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Is Satan at war with us?
Or is he with us.
With the stain of original sin ? are we not on his side, but for the comming into Christ that we can see the truth in Jesus Christ is our salvation.
Satan is just a pathetic robber and a liar and a master of deception.
Satan had a go at Christ yes but he was just cast aside and had no hold on him so he had to leave.
Jesus has given us the tools to deal with this master of deception.
There is no war but just comprehending and understanding.
Is he a threat to all, you better belive it.
Or is he with us.
With the stain of original sin ? are we not on his side, but for the comming into Christ that we can see the truth in Jesus Christ is our salvation.
Satan is just a pathetic robber and a liar and a master of deception.
Satan had a go at Christ yes but he was just cast aside and had no hold on him so he had to leave.
Jesus has given us the tools to deal with this master of deception.
There is no war but just comprehending and understanding.
Is he a threat to all, you better belive it.
There is a war.....just because one understands does not mean that Satan is going to leave you alone.
Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)
[sup]12 [/sup]For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Amen on that one Buzz!
If the Bible takes the time to say you need armor - well in those days you didn't just wear armor for the fun of it!
If the Bible takes the time to say you need armor - well in those days you didn't just wear armor for the fun of it!
Prentis
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Amen! We need to be equipped.
The very reason the devil had no hold on Jesus is because Christ was prepared, he was 'perfected by obedience' as it says in Hebrews. In the same way, we need to be conformed to Christ so the devil would have no hold.
Our very nature is bent towards the devils way, because before Christ it is all we walked in. Thus unless our mind is renewed and we have put on the armor, we cannot stand in battle.
The very reason the devil had no hold on Jesus is because Christ was prepared, he was 'perfected by obedience' as it says in Hebrews. In the same way, we need to be conformed to Christ so the devil would have no hold.
Our very nature is bent towards the devils way, because before Christ it is all we walked in. Thus unless our mind is renewed and we have put on the armor, we cannot stand in battle.
God is also active in what is going on in the world as well. Satan can only do what is part of God's plan. God is involved in world events in all people's lives. So what is going on in the world is ultimately going to cause the masses to turn to God.
Prentis
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The masses? :huh:
More like the remnant! When the son of man comes, will he find faith?
Once again, the people of God stand alone, and so it must be! :)
Yes, people in the millions are going to turn to God during the Great Tribulation.
Revelation 7:9-10 (ASV)
[sup]9 [/sup]After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands;
[sup]10 [/sup]and they cry with a great voice, saying, Salvation unto our God who sitteth on the throne, and unto the Lamb.
Revelation 7:13-17 (ASV)
[sup]13 [/sup]And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, These that are arrayed in white robes, who are they, and whence came they?
[sup]14 [/sup]And I say unto him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they that come of the great tribulation, and they washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
[sup]15 [/sup]Therefore are they before the throne of God; and they serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall spread his tabernacle over them.
[sup]16 [/sup]They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun strike upon them, nor any heat:
[sup]17 [/sup]for the Lamb that is in the midst of the throne shall be their shepherd, and shall guide them unto fountains of waters of life: and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes.
Says who?
2 Corinthians 10:3-6 (ASV)
[sup]3 [/sup]For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh
[sup]4 [/sup](for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but mighty before God to the casting down of strongholds),
[sup]5 [/sup]casting down imaginations, and every high thing that is exalted against the knowledge of God, and bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ;
[sup]6 [/sup]and being in readiness to avenge all disobedience, when your obedience shall be made full.
the scriptures do tell us what Jesus has been doing since he was crowned in heaven... he told his apostles that the 'Good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the in inhabited earth, and then the end will come' Matthew 24:9
the only activity of God in the world is upon his own church actively preaching the message of the kingdom around the earth teaching people how to live... the rest of the world is in Satans power
1John 5:19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one. 20 But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ
by the 'rest' of the world, that means the political system and everything that it governs. And if you think about it, the only thing the political system does not govern is the congregation of God.
see Verse 4.... 'for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh'
it is not a physical battle but a spiritual battle being fought.
That is what i ment by struggle buzz as pegg has pointed out.
When somone talkes of war that is not a word i like to hear as it's belligerent.
When somone talkes of war that is not a word i like to hear as it's belligerent.
Well, you did say it was not a war. You know a war does not only mean to fight with guns, tanks and bombs. A war is a fight between two individuals or sides, where the winner will do what they please with the loser.
Satan and his angels, demons, imps, spirits, etc. are alive and active.
Satan himself though is threatned by the saints of God but is not worried about the individual saint because we do not rank that high in the Spirit. Satan is not omniscient, omnipotent, and or omnipresent he has demons and other things to fulfill his plans.
Satan messed with individual humans very rarely such as,
1. Adam and Eve- Their ranking was high as the father and mother of all the living
2. Job- Some scholars suggest that Job was a leader in the economic system of his time
3. Jesus Christ- Son of God, The Messiah, King of Kings, Eternal High Priest
4.Peter- Apostle and a leader of the Church
All other attacks from Satan come from his demons not necessarily directly from him. But Satan is a defeated foe and is fighting a losing war.
Satan himself though is threatned by the saints of God but is not worried about the individual saint because we do not rank that high in the Spirit. Satan is not omniscient, omnipotent, and or omnipresent he has demons and other things to fulfill his plans.
Satan messed with individual humans very rarely such as,
1. Adam and Eve- Their ranking was high as the father and mother of all the living
2. Job- Some scholars suggest that Job was a leader in the economic system of his time
3. Jesus Christ- Son of God, The Messiah, King of Kings, Eternal High Priest
4.Peter- Apostle and a leader of the Church
All other attacks from Satan come from his demons not necessarily directly from him. But Satan is a defeated foe and is fighting a losing war.
I don't see where in the Bible that is supported. As far as I see in scripture Satan goes after all the same. The scripture says, he is like a roaring lion seeking whomever to devour.
Have you ever seen two demon posessed people in the same room before Buzzfruit ?
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