Preacher4Truth
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Exactly! This nonsense that speaking against him is speaking against God is symptomatic of delusion. Especially since the majority of his doctrine is patently false.
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Preacher4Truth
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That's ironic coming from you bro since you pretty much condemn all others as unbelievers.
SovereignGrace
Certified Flunky
There are no new revelations. That’s irks these who hear voices and get caught up like Paul and John did. It’s ludicrous thinking Brother.
Condemning is your modus operandi...not mine. Don't project your ways on me. I encourage people to go to God by faith. To seek His face.
The irony in all this is that if we all had such a great connection with God already...the admonishment to seek His face wouldn't sound so difficult...or in your case ...so hostile.
Come let us go to the mountain of the Lord....let us walk in the light of the Lord. This invitation is from the Lord and they who seek Him from a pure heart.
These are the kind of posts you make to personally attack that shows the kind of delusion.
You imply that those that oppose YOUR FALSE TEACHING are satan. THIS is exactly why you need to be strongly rebuked. It shows your self-delusion and warped unbiblical beliefs.
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Preacher4Truth
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Nope, you condemn others on here several times daily while exalting yourself.
You have nothing on me but false accusations, akin to diablos. Nothing I've stated in this context shows hostility toward seeking God's face.
Learn to tell the truth, not drummed up lies borne of hate as in your above. Thanks.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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I have not given you my word, that you should reject it. But I have given you God's word in full, and you reject it just because it is me bringing it to light.
Anthony D'Arienzo
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Since you have blatantly CONTRADICTED God's written Word in your OP, you have definitely not given *God's word*. Sounds more like the lies of the devil.
Not so. Jesus did quote bits of scripture, and so have I. But you have left out and denied much of it.
For instance, you say here that "The Bible is always telling us to not go beyond what is written." But the scriptures say to "press on", and even "leave behind the elementary principles of Christ", and Jesus outlines just how it is to occur, saying He goes to the Father, that He will send another Helper...which is not a scribe of words on tablets, but the Holy Spirit coming in spirit; that He has many more things to say that the apostles could not bear at that time; and over shadowing all this is the prophecy of God--not of writing more tablets, but pouring out His spirit upon all flesh, which was confirmed by Christ and by Peter.
No wonder you believe as you do...it's grossly incomplete--you do not even know all of what is written!
It is as I said:
You have left out and denied most of the written word that speaks of the ministry of Christ by the Holy Spirit, that was to occur during these times according to God.
When the spirit offered the means of pressing on and fulfilling all that is written...you got off the bus.
This statement you cannot defend. But the scriptures are what support what I have written, because they are One and the same.
7 False Teachers in the Church Today - Tim Challies
"The Prophet"
Rev 22 :18-19 “I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book”
"The Prophet"
Rev 22 :18-19 “I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book”
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BARNEY BRIGHT
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you and I will disagree with what you said here. I honestly don't believe what you said is true.
That there is a due time to gain understanding of certain features of God’s purposes is clear from Jesus’ words to his apostles: “I have many things yet to say to you, but you are not able to bear them at present.” (John 16:12) This indicates that God gives his servants understanding of his will in accordance with their ability to grasp and make use of such understanding. True, Jesus told his apostles that God’s spirit would guide them “into all truth.” (John 16:13) But did Jesus mean that from the day they received holy spirit they would discern all truth, without their needing to get further understanding later? The facts show that this was not the case.
On the day of Pentecost in 33 C.E. the disciples did receive holy spirit and with it a much clearer appreciation of the truth pertaining to Jesus’ resurrection, his ascension to heaven and the significance of the kingdom of God. This knowledge infused them with zeal to tell the “good news” to others. Even though Jesus had said they should make disciples of people of all nations, at first they limited their preaching to the Jews, non-Jewish proselytes and then, in time, to the Samaritans. They did not understand that they should go to the uncircumcised Gentiles. (Matt. 28:19, 20) No doubt Jehovah withheld such enlightenment, for the prophecy of Daniel had stated that the Messiah would keep the covenant with the Jews in force for the rest of the 70th week.—Dan. 9:24-27.
When that “week” ended in 36 C.E., Jehovah God acted positively in opening up the “good news” to the people of the nations. Peter truly needed help to adjust his thinking before entering the home of an uncircumcised Gentile considered unclean by the Law. He had to be instructed while in a trance: “You stop calling defiled the things God has cleansed.” So Peter and the other apostles had to change their viewpoint on this matter. Peter did so and was used by God to declare to the Gentiles that the way to God’s heavenly kingdom was open.—Acts 10:9-43.
If you will read the 6th chapter of Hebrews from verses 1 to 12, you will see that Paul is trying to get these early Christians to grow, to become mature and to be like himself in the service. He points out that “God is not unrighteous so as to forget your work and the love you showed for his name, in that you have ministered to the holy ones and continue ministering”.—Heb. 6:10, NW.
As to those who are kind to Jehovah’s witnesses, giving them a cup of cold water, the Lord Jesus says: ‘These will be blessed.’ They are as sheep being put on the right side of the Master. At least they do not show the goatlike spirit. But do not stop with just giving a cup of cold water. Grow up to maturity. Do not stop when you have learned the fundamental doctrines that lead to life. Go on and gain life. Seek it and you will find it. That is why Paul says, in the 11th and 12th verses Heb 6:11, 12: “But we desire each one of you to show the same industriousness so as to have the full assurance of the hope down to the end, in order that you may not become sluggish, but be imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.”
These scriptures in Hebrews 6:1,2 or John 16:13 no way are saying this: "We often hear that the test of any comment or doctrine is scripture, and certainly it is a good test. It's just not the last word, nor is it the best test. Nor should it be considered our last line of defense. To do so, is to admit that we do not understand where we are in God's master plan of revelation, and that we do not have the Holy Spirit leading us unto all truth".
Are we to grow to maturity yes, but as Christians all of us are preachers of God kingdom and the worldly people out there are ignorant of the scriptures and in order for them to get on the road to spiritual maturity you will need the scriptures to teach them the truth.
Mat 13:52, Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.
2Jo 1:8, Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jo 1:9, Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jo 1:10, If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jo 1:11, For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
How much better is it to be kind to and/or give a cup of cold water to the true messengers of the Holy Ghost who bring to you the message that God died for you and rose again.
@BARNEY BRIGHT,
You should at least consider that God raised Jesus from the dead according to Romans 10:9; and that He who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead was delivered because of our offences and was raised again for our justification according to Romans 4:24-25. Is this not speaking of Jesus our Lord Himself?
Whether or not you believe that God has authored the best book ever written and that the world is his greatest achievement, or that the natural comes first and is least compared with the spiritual which comes last and greatest, and the kingdom of heaven is his true glory...is only of consequence to you. It doesn't change the truth.
You deciding that the end of "all truth" came before the actual end and choosing of God Himself...well, again, doesn't change the truth: The End is the end.
And now you interpret Daniel's prophecy in error. Wherein you seem to have decided also that the Jews and apostles are the Last, rather than Christ himself.
There are two things that Paul ministered to the Hebrews, both of which have eluded you. The commandment was to feed both the immature and also the mature. As "imitators" the lambs would receive their milk. But you stopped there thinking that the mature were not to be weened, that when children have grown, they should not put away childish things. And that is were you remain, even after being taught of both needs, to meditate on the scriptures, but also to leave the outward school master in due time and join the Master within. What did you think...that you would get fat on milk, die, and wake up to your graduation...when it is written that those who remain are to enter the kingdom alive? How did you miss all these things in your studies?
Those two passages are not all that is written of the death, life, and quickening, for our times. But they should have been enough for you to side with the advancement of the spiritual kingdom of God, and the building of the new heaven and earth that came upon men unaware since the time of Christ, rather than siding with those who don't even know the scriptures well enough to know that those passages are just a few of the many telling of the business of God to fulfill his perfection by the Spirit. Because, not only do you not know this...but you are actively helping the enemy, who would have you drown in your milk.
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