Romans 6:22

[Johann]

Our flesh is made up of so many lbs in weight, is prone to sin,

Thank you for this...the flesh, prone to sin.
J.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Mat 7:3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

Mat 7:4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye?

Mat 7:5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Mat 7:6 “Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.


1. That those who are most censorious of others, are usually more notorious and culpable themselves, if not for the same sins, yet for others of equal if not greater magnitude.

2. That it is notorious hypocrisy to spy smaller faults in others, and not to see greater in ourselves.

3. That it is notorious impudence to pretend to censure and judge others for sins in which we live ourselves.

4. That there is no such way to teach us charity in not hastily, rashly, or too severely judging others, as to look first into our own hearts and ways, and seeing if we have not the same or greater failings. Our charity in this kind should begin at home.

J.

Its funny how he acts just like a pharisee..yet he can not see it

 

[Johann]

Its funny how he acts just like a pharisee..yet he can not see it

He is a loose cannonball with no accountability, @Eternally Grateful


Rom 16:17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.

Rom 16:18 For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.

Shalom
J.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

those who are most censorious of others, are usually more notorious and culpable themselves

Yikes!

Then What does that say about the Bible writers who brought us into conviction so frequently in the scriptures?

Be careful what your philosophy does to the credibility of the holy scriptures and God himself!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

he acts just like a pharisee.

If I acted like a Pharisee I would not have believed in Jesus.

[the Pharisee accusation again]

 

[Behold]

I was born a Jew; both my parents were Jews. Are you saying that what Paul (a Jew) wrote is not applicable to me?

My " local church" is a messianic congregation in Netanya, Israel.

I understand "Jew". Jewish, and Messianic Jew.
You could ask my wife who is one, also.

Now,
Jesus said of Paul..

"He is a chosen vessel unto me". Who is sent to the GENTILES.

Why?
Because God's dealing with man, is currently what is known as "the time of the Gentiles".
So, it makes '"NT sense"... that Jesus sent Paul as "the apostle to the gentiles".... Acts 28:28.

This means that God is specifically dealing with Gentiles, until the Trib starts.
But God is always universally dealing with man, through the Cross of Christ.
"go into all the world"......and give them : 2 Corinthians 5:19

Doctrinally, the NT is : Pauline Theology.

As a matter of Fact, Peter, stated of Paul's letters, that he had, ....in his hand.........that Paul's Letters are "Scripture".... = to the Torah.
And that was before Paul's epistles were made into the New Testament.

Paul was not even one of the original 12 Apostles, and yet PETER knew that Paul's writings were BIBLE, long before we read them in the NT.

 

[Behold]

Thank you for this...the flesh, prone to sin.
J.

Paul teaches the born again : "but you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit"...if you are born again. and have Jesus in you....

ROMANS 8:9........ as @charity is trying to show you, as i have tried to teach you, also, using this Thread and a lot of posts.

And PAUL is right., even tho you really do LOUDLY object, Johann.
However, that wont change the truth, but you can still try if that is what feeds your motivation to be on my Thread, again.

Here is your issue.
You are trying to live the Christian life, by self effort.
When you do that, you are this..

Jesus said...>"apart from me you can do nothing".

See that "nothing? That is the "sinning and confessing"........that's the nothing that is ALL you can do.
Net Chaplin teaches all over the Internet, that this failed spiritual walk with God is "real Christianity".

Christianity is a SPIRITUAL situation, that is perfected in life by Revelation Knowledge that you BELIEVE.
That is the "renewed mind", and that is how you "walk in the Spirit".
That is how you "work out your Salvation". and become......."as many as BE Perfect" ... Paul teaches us.

 

[Johann]

That is how you "work out your Salvation".

Firstly, I didn't know I stumbled on your thread/t.
Secondly, your assessment of me and my beliefs is in error.

Paul teaches the born again : "but you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit"...if you are born again. and have Jesus in you....

ROMANS 8:9........ as @charity is trying to show you, as i have tried to teach you, also, using this Thread and a lot of posts.

And PAUL is right., even tho you really do LOUDLY object, Johann.
However, that wont change the truth, but you can still try if that is what feeds your motivation to be on my Thread, again.

Here is your issue.
You are trying to live the Christian life, by self effort.
When you do that, you are this..

Jesus said...>"apart from me you can do nothing".

See that "nothing? That is the "sinning and confessing"........that's the nothing that is ALL you can do.
Net Chaplin teaches all over the Internet, that this failed spiritual walk with God is "real Christianity".

Christianity is a SPIRITUAL situation, that is perfected in life by Revelation Knowledge that you BELIEVE.
That is the "renewed mind", and that is how you "walk in the Spirit".
That is how you "work out your Salvation". and become......."as many as BE Perfect" ... Paul teaches us.

ASSURANCE

A. Can Christians know they are saved (cf. 1 John 5:13)? 1 John has three tests or evidences.

1. Doctrinal (belief, 1 John 1:1,5,10; 2:18-25; 4:1-6,14-16; 5:11-12)

2. Lifestyle (obedience, 1 John 2:2-3; 2:3-6; 3:1-10; 5:18)

3. Social (love, 1 John 1:2-3; 2:7-11; 3:11-18; 4:7-12, 16-21)



B. Assurance has become a denominational issue

1. John Calvin based assurance on God's election. He said that we can never be certain in this life.

2. John Wesley based assurance on religious experience. He believed that we have the ability to live above known sin.

3. Roman Catholics and the Church of Christ base assurance on an authoritative Church. The group to which one belongs is the key to assurance.

4. Most evangelicals base assurance on the promises of the Bible, linked to the fruit of the Spirit (cf. Gal. 5:22-23) in the life of the believer (i.e., daily Christlikeness).



C. Believers' primary assurance is linked to the character of the Triune God

1. God the Father's love

a. John 3:16; 10:28-29

b. Romans 8:31-39

c. Ephesians 2:5,8-9

d. Philippians 1:6

e. 1 Peter 1:3-5

f. 1 John 4:7-21

2. God the Son's actions

a. death on our behalf

1) Acts 2:23

2) Romans 5:6-11

3) 2 Corinthians 5:21

4) 1 John 2:2; 4:9-10

b. high priestly prayer (John 17:12)

c. continuing intercession

1) Romans 8:34

2) Hebrews 7:25

3) 1 John 2:1

3. God the Spirit's ministry

a. calling (John 6:44,65)

b. sealing

1) 2 Corinthians 1:22; 5:5

2) Ephesians 1:13-14; 4:3

c. assuring

1) Romans 8:16-17

2) 1 John 5:7-13



D. But humans must respond to God's covenant offer (both initially and continually)

1. believers must turn from sin (repentance) and to God through Jesus (faith)

a. Mark 1:15

b. Acts 3:16,19; 20:21

2. believers must receive God's offer in Christ (see Special Topic: What Does It Mean to "receive," "believe," "confess/profess," "call upon"?)

a. John 1:12; 3:16

b. Romans 5:1 (and by analogy 10:9-13)

c. Ephesians 2:5,8-9

3. believers must continue in the faith (see Special Topic: Perseverance)

a. Mark 13:13

b. 1 Corinthians 15:2

c. Galatians 6:9

d. Hebrews 3:14

e. 2 Peter 1:10

f. Jude 20-21

g. Revelation 2:2-3,7,10,17,19,25-26; 3:5,10,11,21



E. Assurance is difficult because

1. often believers seek certain experiences not promised in the Bible

2. often believers do not fully understand the gospel

3. often believers continue to willfully sin (cf. 1 Cor. 3:10-15; 9:27; 1 Tim. 1:19-20; 2 Tim. 4:10; 2 Pet. 1:8-11)

4. certain personality types (i.e., perfectionists) can never accept God's unconditional acceptance and love

5. in the Bible there are examples of false professions (cf. Matt. 13:3-23; 7:21-23; Mark 4:14-20; 2 Pet. 2:19-20; 1 John 2:18-19, see Special Topic: Apostasy)
Utley.

So, according to you, I am relying on my "self efforts?"

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Firstly, I didn't know I stumbled on your thread/t.
Secondly, your assessment of me and my beliefs is in error.

ASSURANCE

A. Can Christians know they are saved (cf. 1 John 5:13)? 1 John has three tests or evidences.

1. Doctrinal (belief, 1 John 1:1,5,10; 2:18-25; 4:1-6,14-16; 5:11-12)

2. Lifestyle (obedience, 1 John 2:2-3; 2:3-6; 3:1-10; 5:18)

3. Social (love, 1 John 1:2-3; 2:7-11; 3:11-18; 4:7-12, 16-21)



B. Assurance has become a denominational issue

1. John Calvin based assurance on God's election. He said that we can never be certain in this life.

2. John Wesley based assurance on religious experience. He believed that we have the ability to live above known sin.

3. Roman Catholics and the Church of Christ base assurance on an authoritative Church. The group to which one belongs is the key to assurance.

4. Most evangelicals base assurance on the promises of the Bible, linked to the fruit of the Spirit (cf. Gal. 5:22-23) in the life of the believer (i.e., daily Christlikeness).



C. Believers' primary assurance is linked to the character of the Triune God

1. God the Father's love

a. John 3:16; 10:28-29

b. Romans 8:31-39

c. Ephesians 2:5,8-9

d. Philippians 1:6

e. 1 Peter 1:3-5

f. 1 John 4:7-21

2. God the Son's actions

a. death on our behalf

1) Acts 2:23

2) Romans 5:6-11

3) 2 Corinthians 5:21

4) 1 John 2:2; 4:9-10

b. high priestly prayer (John 17:12)

c. continuing intercession

1) Romans 8:34

2) Hebrews 7:25

3) 1 John 2:1

3. God the Spirit's ministry

a. calling (John 6:44,65)

b. sealing

1) 2 Corinthians 1:22; 5:5

2) Ephesians 1:13-14; 4:3

c. assuring

1) Romans 8:16-17

2) 1 John 5:7-13



D. But humans must respond to God's covenant offer (both initially and continually)

1. believers must turn from sin (repentance) and to God through Jesus (faith)

a. Mark 1:15

b. Acts 3:16,19; 20:21

2. believers must receive God's offer in Christ (see Special Topic: What Does It Mean to "receive," "believe," "confess/profess," "call upon"?)

a. John 1:12; 3:16

b. Romans 5:1 (and by analogy 10:9-13)

c. Ephesians 2:5,8-9

3. believers must continue in the faith (see Special Topic: Perseverance)

a. Mark 13:13

b. 1 Corinthians 15:2

c. Galatians 6:9

d. Hebrews 3:14

e. 2 Peter 1:10

f. Jude 20-21

g. Revelation 2:2-3,7,10,17,19,25-26; 3:5,10,11,21



E. Assurance is difficult because

1. often believers seek certain experiences not promised in the Bible

2. often believers do not fully understand the gospel

3. often believers continue to willfully sin (cf. 1 Cor. 3:10-15; 9:27; 1 Tim. 1:19-20; 2 Tim. 4:10; 2 Pet. 1:8-11)

4. certain personality types (i.e., perfectionists) can never accept God's unconditional acceptance and love

5. in the Bible there are examples of false professions (cf. Matt. 13:3-23; 7:21-23; Mark 4:14-20; 2 Pet. 2:19-20; 1 John 2:18-19, see Special Topic: Apostasy)
Utley.

So, according to you, I am relying on my "self efforts?"

if I may,

From what you posted here. It does believe you are relying on self effort. if nothing else. to remain in the faith..


We have assurance because God said he will never leave nor forsake. and we can know we have eternal life

anyone who bases their eternity based on something they do (or don't do) is relying on self

 

[Behold]

3. believers must continue in the faith (see Special Topic: Perseverance)

Calvinism, that you are teaching, is an enemy of the Cross Of Christ.

You are teaching that to continue in faith, is the Savior.

That is faith in faith, and not faith in Christ.
Big distinction.
Huge.

Jesus said that His Cross, and "The Gift of Salvation", unearned but received as proven by being born again is this.

Jesus said. "all that believe in me, i give unto you Eternal Life, and you (the born again) shall NEVER PERISH"

So, Johann, you are teaching that if you dont "continue" you will "perish", and so, you dont understand Salvation, and you just denied the Word of Jesus, who told you that you "will never Perish"., if you have Believed.
Proof of Belief? = Born again.
Thats the only proof of having God's Salvation.

You teach...>"yes i can" Perish.
And that teaching is "anti-cross" and "grace denying" LEGALISM.

Its Calvinism, and that is a spiritual death trap.
You would do well to stop cutting and pasting , and start listening.

 

[Johann]

So, Johann, you are teaching that if you dont "continue" you will "perish", and so, you dont understand Salvation, and you just denied the Word of Jesus, who told you that you "will never Perish"., if you have Believed.

You continually put words in my mouth....

PERSEVERANCE

The biblical doctrines related to the Christian life are difficult to explain because they are presented in typically eastern, dialectical pairs (see Special Topic: Eastern Literature [biblical paradoxes]). These pairs seem contradictory, yet both poles are biblical. Western Christians have tended to choose one truth and ignore or depreciate the opposite truth. Some examples:

1. Is salvation an initial decision to trust Christ or a life-time commitment to discipleship?

2. Is salvation an election by means of grace from a sovereign God or a faith and repentant response on mankind's part to a divine offer?

3. Is salvation, once received, impossible to lose, or is there a need for continual diligence?



The issue of perseverance has been contentious throughout church history. The problem starts with seemingly conflicting passages of the NT:

1. texts on assurance

a. statements of Jesus in John's Gospel (John 6:37; 10:28-29)

b. statements of Paul (Rom. 8:35-39; Eph. 1:13; 2:5,8-9; Phil. 1:6; 2:13; 2 Thess. 3:3; 2 Tim. 1:12; 4:18)

c. statements of Peter (1 Pet. 1:4-5)

2. texts on the need for perseverance

a. statements of Jesus in the Synoptic Gospels (Matt. 10:22; 13:1-9,24-30; 24:13; Mark 13:13)

b. statements of Jesus in John's Gospel (John 8:31; 15:4-10)

c. statements of Paul (Rom. 11:22; 1 Cor. 15:2; 2 Cor. 13:5; Gal. 1:6; 3:4; 5:4; 6:9; Phil. 2:12; 3:18-20; Col. 1:23; 2 Tim. 3:2)

d. statements of the author of Hebrews (2:1; 3:6,14; 4:14; 6:11)

e. statements of John (1 John 2:6; 2 John 9; Rev. 2:7,17,26; 3:5,12,21; 21:7)



Biblical salvation issues from the love, mercy, and grace of a sovereign Triune God. No human can be saved without the initiation of the Spirit (cf. John 6:44,65). Deity comes first and sets the agenda, but demands that humans must respond in faith and repentance, both initially and continually. God works with mankind in a covenant relationship. There are privileges and responsibilities!

Salvation is offered to all humans. Jesus' death dealt with the sin problem of the fallen creation! God has provided a way and wants all those made in His image to respond to His love and provision in Jesus.

If you would like to read more on this subject see

1. Dale Moody, The Word of Truth, Eerdmans, 1981 (pp. 348-365)

2. Howard Marshall, Kept by the Power of God, Bethany Fellowship, 1969

3. Robert Shank, Life in the Son, Westcott, 1961



The Bible addresses two different problems in this area: (1) taking assurance as a license to live fruitless, selfish lives or (2) encouraging those who struggle with ministry and personal sin.

The problem is that the wrong groups are taking the wrong message and building theological systems on limited biblical passages. Some Christians desperately need the message of assurance, while others need the stern warnings of perseverance! Which group are you in?

There is a historical theological controversy involving Augustine versus Pelagius and Calvin versus Arminius (semi-Pelagian). The issue involves the question of salvation: if one is truly saved, must he persevere in faith and fruitfulness?

The Calvinists line up behind those biblical texts that assert God's sovereignty and keeping-power (John 10:27-30; Rom. 8:31-39; 1 John 5:13,18; 1 Pet. 1:3-5) and verb tenses like the perfect passive participles of Eph. 2:5,8.

The Arminians line up behind those biblical texts that warn believers to "hold on," "hold out," or "continue" (Matt. 10:22; 24:9-13; Mark 13:13; John 15:4-6; 1 Cor. 15:2; Gal. 6:9; Rev. 2:7,11,17,26; 3:5,12,21; 21:7). I personally do not believe that Hebrews 6 and 10 are applicable, but many Arminians use them as a warning against apostasy. The parable of the Sower in Matthew 13 and Mark 4 addresses the issue of apparent belief, as does John 8:31-59. As Calvinists quote the perfect tense verbs used to describe salvation, the Arminians quote the present tense passages like 1 Cor. 1:18; 15:2; 2 Cor. 2:15.

This is a perfect example of how theological systems abuse the proof-texting method of interpretation. Usually a guiding principle or chief text is used to construct a theological grid by which all other texts are viewed. Be careful of grids from any source. They come from western logic, not revelation. The Bible is an eastern book. It presents truth in tension-filled, seemingly paradoxical pairs. Christians are meant to affirm both and live within the tension. The NT presents both the security of the believer and the demand for continuing faith and godliness. Christianity is an initial response of repentance and faith followed by a continuing response of repentance and faith. Salvation is not a product (a ticket to heaven or a fire insurance policy), but a relationship. It is a decision and discipleship. It is described in the NT in all verb tenses:

aorist (completed action), Acts 15:11; Rom. 8:24; 2 Tim. 1:9; Titus 3:5
perfect (completed action with continuing results), Eph. 2:5,8
present (continuing action), 1 Cor. 1:18; 15:2; 2 Cor. 2:15
future (future events or certain events), Rom. 5:8,10; 10:9; 1 Cor. 3:15; Phil. 1:28; 1 Thess. 5:8-9; Heb. 1:14; 9:28

By the way, I will continue to "cut and paste"
Read carefully
Notes from Utley, who incidentally, was not a Calvinist, a tell tale indicative you do not read the whole, but in part.

 

[Behold]

You continually put words in my mouth....

Be honest, Johann.

Listen, i put YOUR own QUOTE... "in your mouth"., i posted it for you and for the other members to SEE.

Same as now., Johann.

Same as in my next post.

 

[Johann]

Same as in my next post.

You shot back too quickly, indicative you don't read what is presented.
Let the members put this to the test.
You did not even read the scriptures IN the post which means you are here to "teach" and anyone disagreeing with you is a legalist, depending on self efforts, or is a Calvinist.

I am not going to play the victim here brother.

You have a nice day, and do put me on ignore should I stumble on your thread again.
J.

 

[Behold]

You shot back too quickly, indicative you don't read what is presented.

Here is the core of all your "cut and paste".

Let me post if for you again.

""""" believers must continue in the faith (see Special Topic: Perseverance):::'''



Perseverance, is a HYPER CALVINIST doctrine, that is teaching that its not the Cross of Christ as the Blood Atonement that is God's Salvation.... but rather is if you persevere..... =self effort........works........ LEGALISM

I told you the same before, and ill tell you the same ,,,,,, in your next posts.... that you are teaching = anti-cross, Hyper Calvinism "doctrine of Devils".... Johann.

Hebrews 13:9

 

[Johann]

I told you the same before, and ill tell you the same ,,,,,, in your next posts.... that you are teaching = anti-cross, Hyper Calvinism "doctrine of Devils".... Johann.

I stand by what is posted, which you did not read.
There's a clash of personality types and communication.
if you have read the post and look at the scripture references, something fruitful would/might have come out of this, but you are right, Johann is in error.

 

[Wrangler]

Perseverance, is a HYPER CALVINIST doctrine, that is teaching that its not the Cross of Christ as the Blood Atonement that is God's Salvation.... but rather is if you persevere..... =self effort........works........ LEGALISM

How do you reconcile these verses with your brand of OSAS?

And you are included among those Gentiles who have been called to belong to Jesus Christ ... Rom 1:6​

​

But because you are stubborn and refuse to turn from your sin, you are storing up terrible punishment for yourself. For a day of anger is coming, when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 He will judge everyone according to what they have done. 7 He will give eternal life to those who keep on doing good, seeking after the glory and honor and immortality that God offers. 8 But he will pour out his anger and wrath on those who live for themselves, who refuse to obey the truth and instead live lives of wickedness. 9 There will be trouble and calamity for everyone who keeps on doing what is evil—for the Jew first and also for the Gentile ​

Rom 2:5-9​

​

Let me guess. You do not equate 1:6, belonging to Christ as being born again saved?

 

[marks]

I stand by what is posted, which you did not read.
There's a clash of personality types and communication.
if you have read the post and look at the scripture references, something fruitful would/might have come out of this, but you are right, Johann is in error.

There's a lot of "talking past" others, and "talking down" to others. That's very detrimental to real communication.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Calvinism, that you are teaching, is an enemy of the Cross Of Christ.

You are teaching that to continue in faith, is the Savior.

That is faith in faith, and not faith in Christ.
Big distinction.
Huge.

Jesus said that His Cross, and "The Gift of Salvation", unearned but received as proven by being born again is this.

Jesus said. "all that believe in me, i give unto you Eternal Life, and you (the born again) shall NEVER PERISH"

So, Johann, you are teaching that if you dont "continue" you will "perish", and so, you dont understand Salvation, and you just denied the Word of Jesus, who told you that you "will never Perish"., if you have Believed.
Proof of Belief? = Born again.
Thats the only proof of having God's Salvation.

You teach...>"yes i can" Perish.
And that teaching is "anti-cross" and "grace denying" LEGALISM.

Its Calvinism, and that is a spiritual death trap.
You would do well to stop cutting and pasting , and start listening.

A calvinist does not believe one must persevere, or that they can lose salvation..

 

[Behold]

There's a clash of personality types and communication.

You dont have a personality clash, Johann , you have a Hyper Calvinism, issue.

John Calvin, has led you into his LEGALISM, and i can tell you that its possible to get out of this darkness, but, as Calvinism is built on a person's self righteousness.....its a deep mental stronghold and a real problem for its victims.

Just remember this..
Calvin was a Cross rejector who built his Salvation Theology on a person's "performance" to try to be approved by God and maintain this approval.
See that?
That is what JUDE defined as : "the error of CAIN".

Paul defines people who teach this anti cross theology as "enemies of the Cross".
And that is John Calvin, and he teaches his victims to be the same.
He has taught you to try to "persevere" while the NT teaches us that the finished work of Jesus on the Cross is our Salvation.
Its a GIFT.
"The GIFT of Salvation".
You dont work for or persevere to try to keep a GIFT.

Cain, in Genesis, took his WORKS to God... to try to prove his righteousness, and God told Cain..>"GET OUT" !!!
This is the "error of Cain" and that is John Calvin's deception that he teaches , and he ruins your faith in Christ, as that is His Ministry.

ABEL, came to God with the Blood of a sacrifice, and God said....."SON".

See that?

John Calvin has taught you to be CAIN.

Paul teaches us that we are REDEEMED ONLY by the BLOOD of God's Son., as this is GOD's Righteousness that is His GIFT to us.
"The GIFT of Righteousness".

John 14:6

 

[Ronald Nolette]

'Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with Him,
that the body of sin might be destroyed,
that henceforth we should not serve sin.
For he that is dead is freed from sin.'
(Romans 6:6-7)

Hello @Ronald Nolette,

I believe that you are misunderstanding the writer of the OP. For he is not advocating sinless perfection.

The believer in the Lord Jesus Christ has a 'standing' before God, His sins have been forgiven him, and he is now regarded as 'holy and without blame' (Ephesians 1:4) before the Father: not because of anything he has done, but because of the all-sufficient sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son on his behalf. He is accepted in the Beloved, and is complete in Him (Colossians 2:10). He has been given the spirit of sonship, whereby he can call God, 'Father', and has a glorious hope that cannot be taken from him (Romans 8:15). All of this is received by faith.

We are told to 'reckon' as God 'reckons' and reckon ourselves 'to be dead indeed unto sin but alive unto God' (Romans 6:11). That is all that @Behold is doing.

God reckons us to have died with Christ, been buried, quickened, raised and ascended with Christ, and to be seated with Him at His right hand. When He who is our life appears, then we, who are members of His Body, will appear there with Him (Colossians 3:4). We reckon on this by faith, for we walk by faith and not by sight (2 Corinthians 5:7), in the spirit (Romans 8:9).

Our flesh is made up of so many lbs in weight, is prone to sin, and will be with us until death (Romans 6): but we are no longer in the flesh but in the spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwells within us (Romans 8:9),

'All praise to the glory of His grace'

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hi Chris:

If the OP was talking about our position in
Christ (or stranding as you wrote) then I agree 100% God sees us as only perfect! sin is no longer seen for Jesus paid for all our sins and they are already judicially removed from us.