Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

[Davy]

One of the main stumbling blocks by many in trying to understand the events of Revelation 20 about Christ's future 1,000 years reign on earth with His elect, is OMITTING what Apostle Paul taught about the change to the "spiritual body" in 1 Corinthians 15 on the day of Christ's future coming.

Also along with that, they OMIT what Lord Jesus revealed on the day of His future coming, that ALL in the graves shall hear His voice AND COME FORTH...

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV


On that day of Christ's coming, Apostle Paul showed this will happen...

1 Cor 15:49-52
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
KJV

The dead being raised on that day, that "last trump", the 7th one, when Jesus comes, includes those same ones Jesus said will go into the "resurrection of damnation" back in John 5:28-29.


OK, so now consider just who all will be in resurrection type bodies after the day of Christ's future coming.

1. the saints that are 'asleep' which Jesus brings with Him when the dead are raised (1 Thess.4:13-16).

2. the saints still alive on earth on the day of Jesus' coming, and immediately 'changed' to the "image of the heavenly", the "spiritual body" Paul taught, which is the body type of the resurrection (1 Thess.4:17; 1 Cor.15:49-52.)

3. the wicked dead that are raised unto the "resurrection of damnation", which means they also will have a "spiritual body" because that is the body type of the resurrection per Paul, but these unsaved will still have souls that are liable to perish later (per Paul in the Greek of 1 Cor.15:54).

So since God's Word reveals that the unsaved raised dead will have the future resurrection body, although still in a damned state, then why wouldn't all the unsaved nations in that time also have the resurrection body, and be changed on that "last trump" too? Paul did say "all" shall be changed in that 1 Corinthians 15:51 verse.

Is this from Bible Scripture too hard to think about brethren? Do you not like to consider these Scripture points because it might go against the 'fleshy' doctrines of men you have been taught about the events after Christ's future return? Do you hate to consider it because you might have put your trust in a resurrection to a new flesh body, which is not... written? Like Paul said in 1 Cor.15:50, flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, neither does corruption inherit incorruption.

What do all these Scripture points reveal?

They reveal that EVERYONE, all souls, will manifest in the resurrection type body after Christ's future coming. That includes the wicked and unsaved, not just those of us in Christ Jesus. The events that will occur on the future "day of the Lord", the last day of this present world when Jesus returns, will end... this present time in flesh bodies.

The "spiritual body" Paul taught is the type body of Christ's future 1,000 years reign with His elect.

So when reading and studying about that future 1,000 years Millennial reign by Lord Jesus and His elect, this revelation must be kept in mind about all peoples and nations manifesting in the body type of the resurrection. There won't be half n' half peoples walking around, some in spirit bodies and others still in their flesh body. ALL... will be in the spiritual body type. Forget men's doctrine that wrongly teaches that Paul meant only those in Christ Jesus will be changed to the spiritual body, which is the body type of the resurrection. The fact that the unsaved dead will ALSO be in resurrection bodies on the day of Christ's return, per John 5:28-29, is hard evidence of this.

Thus the "dead" of Rev.20:5 is actually about the unsaved dead raised of the "resurrection of damnation" along with the unsaved nations. And that means they are NOT raised after the 1,000 years, but on the day of Christ's coming like He said in John 5:28-29.

 

[Truth7t7]

One of the main stumbling blocks by many in trying to understand the events of Revelation 20 about Christ's future 1,000 years reign on earth with His elect, is OMITTING what Apostle Paul taught about the change to the "spiritual body" in 1 Corinthians 15 on the day of Christ's future coming.

Also along with that, they OMIT what Lord Jesus revealed on the day of His future coming, that ALL in the graves shall hear His voice AND COME FORTH...

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV


On that day of Christ's coming, Apostle Paul showed this will happen...

1 Cor 15:49-52
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
KJV

The dead being raised on that day, that "last trump", the 7th one, when Jesus comes, includes those same ones Jesus said will go into the "resurrection of damnation" back in John 5:28-29.


OK, so now consider just who all will be in resurrection type bodies after the day of Christ's future coming.

1. the saints that are 'asleep' which Jesus brings with Him when the dead are raised (1 Thess.4:13-16).

2. the saints still alive on earth on the day of Jesus' coming, and immediately 'changed' to the "image of the heavenly", the "spiritual body" Paul taught, which is the body type of the resurrection (1 Thess.4:17; 1 Cor.15:49-52.)

3. the wicked dead that are raised unto the "resurrection of damnation", which means they also will have a "spiritual body" because that is the body type of the resurrection per Paul, but these unsaved will still have souls that are liable to perish later (per Paul in the Greek of 1 Cor.15:54).

So since God's Word reveals that the unsaved raised dead will have the future resurrection body, although still in a damned state, then why wouldn't all the unsaved nations in that time also have the resurrection body, and be changed on that "last trump" too? Paul did say "all" shall be changed in that 1 Corinthians 15:51 verse.

Is this from Bible Scripture too hard to think about brethren? Do you not like to consider these Scripture points because it go against the 'fleshy' doctrines of men you have been taught about the events after Christ's future return? Do you hate to consider it because you have put your trust in a resurrection to a new flesh body, which is not... written? Like Paul said in 1 Cor.15:50, flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, neither does corruption inherit incorruption.

What does all these Scripture points reveal?

They reveal that EVERYONE, all souls, will manifest in the resurrection type body after Christ's future coming. That includes the wicked and unsaved, not just those of us in Christ Jesus. The events that will occur on the future "day of the Lord", the last day of this present world when Jesus returns, will end... this present time in flesh bodies.

The "spiritual body" Paul taught is the type body of Christ's future 1,000 years reign with His elect.

So when reading and studying about that future 1,000 years Millennial reign by Lord Jesus and His elect, this revelation must be kept in mind about all peoples and nations manifesting in the body type of the resurrection. There won't be half n' half peoples walking around, some in spirit bodies and others still in their flesh body. ALL... will be in the spiritual body type. Forget men's doctrine that wrongly teaches that Paul meant only those in Christ Jesus will be changed to the spiritual body, which is the body type of the resurrection. The fact that the unsaved dead will ALSO be in resurrection bodies on the day of Christ's return, per John 5, is hard evidence of this.

Thus the "dead" of Rev.20:5 is actually about the unsaved dead raised of the "resurrection of damnation" along with the unsaved nations. And that means they are NOT raised after the 1,000 years, but on the day of Christ's coming like He said in John 5:28-29.

You just don't want to let go of your little pet 1,000 year kingdom on this earth that doesn't exist in scripture

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as you "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[Davy]

You just don't want to let go of your little pet 1,000 year kingdom on this earth that doesn't exist in scripture

I just covered the ACTUAL Bible Scripture evidence of what kind of future existence Christ's future 1,000 years reign will be, AS WRITTEN. But if you don't care what God's Word actually teaches about that, then you can stay deceived with the rest of folks that follow men's doctrines instead of God in His Word. I'm not here to win popularity contests and just try and 'appear' all holy.

 

[Davy]

Revelation 20 mentions a group of unsaved called "the dead". Men's traditions teach those are the wicked dead still in graves, and are resurrected only after... the 1,000 years to stand in final Judgment. But that is just a pop tradition from men, and not what the Bible Scriptures actually reveal. So once again, if you really want the Truth per God's written Word, you have to stay... in His Word and not stray to men's pop doctrines.

Rev 20:4-7
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Those above events include clear end time markers when the coming false-Messiah shows up and demands that all bow in false worship to him, and the deceived take the "mark of the beast". That is to happen during the coming "great tribulation" which is still future to us today.

That reference to the "mark" easily sets the timing of these Revelation 20 Scriptures so far. It shows that last phrase above in 'red' only happens after Jesus's future return. Thus Christ's 1,000 years reign is started at this point here and is meant literally.


5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Don't get confused, those of the "first resurrection" are those mentioned in the previous 4th verse, those who refused the mark and were beheaded for the Witness of Jesus Christ, and for The Word of God, etc.

Immediately, you should recognize that above mention of a FIRST resurrection. That idea of a 'first' automatically infers that there will be at least one more resurrection (like the first) after that. But of what TYPE? Men's pop tradition is that the inferred 2nd resurrection will be one of the wicked dead to stand in the final day of God's Great White Throne Judgment after the 1,000 years.

But that idea doesn't really fit, because note what Lord Jesus said will happen on the day of His future coming...

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV

In the above Lord Jesus showed that BOTH... the 'asleep' saints AND the wicked dead are resurrected on that day of His coming! Not only that, but He also showed there are TWO TYPES OF RESURRECTION.

What does that mean for "the dead" that lived not again per the Revelation 20:5 verse?

Well, we cannot... claim it means those "dead" are resurrected after the 1,000 years like is popularly taught. Like Lord Jesus said in John 5:28-29, ALL... in the graves shall come forth on that day of His future coming at the sound of His voice.

That means "the dead" of the "resurrection of damnation" come forth on that same day too! It means they go through Christ's 1,000 years reign aware, in their resurrected bodies, yet their souls are still subject to the "second death" of being cast into the future "lake of fire"! This reveals NO ONE is still in the grave after Jesus returns.


Rev. 20:6
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
KJV

 

[Truth7t7]

I just covered the ACTUAL Bible Scripture evidence of what kind of future existence Christ's future 1,000 years reign will be, AS WRITTEN. But if you don't care what God's Word actually teaches about that, then you can stay deceived with the rest of folks that follow men's doctrines instead of God in His Word. I'm not here to win popularity contests and just try and 'appear' all holy.

A Millennial kingdom on this earth doesn't exist in scripture, it's a man made fairy tale

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

When Jesus Is Revealed It's "Fire Time"

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The Earth Will Be Dissolved By The Lord's Fire

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

 

[Douggg]

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

Then how can Jesus stand on the mount of Olives, splitting it in half, in Zechariah 14:4 ?

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

 

[Douggg]

Well, we cannot... claim it means those "dead" are resurrected after the 1,000 years like is popularly taught.

Revelation 20:
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

That means "the dead" of the "resurrection of damnation" come forth on that same day too! It means they go through Christ's 1,000 years reign aware, in their resurrected bodies, yet their souls are still subject to the "second death" of being cast into the future "lake of fire"!This reveals NO ONE is still in the grave after Jesus returns.

No, that is wrong. The unsaved will not be resurrected until after the 1000 years, and after the final rebellion.

There is no reason to resurrect the unsaved at the same time as the martyred great tribulation saints of Revelation 20:4-6.

And it is not even reasonable considering that an estimated 117 billion humans have lived on earth. And that the earth's current population is 8 billion.

 

[Truth7t7]

One of the main stumbling blocks by many in trying to understand the events of Revelation 20 about Christ's future 1,000 years reign on earth with His elect, is OMITTING what Apostle Paul taught about the change to the "spiritual body" in 1 Corinthians 15 on the day of Christ's future coming.

Also along with that, they OMIT what Lord Jesus revealed on the day of His future coming, that ALL in the graves shall hear His voice AND COME FORTH...

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV


On that day of Christ's coming, Apostle Paul showed this will happen...

1 Cor 15:49-52
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
KJV

The dead being raised on that day, that "last trump", the 7th one, when Jesus comes, includes those same ones Jesus said will go into the "resurrection of damnation" back in John 5:28-29.


OK, so now consider just who all will be in resurrection type bodies after the day of Christ's future coming.

1. the saints that are 'asleep' which Jesus brings with Him when the dead are raised (1 Thess.4:13-16).

2. the saints still alive on earth on the day of Jesus' coming, and immediately 'changed' to the "image of the heavenly", the "spiritual body" Paul taught, which is the body type of the resurrection (1 Thess.4:17; 1 Cor.15:49-52.)

3. the wicked dead that are raised unto the "resurrection of damnation", which means they also will have a "spiritual body" because that is the body type of the resurrection per Paul, but these unsaved will still have souls that are liable to perish later (per Paul in the Greek of 1 Cor.15:54).

So since God's Word reveals that the unsaved raised dead will have the future resurrection body, although still in a damned state, then why wouldn't all the unsaved nations in that time also have the resurrection body, and be changed on that "last trump" too? Paul did say "all" shall be changed in that 1 Corinthians 15:51 verse.

Is this from Bible Scripture too hard to think about brethren? Do you not like to consider these Scripture points because it go against the 'fleshy' doctrines of men you have been taught about the events after Christ's future return? Do you hate to consider it because you have put your trust in a resurrection to a new flesh body, which is not... written? Like Paul said in 1 Cor.15:50, flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, neither does corruption inherit incorruption.

What does all these Scripture points reveal?

They reveal that EVERYONE, all souls, will manifest in the resurrection type body after Christ's future coming. That includes the wicked and unsaved, not just those of us in Christ Jesus. The events that will occur on the future "day of the Lord", the last day of this present world when Jesus returns, will end... this present time in flesh bodies.

The "spiritual body" Paul taught is the type body of Christ's future 1,000 years reign with His elect.

So when reading and studying about that future 1,000 years Millennial reign by Lord Jesus and His elect, this revelation must be kept in mind about all peoples and nations manifesting in the body type of the resurrection. There won't be half n' half peoples walking around, some in spirit bodies and others still in their flesh body. ALL... will be in the spiritual body type. Forget men's doctrine that wrongly teaches that Paul meant only those in Christ Jesus will be changed to the spiritual body, which is the body type of the resurrection. The fact that the unsaved dead will ALSO be in resurrection bodies on the day of Christ's return, per John 5, is hard evidence of this.

Thus the "dead" of Rev.20:5 is actually about the unsaved dead raised of the "resurrection of damnation" along with the unsaved nations. And that means they are NOT raised after the 1,000 years, but on the day of Christ's coming like He said in John 5:28-29.

Hey Davy your catching on, I agree with your writing above

Now you have to solve the fact that Jesus returns in "Fire" destroying all the wicked in those resurrected bodies as Luke 17:29-30 teaches below, yes they also have eternal resurrected bodies to damnation in the lake of fire, yes the world (Ends) at the Lord's second coming (Then Cometh The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Destroyed Them All) When Jesus Is Revealed

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

(Then Cometh The End) Not A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth As Many Falsely Teach

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The Bodily Resurrection Of The Wicked Dead Below

(The Sea Gave Up The Dead) = Living Wicked People At The Second Coming

(Death And Hell Delivered Up The Dead) = The Wicked Dead In The Grave At The Second Coming

Revelation 20:13-15KJV
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Galgal]

They reveal that EVERYONE, all souls, will manifest in the resurrection type body after Christ's future coming. That includes the wicked and unsaved, not just those of us in Christ Jesus.

Nothing of the sort. Not even all the members of the Church will change. Only the members of the Philadelphia Church of the Revelation will change, whose status will change after entering the eastern gate of the Third Temple. It is something like war veterans: veteran status is only granted to those who took part in military actions. All veterans have one common "body" of a hero-veteran, a special status in relation to all other fellow citizens.

The same will happen at the Second Coming. Only those who entered the eastern gate will receive the status of God. This is not a multitude of "bodies", but one Body, a spiritual one. The Body of Christ. This will be the "Groom", to whom soon after this the "five wise virgins" will make aliyah - not all, but some members of the Church in many countries of the world. Those who will be invited because they "shine" by fulfilling the commandments of God.

When the Jews join the spiritual Body that appeared in the Third Temple, and then the five wise virgins who made aliyah join the Body, they all together will form the body of Israel, which will become the incarnation of Jesus Christ at the Second Coming. Israel will be the Messiah.

 

[Douggg]

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Water, not fire.

You are missing the whole point that Jesus was talking about in Luke 17:16-37. Jesus is talking about the sudden un-anticipated beginning of the great tribulation and what will take place during that time in Luke 17:34-37.

 

[Truth7t7]

You are missing the whole point that Jesus was talking about in Luke 17:16-37. Jesus is talking about the sudden un-anticipated beginning of the great tribulation and what will take place during that time in Luke 17:34-37.

Your claim is 100% "False" Jesus Spoke Directly In Luke 17:29-30 That He Will Return In "Literal Fire"!

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Davy]

Many either forget, or are willingly ignorant of the two separate dimensions of existence written of in God's Word.

They instead dwell on their 'fleshy' existence, like a cave man existence. God set bounds during this present world so man in the flesh would not easily realize his spirit and soul origin and existence. This is why men's fleshy fields of psychology and philosophy have tried so hard to define the existence of ones soul, its origin, etc.

Yet God's Word reveals these things, but only to those who stay in His Word and listen to Him, instead of men's doctrines.

Empirical materialists are the most backward in these things today, even though they think they are the most advanced scientists in existence. Their problem is they do not grasp that matter did not create itself nor can it be destroyed, because even by their observation they know matter only changes its state (solid, liquid, vapor, gas). Some type of existence outside... of material matter had to have created matter. That immediately points to another dimension of existence that is non-material...

Heb 11:3
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
KJV

Apostle John in John 4:24 said that "God is a Spirit". That means God's makeup is Spirit, and there is another dimension of existence that is made up of Spirit. It means the two, matter and Spirit are separate operations. Hebrews 4:12 says we in the flesh are made up of a soul, a spirit, and bones and marrow, meaning flesh. Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 shows when our flesh body dies, it goes back to the earthly matter where it came from, and our spirit goes back to God Who gave it. In Matthew 10:28, Jesus said to not fear those who can kill our flesh, but not our soul, and that means our soul continues on with our spirit after our flesh body dies.

Our spirit and soul thus are linked together in the same realm. Since they are not made of flesh, what realm would they be of? Well, Eccl.12 told you, when it says our spirit goes back to God Who gave it. God is a Spirit, and He lives in the realm of Spirit, what His Word also calls Heaven.

That is where our 'spirit' and 'soul' is from, that realm of Spirit. Many of the Jews wrongly interpret Genesis 2:7 about the creation of soul in Adam, treating it like it is a flesh soul which is impossible. Like Jesus said in John 3:6, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

One's spirit and soul are semi-immortal. I say that because even the wicked dead will have resurrection bodies ("spiritual body" Paul taught in 1 Cor.15; see John 5:28-29), yet they will still be subject to the "second death" which is the casting into the future "lake of fire". I say semi-immortal because man cannot kill or destroy one's spirit with soul, ONLY GOD can.


God said the earth is forever. So you know those wrongly claiming God is going to literally destroy this whole earth haven't read all their Bible...

Ps 104:1-5
104 Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty.
2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:
3 Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:
4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
KJV


Eccl 1:4
4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.
KJV

What God's Word points to for the future new heavens and a new earth (refurbished earth), is a future 'spirit' existence upon a literal material earth. God did say He created this earth to be inhabited, i.e., lived upon. We simply won't have flesh bodies anymore in that future existence on earth. Can you imagine how less waste that means man will cause upon this earth? Our fleshy needs is what causes much of today's pollution upon this earth. Our future existence on earth will be natural, not per the flesh, but the way God originally intended before Lucifer rebelled and caused this present imperfect world.

 

[PinSeeker]

Just one question for... well, anyone here, assuming he or she is a Christian... Who is your King? Right now? Who is your King? Since you have been born again of the Spirit and raised with Christ and seated in the heavenly realms with Him (Ephesians 2), Who is your King?

Well, and a second; sorry... Since many saints have gone before... many Christians have died and are with the Lord right now, what are they ~ right now ~ doing (with Him as their head, of course)?

<smile>

Grace and peace to all of you.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Paul taught about the change to the "spiritual body" in 1 Corinthians 15 on the day of Christ's future coming.

I don't know 'bout all of ya'll... but I'll be in a glorified physical body while reigning with Christ here on club earth for 1000 years

We are joint heirs with Christ... so He got a glorified physical body and so do we!

You just don't want to let go of your little pet 1,000 year kingdom on this earth

Too bad some folk be way, way behind the 8 ball on this

When Jesus returns and sets up His Kingdom as ruler over all this world... some folk gonna be shocked!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

One of the main stumbling blocks by many in trying to understand the events of Revelation 20 about Christ's future 1,000 years reign on earth with His elect, is OMITTING what Apostle Paul taught about the change to the "spiritual body" in 1 Corinthians 15 on the day of Christ's future coming.

Also along with that, they OMIT what Lord Jesus revealed on the day of His future coming, that ALL in the graves shall hear His voice AND COME FORTH...

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV


On that day of Christ's coming, Apostle Paul showed this will happen...

1 Cor 15:49-52
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
KJV

The dead being raised on that day, that "last trump", the 7th one, when Jesus comes, includes those same ones Jesus said will go into the "resurrection of damnation" back in John 5:28-29.


OK, so now consider just who all will be in resurrection type bodies after the day of Christ's future coming.

1. the saints that are 'asleep' which Jesus brings with Him when the dead are raised (1 Thess.4:13-16).

2. the saints still alive on earth on the day of Jesus' coming, and immediately 'changed' to the "image of the heavenly", the "spiritual body" Paul taught, which is the body type of the resurrection (1 Thess.4:17; 1 Cor.15:49-52.)

3. the wicked dead that are raised unto the "resurrection of damnation", which means they also will have a "spiritual body" because that is the body type of the resurrection per Paul, but these unsaved will still have souls that are liable to perish later (per Paul in the Greek of 1 Cor.15:54).

So since God's Word reveals that the unsaved raised dead will have the future resurrection body, although still in a damned state, then why wouldn't all the unsaved nations in that time also have the resurrection body, and be changed on that "last trump" too? Paul did say "all" shall be changed in that 1 Corinthians 15:51 verse.

Is this from Bible Scripture too hard to think about brethren? Do you not like to consider these Scripture points because it go against the 'fleshy' doctrines of men you have been taught about the events after Christ's future return? Do you hate to consider it because you have put your trust in a resurrection to a new flesh body, which is not... written? Like Paul said in 1 Cor.15:50, flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, neither does corruption inherit incorruption.

What does all these Scripture points reveal?

They reveal that EVERYONE, all souls, will manifest in the resurrection type body after Christ's future coming. That includes the wicked and unsaved, not just those of us in Christ Jesus. The events that will occur on the future "day of the Lord", the last day of this present world when Jesus returns, will end... this present time in flesh bodies.

The "spiritual body" Paul taught is the type body of Christ's future 1,000 years reign with His elect.

So when reading and studying about that future 1,000 years Millennial reign by Lord Jesus and His elect, this revelation must be kept in mind about all peoples and nations manifesting in the body type of the resurrection. There won't be half n' half peoples walking around, some in spirit bodies and others still in their flesh body. ALL... will be in the spiritual body type. Forget men's doctrine that wrongly teaches that Paul meant only those in Christ Jesus will be changed to the spiritual body, which is the body type of the resurrection. The fact that the unsaved dead will ALSO be in resurrection bodies on the day of Christ's return, per John 5, is hard evidence of this.

Thus the "dead" of Rev.20:5 is actually about the unsaved dead raised of the "resurrection of damnation" along with the unsaved nations. And that means they are NOT raised after the 1,000 years, but on the day of Christ's coming like He said in John 5:28-29.

It doesn't make any sense to say that the saved and lost will be resurrected on the same day while also trying to claim that the thousand years will occur in the future. Who are the ones who are destroyed by fire in Revelation 20:9 in that case? People who had been resurrected? That's nonsense. The resurrection body will be immortal and cannot be destroyed. According to scripture, people will be judged right after being resurrected (Daniel 12:2, John 5:28-29), not allowed to roam around on the earth for a thousand years (plus Satan's little season).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I don't know 'bout all of ya'll... but I'll be in a glorified physical body while reigning with Christ here on club earth for 1000 years

We are joint heirs with Christ... so He got a glorified physical body and so do we!

Yes, but Paul does call that body "a spiritual body" in contrast to the "natural body" we have now (see 1 Corinthians 15:42-44). It isn't that a spiritual body can't be physical, though. Paul contrasted the spiritual body with the natural body, not the spiritual body with the physical body. The main difference between a spiritual body and a natural body is that a spiritual body is immortal and a natural body is mortal. People make the mistake of thinking that the spiritual body is non-physical and the natural body is physical, but Paul never makes that distinction when comparing the two.

While Jesus's body was physical, as evidenced by the fact that He could be touched and that He could eat things, it also was not like our mortal physical bodies. He was able to appear seemingly out of nowhere in a locked house when He appeared to the disciples, so His resurrection body obviously did not have the same limitations that our natural bodies have.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Then how can Jesus stand on the mount of Olives, splitting it in half, in Zechariah 14:4 ?

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

He can't do that literally, but that is not meant to be taken literally. You need to accept what the NT teaches instead of trying to change it to fit your flawed understanding of the OT. The NT clearly teaches that the entire earth will be burned up when Jesus returns (2 Peter 3:10-12).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I just covered the ACTUAL Bible Scripture evidence of what kind of future existence Christ's future 1,000 years reign will be, AS WRITTEN. But if you don't care what God's Word actually teaches about that, then you can stay deceived with the rest of folks that follow men's doctrines instead of God in His Word. I'm not here to win popularity contests and just try and 'appear' all holy.

Nowhere does scripture teach that a bunch of resurrected people will be roaming around on the earth for a thousand years. When the unsaved dead are resurrected, they will be resurrected to "shame and everlasting contempt" (Daniel 12:2) and to "damnation" (John 5:28-29) in the lake of fire for eternity (Rev 20:11-15). The idea that they will be resurrected and then allowed to walk the earth for a thousand years is ludicrous.

 

[PinSeeker]

I don't know 'bout all of ya'll... but I'll be in a glorified physical body while reigning with Christ here on club earth for 1000 years

We are joint heirs with Christ... so He got a glorified physical body and so do we!

After the thousand years... and after His return... but otherwise, totally agree. <smile> John's "thousand years" in Revelation 20 is synonymous with "in these last days, from the writer of Hebrews in Hebrews 1;2.

When Jesus returns and sets up His Kingdom as ruler over all this world... some folk gonna be shocked!

I think we'll all be shocked, in a way, but, well, some of us in a good way, right Danny? <smile> But really, in Jesus's portrayal of the final Judgment in Matthew 25, both groups ~ those on His right as well as those on His left ~ are... surprised, those on His right that they really did serve Him, and those on His left who thought they did. Yeah?

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Davy]

I don't know 'bout all of ya'll... but I'll be in a glorified physical body while reigning with Christ here on club earth for 1000 years

We are joint heirs with Christ... so He got a glorified physical body and so do we!

In 1 Corinthians 15:44-45, Paul showed that Christ's raised body was "made a quickening spirit". Same idea appears in 1 Peter 3:18-19, because flesh could not go to the "spirits in prison", which points to the heavenly dimension.

So the word 'physical' can be misleading on this matter, because the "spiritual body" does have a physical appearance just like a flesh body, including feel and touch, but it isn't a flesh body, because like Paul also said in 1 Cor.15:50, flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, neither does corruption (flesh) inherit incorruption (spirit body). And in John 3, Jesus said that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of The Spirit is spirit. Thus flesh and spirit are two separate operations and manifestations.