"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

[theefaith]

Thats making it a religious term

you can’t translate Baptizo

and you don’t translate eternal as eternal

and you want me to follow you?

eternal life is the life of God that we share in by the grace of God, but we must endure and abide Matt 24:13 Jn 15:1-5

 

[Keiw]

he created then in his own image

intellect (reason) & will (volition)

faith is an intellectual ascent to a truth revealed by Christ (Jude 1:3) and taught by his church (Matt 28:19) without any possible error (Jn 16:13)

sin is of the will

so why do fundamentalists say the only possible sin is unbelief

The ability to love and reason= Gods image. Truth has no error. Most bibles are filled with translating errors.

 

[theefaith]

The ability to love and reason= Gods image. Truth has no error. Most bibles are filled with translating errors.

what about deleting books and chapters such as the great faith story of Susana in Daniel 13? Done by the tradition of men under king James

 

[Eternally Grateful]

eternal life is the life of God that we share in by the grace of God, but we must endure and abide Matt 24:13 Jn 15:1-5

no

eternal life is is gods promise that whoever receives the gift of eternal life will live forever.

its a gift, hence it is given by grace. which means it can not be earned. which means it can not be lost (if it could be lost it would be called conditional life. and it would not be a gift, it would be a reward or a wage)

hence everlasting (eternal. never ending, everlasting lasting forever) life (spiritual life)

again. many in the church has made a religious interpretation of something God has given and failed to interpret it for what it really is. The interpret it to fit their belief instead of making their belief fit the interpretation

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They werent saved, but were told they were by these teachers-2Corinthians 11:12-15-- No man knows if another is saved.

true

But then you have no right to judge anyone if they are saved or not. And you have to admit that these people who practiced sin were never saved.

The gospel is believe in the name of Jesus. and call out

Not stop sin and be perfect.

The process off sanctification happens after we are saved not before.

we have to be confident as paul said, that whoever began the work in us will complete it..

we also have to know that by one sacrifice he has perfected forever (justification) those who are being sanctified (spiritual growth) and that spiritual growh/sanctification is a work of God. not our work.

 

[Keiw]

what about deleting books and chapters such as the great faith story of Susana in Daniel 13? Done by the tradition of men under king James

Nothing compared to the capitol G God in the last line at John 1:1 that does not belong there. It has mislead billions.

 

[Keiw]

true

But then you have no right to judge anyone if they are saved or not. And you have to admit that these people who practiced sin were never saved.

The gospel is believe in the name of Jesus. and call out

Not stop sin and be perfect.

The process off sanctification happens after we are saved not before.

we have to be confident as paul said, that whoever began the work in us will complete it..

we also have to know that by one sacrifice he has perfected forever (justification) those who are being sanctified (spiritual growth) and that spiritual growh/sanctification is a work of God. not our work.

All sin. some practice sin when they know it is wrong. No one considered righteous practices sin.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

All sin. some practice sin when they know it is wrong. No one considered righteous practices sin.

You do not understand what practicing sin means my friend

It is a lifestyle of sin, It is habitually it is ongoing, it is what an unbeliever does. It is all they know. Because they are forced to serve self.

A child of God can not practice sin. John said so. So why you continue to make it appear a child of God can when scripture says otherwise. Why would you do this?

 

[ScottA]

You should learn to understand english without twisting it. One who works iniquity is one who practices a sin=100% guarantee.

That would be laughable, but it's not funny.

What you are missing, is that the "english" you are referring to, was "twisted" ("confused") by God-- and therefore must be "spiritually discerned" and then "rightly divided." Which I have done exactly while you have not, but blame me for "twisting" it, as if I were God, who did what you accuse me of. And, yes, I might laugh, but will not, because you have done this against God.

 

[ScottA]

explain matt 24:13

"But he who endures to the end shall be saved." Matthew 24:13​

This Jesus said to his disciples before He paid for their salvation on the cross, and before He ascended unto the Father to make a place for them. As such, he was speaking to those of "this generation" wherein all these things would be fulfilled/finished. It is that "end" of which He spoke...not the end of all who ever read of it who are not even of the house of Israel, to whom He came and was speaking to.

Thus the need to "rightly divide" the word of truth.

 

[theefaith]

Nothing compared to the capitol G God in the last line at John 1:1 that does not belong there. It has mislead billions.

One God in three persons

 

[theefaith]

"But he who endures to the end shall be saved." Matthew 24:13​

This Jesus said to his disciples before He paid for their salvation on the cross, and before He ascended unto the Father to make a place for them. As such, he was speaking to those of "this generation" wherein all these things would be fulfilled/finished. It is that "end" of which He spoke...not the end of all who ever read of it who are not even of the house of Israel, to whom He came and was speaking to.

Thus the need to "rightly divide" the word of truth.

devide these

matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

1. Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness

2. Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"

3. The race of faith: the example of Paul

4. Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"

5. Hebrews 4:1-3, 9-12: "strive to enter the rest of God"

6.Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away

7. Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".

8. Matthew 24:13: He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved

9. Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end

10. Matthew 24:13: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved"

11. 1 John 2:24-25 – "if what you heard from the beginning abides in you"

12. 2 John 8-9 : to "everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ

13. 2 Peter 1:5-11 : "Make every effort to supplement your faith"

14. Philippians 2:12-16: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

15. 1 Timothy 6:10-16: the love of money

16. Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"

17. 2 Timothy 2:11-13: "if we deny him, he will also deny us"

18. James 5:19-20: the wandered brother

19. Some will abandon the faith

20. 1 Timothy 5:8: "he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"

22. The real family of Jesus: "Those who hear the Word of God and do it"

23. 1 Corinthians 5:5: "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"

24. Peter 2: "It would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness"

25. Jude: "Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness" - a much relevant warning

26. 1 Cor. 9:27 ....Lest I myself might become a castaway

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

So salvation by “faith alone” is completely false and impossible!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Just as Peter, having been "washed clean" by Christ, was embodied by Satan, causing Jesus to say "Get behind me Satan" to Peter...after we are born again of the spirit of God we can sin in the flesh without loosing our salvation-- Why? Because "we are alive and remain" in the world.

If you want to teach, you just can't twist verses out of context.

"Alive and remain" has to do with being physically alive having gone through the Great Tribulation and all the way to seeing the Lord come in the air. Our physical body is changed while we are still alive in it.

Jesus was still alive during the case with Peter. Not a good source for proving Christians sin. After Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to empower us, THEN all you are saying before trying to prove Christians sin is true.

 

[ScottA]

divide these
Only refers to Israel: matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Only refers to Israel: Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Only refers to Israel: Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Only refers to Israel: Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Only refers to those who are only "called", but not as yet chosen: Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Only refers to those who are only "called", but not as yet chosen: Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Only refers to those who are only "called", but not as yet chosen: 1. Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness

Only refers to those who are only "called", but not as yet chosen: 2. Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"

Only refers to those who are only "called", but not as yet chosen. Not Paul, but those to whom he gave the example: 3. The race of faith: the example of Paul

Only refers to those who are only "called", but not as yet chosen: 4. Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"

Only refers to those who are only "called", but not as yet chosen: 5. Hebrews 4:1-3, 9-12: "strive to enter the rest of God"

Only refers to those who are only "called", but not as yet chosen (Hebrews were of the house of Israel): 6.Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away

Only refers to those who are only "called", but not as yet chosen (Hebrews were of the house of Israel): 7. Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".

Only refers to Israel: 8. Matthew 24:13: He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved

Only refers to those who are only "called", but not as yet chosen (Hebrews were of the house of Israel): 9. Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end

Only refers to Israel: 10. Matthew 24:13: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved"

Only refers to Israel: 11. 1 John 2:24-25 – "if what you heard from the beginning abides in you"

Only refers to Israel: 12. 2 John 8-9 : to "everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ

Only refers to Israel: 13. 2 Peter 1:5-11 : "Make every effort to supplement your faith"

Only refers to those who are only "called", but not as yet chosen: 14. Philippians 2:12-16: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

Only refers to those who are only "called", but not as yet chosen: 15. 1 Timothy 6:10-16: the love of money

Only refers to Israel, and those who them rather than Christ:16. Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"

Only refers to those who are only "called", but not as yet chosen: 17. 2 Timothy 2:11-13: "if we deny him, he will also deny us"

Only refers to Israel: 18. James 5:19-20: the wandered brother

Only refers to those who are only "called", but not as yet chosen: 19. Some will abandon the faith

Only refers to those who are only "called", but not as yet chosen: 20. 1 Timothy 5:8: "he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"

Only refers to those who are only "called", but not as yet chosen: 22. The real family of Jesus: "Those who hear the Word of God and do it"

Only refers to those who are only "called", but not as yet chosen: 23. 1 Corinthians 5:5: "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"

Only refers to Israel: 24. Peter 2: "It would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness"

Only refers to the "ungodly": 25. Jude: "Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness" - a much relevant warning

Only an example for the sake of those who are only "called", but not as yet chosen: 26. 1 Cor. 9:27 ....Lest I myself might become a castaway

Only refers to those who are only "called", but not as yet chosen: Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

So salvation by “faith alone” is completely false and impossible!

This I have done (above in bold), but only by the Holy Spirit, as it is written of those who speak the truth. Click above "to expand."

But, no, this is not an issue of "faith alone", and you are not the judge of such things.

Rather, first, notice that you have put all these things together inappropriately, rather than "rightly dividing" them--against the counsel of God through Paul. This is the error that he counseled against, which error has caused a multitude of revelations to be kept from those who could not hear it for millennia.

 

[ScottA]

If you want to teach, you just can't use verses out of context.

"Alive and remain" has to do with being physically alive having gone through the Great Tribulation and all the way to seeing the Lord come in the air. Are physical body is changed while we are still alive in it.

Jesus was still alive during the case with Peter. Not a good source for proving Christians sin. After Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to empower us, THEN all you are saying before trying to prove Christians sin is true.

No...

The context of scripture is what God chooses, not those who write or those who read. It is only those who "hear what the Spirit says" who will hear His voice.

If it were not so, then all the Psalms regarding Jesus, were only about David, etc.. For this same reason Jesus asked those in the Temple “How is it that the scribes say that the Christ is the Son of David?" --but none could answer. But if you can hear it, I have given you the answer.

 

[Keiw]

You do not understand what practicing sin means my friend

It is a lifestyle of sin, It is habitually it is ongoing, it is what an unbeliever does. It is all they know. Because they are forced to serve self.

A child of God can not practice sin. John said so. So why you continue to make it appear a child of God can when scripture says otherwise. Why would you do this?

John was saying any who practice sin is not a child of God-1John 3 is telling who is who.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

No...

The context of scripture is what God chooses, not those who write or those who read. It is only those who "hear what the Spirit says" who will, hear His voice.

If it were not so, then all the Psalms regarding Jesus, were only about David, etc.. For this same reason Jesus asked those in the Temple “How is it that the scribes say that the Christ is the Son of David?" --but none could answer. But if you can hear it, I have given you the answer.

There are plenty of God's Own Words to say what you mean; you don't have to twist other scriptures that are their own proof texts of other subjects. You are loosing credibility. But that is up to you. Now study, and find the right sources of your doctrine, to see if your doctrine is God's.

 

[Keiw]

That would be laughable, but it's not funny.

What you are missing, is that the "english" you are referring to, was "twisted" ("confused") by God-- and therefore must be "spiritually discerned" and then "rightly divided." Which I have done exactly while you have not, but blame me for "twisting" it, as if I were God, who did what you accuse me of. And, yes, I might laugh, but will not, because you have done this against God.

The term one who works iniquity( lawlessness) is not that hard to understand--One who practices a sin.

 

[Keiw]

One God in three persons

No where in the bible does it say that.

 

[Keiw]

No...

The context of scripture is what God chooses, not those who write or those who read. It is only those who "hear what the Spirit says" who will hear His voice.

If it were not so, then all the Psalms regarding Jesus, were only about David, etc.. For this same reason Jesus asked those in the Temple “How is it that the scribes say that the Christ is the Son of David?" --but none could answer. But if you can hear it, I have given you the answer.

34,000 different religions with 34,000 different truths all say they have that spirit.