John 1 The Word was God. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.
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Col 1 By Jesus all things were created!
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Amen Jesus, You are God!
Col 1 By Jesus all things were created!
Ok, I guess then you were alluding to the trinity then, with that question?Oh sorry I believe in the trinity.
Well, as you may realize, that question poses a problem to you, for sure, as a trinitarian.
Which is one of the many problems that the doctrine invariably raises (Death of the saviour, God's obedient and love for himself as the saviour, God raising himself from the dead, 3 Gods - but only 1 God, ....).
The Spirit that was hovering over the waters in the Beginning, is the Holy Spirit that is the Spirit of Jesus, the same as the Spirit of God, and because Jesus is Lord, Lord our God, Jesus is God, and because the Bible also mentions the Spirit is Lord, it's the Spirit of God, they are all connected somehow, isn't it wonderful.
Amen God, that in your unfathomable wisdom, you did not attempt confound your elect with implausible and convoluted doctrines, that you clearly have not defined in your Word. Amen God that you are not Jesus, or can be!
1 Corinthians 15:23-28
15:23. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming, 24. then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26. The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27. For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. 28. When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.
Of course the key word that proves the trinity is "Lord" and that word "Lord" is used with all 3, Father, Son and Holy Spirit throughout scripture.
Key word: 'somehow', ...as in, haven't a clue. Therefore, no, not wonderful, but pathetic, seriously!The Spirit that was hovering over the waters in the Beginning, is the Holy Spirit that is the Spirit of Jesus, the same as the Spirit of God, and because Jesus is Lord, Lord our God, Jesus is God, and because the Bible also mentions the Spirit is Lord, it's the Spirit of God, they are all connected somehow, isn't it wonderful.
Everyone in the Bible is called lord. But, show me one where the Holy Spirit is called Lord?
1 Peter 3:6
3:6. just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear.
Hehehe okay, here is a verse
2 Corinthians 3:17
"Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."
Wonderful
Thomas knew Jesus personally!
John 20:28
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
Not quite, ...God is spirit (not corporeal), so that's not a definitive statement. More closer to your line of thinking would be, 'the Spirit is Lord'. And, even still, God is spirit, so it would be interchangeable.Hehehe okay, here is a verse
2 Corinthians 3:17
"Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."
Wonderful
Anyway believe what you want, we are allowed to have different views. I believe the Lord Jesus is God though. :)
Preacher4Truth
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Men were called god in those days, meaning lord. For all the power and authority that has been bestowed to Christ, he may as well be a god to us, which he is. But he is not the transcendent and supreme God, that is only the Father.
Besides, 1 week earlier, Thomas didn't even believe that he was the messiah, then why would being raised from the dead imply deity to him? It didn't for Lazarus, or Jarius' daughter, or the widow from Nain, or for Eutychus (Paul), or Tabitha/Dorcas (Peter), or the Shunnamite boy (Elijah), or the Zarepth boy (Elisha)?
You consider my believing that only the Father is God, is gnosticism? And that calling Jesus God, the Father God, and the Holy Spirit God, is not?
Please define gnosticism for us (rhetorical).
A quick examination of the scriptures you cited is as follows:
1 Tim. 4:10, it is Paul talking about believers, not about unbelievers. Yes paul describes God as the Savior of all people. But then, why would Paul say in conjunction "especially of those who believe? That strongly suggest to the reader to check and study the sense of the phrase "Savior of all people". Now, not getting into that here, how do you reconcile or harmonize this with scriptures such as John 10:14-16, 26-28 for example?
2 Peter 3:9, Peter was talking about those belonging to the church in general. The "you" there refers to the brethren, not all of mankind. So, with that alone, where the passage clearly does not pertain to all mankind, it could not be taken as saying that salvation is offered to all mankind, if at all, it is offered.
Romans 11:32, Paul speaks there of God as may have mercy on all. Can we take that as though saying that God offers salvation to all mankind? I don't think that would be automatic. So, as in 1 Tim. 4:10, how do you reconcile or harmonize this with scriptures such as John 10:14-16, 26-28 for example? And reality check does not support this.
Romans 5:18 appears to be the nearest to say that salvation is offered to all mankind. But while the verse speaks of justification and life for all man, it does not say that such was offered to all man. Reality check does not support this either. Besides, as with the others, how do you reconcile or harmonize this with scriptures such as John 10:14-16, 26-28 for example?
And for your contention that salvation is offered to all mankind, questions such as the following also need be answered in the affirmative:
1. Was salvation offered to Adam and Eve?
2. Was salvation offered to all of Adam's posterity up to the generation of Noah?
3. Was salvation offered to all peoples of Noah's generation after the flood and of the generations thereafter up to before the time of Abram?
4. Was salvation offered to all peoples of the generation of Abraham and of the generations thereafter until the time of Moses?
5. Was salvation offered to all peoples of the generation of Moses and of all the generation thereafter until the time of Jesus Christ?
6. Was salvation offered to all peoples of the generation of Jesus Christ and of all the generations thereafter up to this present time?
7. Is salvation considered offered to people in places where the gospel had not been preached?
8. Is the preaching of the gospel, an offer of salvation?
Another question is, when God gave and sent His Son to the world, was that an offer of salvation to all mankind?
Is what is written in Gen. 3:15 an offer of salvation?
Finally, please be reminded that the salvation we are talking about here is salvation from sin and death, even the second death.
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