of them, that's for sure. You have some views all to yourself. You know that. Surely, I and many others agree with your post-trib rapture (not rapture to heaven) view, for example. I never said that no one agrees with you about anything.

But, I don't mind being castigated by people whose beliefs I contradict, as they just dig themselves deeper into lala land and crazy fables.

Of course, we see you as being in la la land and believing in some crazy fables. So, it goes both ways.

At least they have read the truths I have presented.

As well as the falsehoods.

You often use the phrase;- That makes no sense.

For good reason. Some of what you say truly does not make sense. I can't think of a better way to put it. Such as your ridiculous 7,000 year God's plan theory. It's not taught anywhere in scripture, so that does not make sense. You have to twist and contort scripture in order to make it say that.

This is rather telling and shows your lack of understanding of what God has planned.

How does you saying something that doesn't make sense have anything to do with what God has planned? The Bible makes sense to me. You sometimes don't. Don't get yourself confused as if you are one of the authors of the Bible.

The previous times of testing are a warning to us, now in the end times. 1 Corinthians 10:11

You focus only on physical disasters and such. That shows that you have the wrong perspective on things. The times of testing are SPIRITUAL testing relating to deception. You never have anything to say about that. Being deceived puts one's soul in danger. But, you only have concern for physical danger and don't even think about spiritual things.

Anyway, the test of loyalty at the end of the thousand years, Rev 20:7-10, is for those people alive then. Our testing, is to come very soon, 1 Peter 4:12

Very soon? Are you ignoring the past 2,000 years? Every Christian is tested in their lives. Paul said that all who desire to live godly lives will be persecuted (2 Tim 3:12). We must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God (Acts 14:22). It's an insult to the many Christians who have gone through may trials and tribulations in their lives for the past 2,000 years to only talk about "our testing" as a future thing.

I get my understanding of Jesus as King over the world from Prophesies like Isaiah 2:1-4, Zechariah 14:11-16, +

Isaiah 2:1-4 is about the last days and scripture teaches that the last days covers the time period from his first coming (Acts 2:16-21) to His second coming (2 Peter 3:3-4). You miss details like this and that's why you misinterpret so many OT prophecies.