"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

[Lifelong_sinner]

Then why are Christians in Hebrews warned not to have an unbelieving heart and fall away?

"See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God."

because those who dont believe, were never saved to begin with. If you wake up tomorrow and all of a sudden dont believe, you didnt lose your faith, you simply never had any and were deceived. You CANNOT lose your salvation once God gives it to you. Literally cant be lost.

 

[Taken]

You are sinless? I don't know anyone who is sinless.

No. Sinless would mean to have never sinned.
I was born in sin, sinned, and have been forgiven my sins, my sins are covered, and I sin no more. Gods Works in me, Gods credit. His Power does the keeping of me to sin no more.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Cooper]

dont say that to cooper and gen2rev. They both think they’re saints and never ever sin now.

Come on.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

No. Sinless would mean to have never sinned.
I was born in sin, sinned, and have been forgiven my sins, my sins are covered, and I sin no more. Gods Works in me, Gods credit. His Power does the keeping of me to sin no more.

Glory to God,
Taken

you still sin. Everyone still sins, even paul continued to sin. But once justified, you can be forgiven.

 

[Renniks]

judas NEVER believed. He was NEVER EVER saved.

How do you know?
Acts 1:16–26 tells how Peter and the disciples choosing another apostle to fill the vacancy left by Judas. Verse 16 speaks of the Scripture being fulfilled that was spoken by the Holy Ghost concerning Judas.17, “For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.” verse 20, “And his bishopric [the charge of instructing and governing in spiritual concerns; office] let another take.”.. verse 25 says, “That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship [the of an apostle], from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” How could Judas fall from a position appointed to him by our Lord Himself if he never really was an apostle?

 

[Renniks]

because those who dont believe, were never saved to begin with. If you wake up tomorrow and all of a sudden dont believe, you didnt lose your faith, you simply never had any and were deceived. You CANNOT lose your salvation once God gives it to you. Literally cant be lost.

Lol, that doesn't make sense in light of the verse I just quoted.

 

[Taken]

you still sin. Everyone still sins, even paul continued to sin. But once justified, you can be forgiven.

You are in error to speak for me.
Do you not trust, Scripture that applies to a person born of God? I do.

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[Renniks]

No. Sinless would mean to have never sinned.
I was born in sin, sinned, and have been forgiven my sins, my sins are covered, and I sin no more. Gods Works in me, Gods credit. His Power does the keeping of me to sin no more.

Glory to God,
Taken

Then you are currently sinless? Sorry I don't believe you.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

How do you know?
Acts 1:16–26 tells how Peter and the disciples choosing another apostle to fill the vacancy left by Judas. Verse 16 speaks of the Scripture being fulfilled that was spoken by the Holy Ghost concerning Judas.17, “For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.” verse 20, “And his bishopric [the charge of instructing and governing in spiritual concerns; office] let another take.”.. verse 25 says, “That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship [the of an apostle], from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” How could Judas fall from a position appointed to him by our Lord Himself if he never really was an apostle?

wait… are you trying to say that judas was at one point saved???
Was Judas Iscariot forgiven / saved? | GotQuestions.org

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

You are in error to speak for me.
Do you not trust, Scripture that applies to a person born of God? I do.

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Oh im not speaking for you, im speaking to you. You still sin, daily as does everyone. The difference is, saved people can be forgiven, the unsaved cant.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Of course he knew. He is God. That doesn't mean Judas never believed.

Still avoids The Issue, Which is that of false doctrine!:

"Christ Says He ALWAYS KNEW" the TRULY saved, but they LOST salvation, so THEN, "HE says HE NEVER KNEW them." Precious friend??? UNscriptural, Correct?

or, NO answer?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I agree except for the sin of unbelief. If you have an unbelieving heart you can fall away from salvation.

An unbeliever is called an antichrist

John said they were never of us.

You can not fall away from what you never had.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

A born again person does not live in sin...any sin.
You do realize a born again person, is called “IN” Christ, Because they are occupying the use of Jesus’ RISEN body.

John says whoever sins has never seen or known God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Then why are Christians in Hebrews warned not to have an unbelieving heart and fall away?

"See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God."

We need context

16 Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt? 17 And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies perished in the wilderness?18 And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed? 19 So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.

These people never truly believed, they walked with moses. Left with him, Crossed the Red Sea with him, Was fed manna with him, and given water.

But they continued in sin because of their unbelieving heart. So they never entered the rest.

The author is warning his brothers and sister hebrews to not be like them.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Of course he knew. He is God. That doesn't mean Judas never believed.

Jesus said otherwise.

He called Judas not only an unbeliever, but a devil (john 6)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Then you are currently sinless? Sorry I don't believe you.

If we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves. I agree with you

 

[Renniks]

wait… are you trying to say that judas was at one point saved???
Was Judas Iscariot forgiven / saved? | GotQuestions.org

Possibly. He was chosen to be an apostle after all.

 

[Renniks]

Jesus said otherwise.

He called Judas not only an unbeliever, but a devil (john 6)

Which he was, because he fell away. But that doesn't mean he was never saved.

 

[Taken]

Then you are currently sinless?

Sorry I don't believe you.[/QUOTE]

You don’t believe me .... ABOUT WHAT?

 

[Renniks]

We need context

16 Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt? 17 And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies perished in the wilderness?18 And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed? 19 So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.

These people never truly believed, they walked with moses. Left with him, Crossed the Red Sea with him, Was fed manna with him, and given water.

But they continued in sin because of their unbelieving heart. So they never entered the rest.

The author is warning his brothers and sister hebrews to not be like them.

Lol, and why would be the point of a warning if they could not be like them?