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Runningman
Active Member
Almost got lured completely into Calvinism once. A lot of people do because it sounds religious, sounds good, sounds perfect. Started praying like a Calvinist, acting like a Calvinist, believing like a Calvinist, and every time I did I felt I was sinning. Something was not sitting right in my heart and soul with all of this. I figured, "Oh, that's just my subjective human emotions and they will mislead my from the objective truth if I listen to them." That isn't what was happening, but I didn't know it at the time. Those were alarm bells!
I kept pushing forward. Sooner or later, I began to develop no fear of sin because I didn't need to. I was elect after all and in the end I would get straightened up any way. For all intents and purposes, as a Calvinist, I was backsliding completely because I tricked myself into thinking I had the liberty to do anything I want because of God's "irresistible grace." I wasn't waking up, I was sinking deeper into the pits, and felt the wrath of God abiding on me like a dark shadow following me wherever I went. I kept brushing that feeling off.
One day I was praying. You know, running through the usual lines about how I am elect and I can sin if I want to, but thanks for the forgiveness with a big smile on my face. I must have pissed God off because in this prayer I heard an audible voice from heaven saying, "I hate sin. You will be judged and found guilty. YHWH has spoken." If that wasn't enough to scare me straight, I guess nothing would. That worked. I started paying attention to the Holy Spirit again and letting the Bible guide me.
Folks, don't mess around with Calvinism. It's a path to judgement and getting destroyed. You should obey what God told Jesus to tell us to do and it's more than just believing. You're going to need to make every effort to genuinely repent of your sin, avoid sin going forward, believe in Jesus, and most especially obey him in regards to not practicing sin.
John 3 (ESV)
36Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
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Carl Emerson
Well-Known Member
You can have assurance of Salvation and a hatred for sin...
Ritajanice
Born-Again
How true is that...our hearts become inline with the Spirit regarding sin....God hates sin...how can anyone carry on in sin, if they have been Born Of God’s seed...
Living by the Spirit
…24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us walk in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying one another.…
1 John 3
King James Version
3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
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amigo de christo
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Yes . If our assurance is IN JESUS the CHRIST . But what if i told you
that many are placing their assurance rather in an acroymn , not IN JESUS the CHRIST himself .
Yes if our faith be in Christ then we would have trusted ALL things HE said . Including the warnings
and reminders to continue in Him to the end .
Now as far as knowing we have eternal life i leave us with the words john once wrote .
That ye may KNOW you have eternal life and that ye might BELIEVE .
My eternal life comes not of me but rather is given me IN JESUS the GLORIOUS CHRIST .
But many no longer heed or even believe what was first delivered them .
IF that which you have HEARD from the beginning shall Remain in you , YOU shall continue in the Father and in the SON .
But i sees me many folks now within even christendom
heeding the voice of a stranger and though this voice often speaks and says GOD is LOVE
its version of love has made VOID the TRUE GOSPEL , TRUE LOVE OF GOD .
Its not a truth teller at all . it lies and is the father of the lies and it knows how to decieve .
What is its message , that because GOD is love , because GOD does desire none to perish
because GOD did create all , TRIES TO MAKE IT SEEM as though its not necessary to have beleived JESUS is the CHRIST .
And man are folks falling for this . Beleiving muslims and other religoins , WHO I KNOW KNOW NOT JESUS THE CHRIST ,
seem to be on the same road we are . NO sir , they on the BROAD PATH
and not the narrow . And the broad path dont lead to eternal life or give salvation . IT leads to PERDITION .
So the next time anyone hears the call to find common ground
REMEMBER , What do we have in COMMON with those of darkness . What communion has LIGHT with darkness .
WE have nothing in common with the lost . What we need to do is point them to CHRIST
not try and find a common truth . Cause they aint GOT the truth .
ITs like me telling you all , HEY lets find common ground with satan for world peace and safety .
WHAT common ground DO WE have with him . the true gospel is being silenced and all in the name
of what they believe is love and tolerance .
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
Lift those hands and praise and thank the glorious Lord .
The Father has chosen HOW to save the world , by the preaching of the one true gospel of CHRIST JESUS
that all who do believe will not perish but have everlasting life .
What GOD has joined , what GOD has determined , What GOD has done , let no man put
asunder a marry a HARLOT who preaches interfaith lies in the name of what it calleth God and His love .
That ol broad path , wont end well , it ends with perdition upon all who walked that road .
There be a solution , there be an answer , there be a name and that name be above all names , whereby
one can be saved . JESUS THE CHRIST OF GOD , SON OF GOD . Time for the BELIEVE word to be put back
into our conversations . Now raise them hands and let all that has breath praise the glorious King .
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
He that loveth not his brother abides in death . Who so ever HATES his brother is a murderer and ye know no murderer
has eternal life .
Now watch this rita . HE who spares the rod hates his own son . Notice non correction is hate .
Ye shall not HATE your neighbor in your heart , you shall in any way REBUKE him and NOT allow Sin upon Him .
Just a friendly reminder for us all . He who leads his brother into a ditch ,
he who sets a snare for his brother ......
WELL PUTTING up a big fat broad path of interfaith false love , BE A FAT SNARE and all shall fall into the ditch .
Cause INTERFAITH is lying and has set up a real broad no need to Believe on JESUS the CHRIST road .
And sister , that path ends in destruction .
Muhammed and all others cannot save . In fact with men IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to be saved .
BUT NOT WITH GOD . and i KNOW WHAT NAME AND PLAN HE DID SEND so as one could be saved .
BELIEVE THAT NAME and IN THAT NAME cause all else is as the winds of vainity and shall reap only
bitter destructoin of a massive storm of destruction . Time for the BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST
to be put a the forefront again . Souls are at stake , and man sure cannot save himself . BUT JESUS CAN .
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Calvin makes some very good points..which most certainly is backed up by scripture.
All that being said..I can only follow what I believe the Spirit is witnessing to my heart, by his divine heart revelation.imo.
All that being said..I can only follow what I believe the Spirit is witnessing to my heart, by his divine heart revelation.imo.
It's not about the will, Behold, or whether it is free or not. If one is still in his or her natural state, which is not born again of the Spirit, his or her will ~ free or not ~ is to do the will of his or her father the devil. And that is because he or she is of the devil and not of God.
"But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ ~ by grace you have been saved..."
Because you're been born again of the Spirit.
Yes, this is the Spirit's bring you from death in sin to life in Christ.
Sure it can, but because the heart is dead in sin, the mind will never choose the Right because the heart drives the mind/will.
Acceptable... this is our being born again of the Spirit. And when this happens, our FREE WILL <chuckle> will then not fail to choose the Right.
Agreed. This "forcing on you by God" thing is quite ridiculous.
Yet again, Behold, the issue is the heart, not the will or the mind. God changes the heart ~ He changes the heart from stone to flesh, as Ezekiel puts it (Ezekiel 36:26) ~ and then having this new heart, in Isaiah's words (35:10), our blind eyes are opened, our deaf ears unstopped, having been lame we are then able to leap like a dear, and our formerly mute tongue sings for joy... which is his poetic way of saying, we believe ~ and yes, then choose rightly ~ because our hearts have been given life.
Again, I point out what Jesus says in John 6, that "no one can come to me unless the Father draws him," in John 8, that "you cannot bear to hear my word. You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires...", and in John 10 to the Jews at the feast of dedication: "...you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me." Even to His disciples, in John 15, He says "You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide..."
This is the general call of the Gospel to all. But God's call, issued only to His elect by His Spirit, is in the heart.
Agreed. That's quite ridiculous, as I said.
No, but given it is, by the grace of God. As Jesus tells Nicodemus in John 3:8, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."
Grace and peace to you.
Right, this is the free call of the Gospel, and it is issue to all of mankind.
But yes, few are chosen. The ones who are chosen ~ before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him, as Paul says in Ephesians 1:4 ~ are the ones who receive the inward salvific call of God, issued by the Holy Spirit. Consider this, TLHKAJ:
You and I agree that there is a call issued by God that can go unheeded, that can be resisted. We agree on that. But there is another call spoken of extensively in Scripture, namely... Paul says in Romans 8:30 that "those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom He called He also justified, and those whom He justified He also glorified." Jesus says in John 6:39 that "this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I should lose nothing of all that He has given Me, but raise it up on the last day." In these verses (and others), both Paul and Jesus speak of a call that always results in the outcome for which it was given/issued... indeed that it never goes unheeded and is therefore never resisted.
As Paul says in Romans 9, this is "in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls..." God says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.' So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy... God has mercy on whomever He wills, and He hardens whomever He wills... and all this is the purpose of God to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory, even us whom He has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles.
And read what the prophet Joel says, that "it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the Lord calls." Implicit in this is that there are some ~ we cannot know how many, but some ~ that the Lord does not call, does not issue His inward salvific calling, and thus they do not then call on the name of the Lord. This just cannot be denied.
The issue is the heart, TLHKAJ, not the mind or the will. The heart must be changed ~ because of the inward call by the Spirit ~ and then, the mind, the will, will follow the heart.
Grace and peace to you!
Behold
Well-Known Member
Remember now, the Thread is discussing Calvinism, because its a doctrine of devils and its a mind blinding demonic situation.
So, here is the Lie of Calvinism.
""""Calvinists believe that, at the beginning of time, God selected a limited number of souls to grant salvation and there's nothing any individual person can do during their mortal life to alter their eternal fate.""""
See that? That is the lie of Calvinism that denies The Cross, and spits on the Grace of God.
IN real life, in the real world, there are unbelievers whose Lifestyle is what many Christians should try to emulate regarding being nice, kind, honest, disciplined, and dependable.
The reason God wont have them, is because they are UNBELIEVERS..... and you have to give your Faith in Christ to GOD, or God wont accept you., even if you are a really really good person,.... and there are a lot of them, who are not Christians.
Thats symbolic.
So, if we look at the behavior of a Christian, as their "heart condition", then we see who they really are.. as you "know them by their deeds".. not by some obscure symbolic verse that talks about a heart of flesh.
And nowhere in any bible, greek text or apostles letters,..... does it say that Jesus causes you to believe.
"Drawing" is LEADING YOU, to something.... not causing you to have it.
Listen, when i preach The Cross, the HS takes that Gospel that Paul gave us, and he leads the hearer into the "knowledge of the Truth".
In other words the HS gives them the revelation that the Gospel is TRUE..........as that is the "Drawing" that is the work of the HS.
its also called "conviction".
But what the HS does not Do, is BELIEVE FOR YOU, or Cause you to take that Step of faith, as that would be coercion, and God does not do that.. He only Offers Salvation, and WE decide to believe.
See, ts YOUR FAITH in Christ, that God has to have..
So, if God put faith in you, as demonic hyper-calvinism teaches, then that is HIS faith, not yours.. And God is looking for OUR Faith..
He doesn't need His........He needs to see OUR Faith in Christ< in our heart., as THAT is the faith that God accepts and "Counts as (Christ's) Righteousness", on our behalf., because WE HAVE BELIEVED... It OUR FAITH.. GOD Accepts.
You are posting more of Calvins "pre-destined" false gospel doctrine, that denies John 3:16, and violates the Intention of the Cross of Christ.
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amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
So even can pope francis make good points and yet leads astray many .
Oh calivin did know some truths . no doubt about that . But beware of men for just because he made some good points
DID Not also mean he made some serious errenous ones too .
Let me ask you a question sister . Cause you made a good point about the SPIRIT witnessing to us .
SO here is the questoin , what spirit do you believe is behind
this massive merger of the religoins that has trod the dire necessity to believe on CHRIST under foot
and rather implies that all religoins have truth and no ones truth is better than the others .
KEEP IN MIND ITS JESUS ALONE WHO IS THE TRUTH the WAY AND THE LIFE and that NOT A ONE of these other
religions believes he to be THE CHRIST OF GOD but rather DENIES HIM as the CHRIST .
ITS OF ANTI CHRIST . sent to SOUND LOVING and KIND , caring and tolerant to the unknowing of this world
But at its end bringeth perdition . Sounds to me like a very strong delusion roams about the lands .
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Where does belief in God come from?
The Bible tells us that faith has a source, and it isn't us. Hebrews 12 says that Jesus is the author of our faith. In 2 Peter 1:1 we read, “To those who have been allotted faith equally precious as ours in the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ.” We are allotted faith in Jesus. It is given to us by God.
I think Calvin teaches the above.
The Bible tells us that faith has a source, and it isn't us. Hebrews 12 says that Jesus is the author of our faith. In 2 Peter 1:1 we read, “To those who have been allotted faith equally precious as ours in the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ.” We are allotted faith in Jesus. It is given to us by God.
I think Calvin teaches the above.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
Not from the flesh . No man can even call HIM LORD but by the SPIRIT .
and no man would cast him out BY THE SPIRIT either . as does every other religoin cast him out as THE CHRIST .
THEY deny HIM as the CHRIST .
So again i ask us all , DO WE REALLY think pope francis and these men of interfaith and bridge builders
religious tolerance finding common ground , SPEAK FROM the SPIRIT of GOD
or do they UNDER A DELUSION only THINK its coming of GOD when in TRUTH it has come FROM HE who DECIEVETH man .
Lets remember this and do KEEP it in mind when we watch HOW fast this junk has filled even our own churches
and yet they Call it LOVE and say ITS Of GOD . ITS a DELUSION ritajanice . A DELUSION
that has been sent to unify this people , these religoins and all of humanity
TO BELIEVE A LIE and they shall BE DAMNED . seems to me many do REJECT the true gospel of JESUS the CHRIST
and fall prey to this DELUSION to believe a lie , believing it to even COME from GOD . When it came ONLY
from HE who desired to be as GOD , the DEVIL .
Behold
Well-Known Member
Which God?
The Islamics have FAITH in ALLAH.
Ive posted a "Prayer Thread" for Steve and Jenny, who are Euro-Pagans, who worship the earth, as that is their FAITH.
Tom Cruise Has FAITH in Scientology.
SEE all that FAITH?
So, everyone has Faith, but not everyone will give that Faith to CHRIST so that God can give them the new birth.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Indeed, Faith is a supernatural gift from God...Gods seed of faith is planted into our heart by God hence Born Of Gods seed.
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Supernatural faith can move mountains, but, it must go through many trials and tribulations , plus supernatural faith must be understood.and exercised
You can’t have faith in God, without him ,testifying with our spirit that we are Gods child, the Spirit testifies with our spirit...we need to know God in our spirit/ Born Again, he must supernaturally bring our spirit from death to life, in Christ, that comes by divine heart revelation ...
To have faith in God, it must be gifted from him..human faith in God, is pointless ...
I think Calvin taught that, therefore I concur.
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amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
We in the last of days sister . The hour comes when no man can work . WHEN ONCE the MASTER of the HOUSE
has risen up and CLOSED THE DOOR , ALL outside shall wail .
The devil has great wrath as he knows his time is short . He taketh captive now all not in the lambs book of life
to a lie that will merge them as one and come to finish off any and all who resisted the lie , who conformed not
who worshipped not the love god . To them it simply is a god of love as it panders to the flesh
and gives them their hearts desires , salvation and THEIR SIN and UNBELIEF .
To them it simply is love . IT is a kind god , a loving god , a god who desires only good for them .
TO the lambs WE SEE it for what it is , IT IS NO GOD OF LOVE but has come to DECIEVE
this world so that all who believe it WILL SURELY PERISH . it has turned them against
THE ONLY GOD and HIS CHRIST , HIS TRUTH , HIS GOSPEL by which they COULD have been saved .
and it is turning them against the very saints sent by the LORD who have come
to do all to help point this world TO THE ONLY ONE IT ALWAYS NEEDED CHRIST JESUS . Its getting worse sister .
But dont hang ya head in defeat , Dont let the hands hang low and the feet drag ,
JESUS OVERCAME THE WORLD and IN HIM , our faith in HIM SO DO WE and at our end , A LOVELY LORD PROVIDED HOME
awaits us all who BELIEVED GOD .
and now a word . HE who beleives NOT the testimony that GOD gave of HIS SON , calls GOD a liar .
HE who beleives in JESUS THE CHRIST , HAS ETERNAL LIFE . and try and they may to pry us from HIM , THEY CANNOT .
FOR JESUS has the sheep and all the deceptoins of darkness they shall not heed .
No threat of harm can move them . FOR JESUS is with them and shall Provide ALL they need
to endure . No hope in man . HOPE IN GOD , HOPE IN CHRIST and hit the trenches , ITS ALL out war for the souls of men .
Behold
Well-Known Member
Faith is supernatural regarding the fact that.....Everyone is born with it.
However only the BORN AGAIN, already, ... might be given the Gift of Faith., as that Gift is very rare.
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