Romans 11:25 - Partially blinded

[CTK]

No, You have not proved that those who call themselves Jews, are still the Chosen people of God.
1 Peter 2:9-10 makes it crystal clear who the Chosen peoples of God are.

The Jews do not have a final mission as a nation. Some individuals, who are Christian's now, will join with their brethren; Jeramiah 50:4-5
Many Prophesies tell of the virtual demise of the Jewish State of Israel. God has given them 2000 years to repent and accept Jesus as Messiah.

Well, we are once again going to have to agree to disagree. I am not sure the one verse you referred to proves your case.....In any event, I will provide some of my thoughts for you to consider.

1 Peter 2:9-10 IS addressing Christians, not the Jewish people specifically. In this passage, Peter applies OT language, which was first used to describe Israel, to believers in Christ, emphasizing their new identity in Christ after the cross. The verses read:

1 Peter 2:9-10: "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy."

This language mirrors the descriptions given to the Israelites in passages like Exodus 19:5-6 and Hosea 1:9-10. Peter's use of these terms suggests that Christians—both Jews and Gentiles who follow Christ—are now seen as God's chosen people, a spiritual community set apart for His purposes. The reference to once being "not a people" but now being God's people speaks to their transformation through faith in Jesus, making it clear that Peter is addressing the Christian community as the new "holy nation."

Although the NT focuses on the inclusion of Gentiles into God's covenant through Christ, it does not negate the special relationship that God has with the Jewish people. Please consider the following:

1. Romans 11:1-2:

a)"I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew..."

b) In this passage, the apostle Paul emphasizes that God has not abandoned Israel (the Jewish people). Paul himself, being Jewish, underscores the continuing significance of Israel as God’s people, though some have rejected Jesus as the Messiah.

2. Romans 9:4-5:

a) "The people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen."

b) Paul highlights Israel’s unique place in God’s plan, recognizing their role as God’s chosen people through whom the Messiah (Jesus) came.

3. Matthew 2:6:

a) "...for out of you [Bethlehem] will come a ruler who will shepherd my people Israel.

b) "This is a prophecy from the OT quoted in Matthew, referring to Jesus' role as the ruler who will "shepherd" God’s people, Israel.

3. Luke 1:68:

a) "Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he has visited and redeemed his people."

b) In this verse, Zechariah, the father of John the Baptist, speaks of God’s fulfillment of His promises to the Jewish people, particularly the coming of the Messiah, who would redeem them.

4. Acts 13:17:

a) "The God of the people of Israel chose our ancestors; he made the people prosper during their stay in Egypt; with mighty power he led them out of that country."

b) Here, Paul speaks of Israel's history and how God chose them as His people, leading them out of Egypt with His power.

While the NT expands the concept of God’s people to include all who have faith in Christ (both Jews and Gentiles), it continues to affirm the historical and ongoing relationship between God and the Jewish people. And, as I have mentioned before, it will be the Jews and only the Jews responsibility to fulfill the 4th final and Great Jubilee Sabbaticl cycle. This is not an obligation or committment for the Christians. There are still 3.5 years remaining of this final GJ, and they, not Christians must complete their mission to bring in the return of their Messiah.

 

[CTK]

Where in "the New Testament" does it teach "that they are 'His people'"?

You are stuck in the OT. I hate to burst your bubble, but the old covenant is gone forever. The Old Testament was focused on a physical people, in a physical earthly land, fighting physical enemies, worshiping in a physical temple and natural earthly Jerusalem. The new covenant changed all that. We see a significant move:

• From the shadow and type to the substance and reality
• From the imperfect to the perfect
• From the inadequate to the all-sufficient.
• From the physical to the spiritual
• From the external to the internal
• From the natural to the supernatural
• From the temporary to the eternal
• From the earthly to the heavenly
• From the national to the international
• From the conditional to the unconditional

These two economies couldn’t be more diverse. The improvement is obvious, substantial and indisputable. The repercussions are even greater for mankind. What was long-anticipated by the old covenant prophets has now wonderfully arrived. The appearance of Israel’s Messiah was the pivotal moment in history and the catalyst for a colossal transformative change.

Mirroring the process that a caterpillar undergoes developing into the maturity and beauty of a colorful butterfly, the Old Testament Church underwent a significant metamorphic change in the New Testament, progressing into the current Spirit-filled international New Testament Church. The ekklesia essentially took on wings! That is not to say that we can separate the elect of God in either dispensation or view them as two different entities. Rather, we must view both as the same organic entity. The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod report gives a similar illustration: “The relationship between the two Testaments is similar to that of a bud and its full blossom” (The End Times - A Study on Eschatology and Millennialism).

Just because Old Testament Israel and the New Testament Church carry different names and possess a different outward appearance and scope of movement does not negate the fact they are the same overall entity.

Well, we are also going to have to agree to disagree. This sounds to me like "replacement theology." Let me ask you just one question and I will move on.... Did Jesus come to set up another religion called Chrisitanity?

 

[uncle silas]

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own [f]opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

There maybe a few different interpretations regarding the above verse in Romans. Personally, I do not feel I have a very good understanding of this verse and would like to learn what others believe it is telling us.

Examples only:

1) that God divinely prevented His people from recognizing their Messiah in order to bring His Word to the Gentiles,

2) that God divinely prevented His people from recognizing their Messiah but they would continue to worship Him (the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - but not Jesus),

3) that God gave them or allowed them to follow their heart / minds, etc., of not accepting Jesus... Sort of like He did for Pharoah...

4) that God divinely prevented them from recognizing their Messiah - but only up to the cross. After His resurrection, their eyes were no longer "blinded" and they could clearly see that Jesus, who was resurrected on the third day, and was visible to all, could not see / understand that Jesus was indeed their Messiah.

I am sure there are even more views or opinons that what is mentioned above... so I look forward to seeing them.

This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because THEY WILL ALL KNOW ME,
from the least of them to the greatest. Heb8@10&11



And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit[a] of grace and supplication. They will look on[b] me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. 11 On that day the weeping in Jerusalem will be as great as the weeping of Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12 The land will mourn, each clan by itself, with their wives by themselves: the clan of the house of David and their wives, the clan of the house of Nathan and their wives, 13 the clan of the house of Levi and their wives, the clan of Shimei and their wives, 14 and ALL THE REST of the clans and their wives. Zech12:10-14



A time is coming, according to the bible when all physical Israelites will know Christ, and God. And so all Israel will be saved. The Israelites chosen en masse anyway

 

[CTK]

Our Savior is also seen challenging the Jewish leaders of His day, in John 8:32, saying, “ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

To which they responded, “We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?” (v 33).

Jesus replied, “I know that ye are Abraham's seed (obviously speaking naturally); but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father” (vv 37-38).

The Jews then boasted, “Abraham is our father” (v39).

Christ responds to this misguided boast of these hypocrites, saying, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant [or slave] of sin. And the servant [or slave] abideth not in the house for ever: but the son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father” (John 8:34-38).

There is such a battle going on here between the natural and the spiritual. The unbelieving religious Jews are pushing their genetic pedigree here as proof of their connection to Abraham, whereas Christ is trying to show them a spiritual truth – showing them that Israel’s inheritance is not secured by native heritage but rather by spiritual means What Jesus was basically saying is: ‘you might be a physical descendent of Abraham and yet not qualify to be a son or a child of God. What then would your ethnic DNA matter?’ He is showing them that faith matters!

These religious Jews had no revelation of their own innate sin. They were depending upon their own self-righteousness. Little did they know it, but man’s only deliverer from sin was standing in their midst. Every man since Adam is born with original sin and therefore stands completely guilty before a righteous God. In the first Adam (the first nature) all are sinners and therefore destined to lost eternity. Jews and Gentiles approach God on the same grounds being collectively blighted with the same disfigurement – sin. They consequently require the same cure (the only medicine for this affliction) – the blood of Jesus. All men are on a level playing field when it comes to birth. All are equally required to submit to the exact same requirements – faith in Christ and repentance towards God.

Christ responded to the ignorance of the Jewish leaders: “If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it” (vv 39-44).

Our Savior hits these religious imposters clean between the eyes with marksman’s accuracy and sobering truth. Firstly, He informed them that they had no right to consider themselves as “Abraham's children.” He advanced: “If ye were Abraham's children” speaking in a spiritual sense, and “If God were your Father” also speaking spiritually, “ye would love me.” What He was telling them was: if you truly were Abraham’s children then your life and conduct would be like him and his. He was telling them that behavior reveals identity. He goes even further, He informs them that the evidence of them being true children of Abraham is demonstrated by them loving Him. This is the litmus test of who is a true child of Abraham and what it is to be part of God’s chosen people.

Secondly, He identifies their true father as Satan. This would have been explosive and offensive to these proud religiously Jewish leaders. Jesus demonstrated that favor with Him didn’t come through natural pedigree but rather spiritual pedigree. Those Jews who rejected God’s offer of salvation were not under blessing but under a curse. They were not in any way considered as God’s chosen people. They were children of the devil and they were heading to hell.

I have no disagreement with these comments.... they certainly are true. However, this does not prove anything that says that God has "done away" with His people and threw them to the curb, if you will.

They are subject to the same sinful human nature as any human born under the sun. But through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob's lineage, they were chosen to play a special part in the salvation of mankind. And I believe everyone would agree that absolutely no one on this earth could meet God's Holy standards that were placed upon them. They failed to obey Him and often turned to idolatry. They were divinely blinded from recognizing their Messiah and would pay a terrible price for over 2000 years. But because of their unbelief, the Gospel has gone out to the Gentiles and they can be saved. But God will indeed remove the blindness from their eyes after the time of the Gentiles ---

Why would He do that if He still did not have a final part for them to play in His plan of salvation. Certainly, no one is saved, Jew or Greek unless they accept Jesus, so why not just run the clock out for all until the end and then judge everyone? The Jews have just as much information to read, study in the NT as the Gentiles do.... they should not be treated any differently! But God does say that they He will come when they say, "blessed is He Blessed is He Who Comes in the Name of the Lord” · Matthew 23:37-39, Psalm 118:26, Ezekiel 36: 33-36, Zechariah 12:10.


John 12:37 - 40,
37 But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, 38that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke: “Lord, who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
39Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again: 40“He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts,
Lest they should see with their eyes, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.”

Romans 11: 25 - 27:
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own [f]opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be [g]saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”


Isaiah 35:5:
5Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened,
And the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.


Revelation 1:7 (ESV):
"Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen."

Revelation 11:3:
"And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth." (Although I have yet to study Revelation, I believe this verse might be directly tied to Romans 11. During this period, two witnesses (which, at this time, I interpret as representing the faithful believers, which will include a restored or spiritually awakened Israel) will preach and prophesy, calling people to repentance. Their ministry lasts for 1,260 days, or 3.5 years).

Well, that is enough for now.... I only ask that these verses and interpretations might be considered in your study.

 

[WPM]

Well, we are also going to have to agree to disagree. This sounds to me like "replacement theology." Let me ask you just one question and I will move on.... Did Jesus come to set up another religion called Chrisitanity?

No, He expanded true believing Judaism to embrace all nations. Now will you address my detailed post?

 

[WPM]

I have no disagreement with these comments.... they certainly are true. However, this does not prove anything that says that God has "done away" with His people and threw them to the curb, if you will.

They are subject to the same sinful human nature as any human born under the sun. But through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob's lineage, they were chosen to play a special part in the salvation of mankind. And I believe everyone would agree that absolutely no one on this earth could meet God's Holy standards that were placed upon them. They failed to obey Him and often turned to idolatry. They were divinely blinded from recognizing their Messiah and would pay a terrible price for over 2000 years. But because of their unbelief, the Gospel has gone out to the Gentiles and they can be saved. But God will indeed remove the blindness from their eyes after the time of the Gentiles ---

Why would He do that if He still did not have a final part for them to play in His plan of salvation. Certainly, no one is saved, Jew or Greek unless they accept Jesus, so why not just run the clock out for all until the end and then judge everyone? The Jews have just as much information to read, study in the NT as the Gentiles do.... they should not be treated any differently! But God does say that they He will come when they say, "blessed is He Blessed is He Who Comes in the Name of the Lord” · Matthew 23:37-39, Psalm 118:26, Ezekiel 36: 33-36, Zechariah 12:10.

The Israeli theocratic tree has been cursed forever. We are now under the new covenant where there is no racial preference. We will never go back to the old arrangement. It is time to leave the old covenant behind you.

Judaism today is apostate. It rejects Christ - man's only Savior and sacrifice for sin. The New Testament Church is true believing Israel today. We are the true Jews. We are the circumcision in God’s eyes. We are the chosen people. We are the children of Abraham.

If would care to take the time to read the NT, and let it speak for itself, you would quickly see that the NT Church is true Israel today. We are enjoined to believing Old Testament Israel through Jesus Christ. We have been made one. The wall of separation is gone forever. Israel has been expanded to embrace all nations today.

Natural designations mean nothing under the new covenant. The fact that the Holy Spirit spiritualizes all the natural old covenant Hebrew designations and relates them to the international Church of Jesus Christ speaks volumes. The fact is: we are the true children of Abraham, not ethnic Israel. We are the children of promise, not ethnic Israel. We are true Israeli citizens, not ethnic Israel. We are the circumcision, not ethnic Israel. We are the spiritual Jews, not ethnic Israel.

In His earthly ministry, and knowing what was coming, Christ asked the religious Jewish leaders, “Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder” (Matthew 21 42-44).

The kingdom has been taken from Israel as a nation and given to another nation. Who is that nation? It is the largely Gentile New Testament Church comprised of all believers (both Jew and Gentile).

The Church without any division is a distinct unitary nation. It is a holy nation. Natural ethnicity means nothing within it. Christians have their spiritual citizenship in heaven. There are no such thing as Christian nations today in the NT. That is your own invention. The problem with your theory is that you have a misconception of what the word "Christian" actually means. What you define as a "Christian" nation is far from it. Nations like the United States of America and United Kingdom possess governments, people and laws that are hostile to the truth of God.

1 Peter 2:9-10 , “ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light. Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.”

· A chosen generation
· A royal priesthood
· An holy nation
· A peculiar people
· Who have been called out of darkness into his marvelous light.

The word rendered generation in the King James Version here is the Greek word genos meaning kin (abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective). It comes up 21 times in the NT and this is the only occasion it is interpreted generation. It simply means kindred, kind, stock or offspring.

This reading refers in notable detail to the spiritual edifice – the Church of Jesus Christ. The Church being here described as a nation – “an holy nation” – which is under intimate divine control. This nation is not a physical nation, which can be observed with the natural eye but rather invisible and can only be seen through the spiritual eye. It is thus a spiritual nation that extends over every land boundary, ethnic group, colour and creed.

Peter takes this teaching, which was describing the Israel of God in the Old Testament, directly from Exodus 19, and applies it to the people of God in the New Testament. In doing so, he explains the continuity between the people of God in the Old Testament and the people of God in the New Testament.

Far from restricting the “chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people” description to the nation of Israel, Peter expands it out to embrace the many Gentile believers in this new covenant period. To support his reasoning, he employs Hosea 1:10 which predicted that enlightening of the Gentiles, and their integration into the people of God. This is demonstrated in verse 10, where he testifies that the mainly Gentile Church who were once “not a people, but are now the people of God” had now been integrated into the Israel of God. He reinforces this point, telling us that they “which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.”

Hosea 1:10 reads: “Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.”

Peter describes the Church as “a chosen generation” (or a chosen race), “a royal priesthood” and “an holy nation.” He related this to all believers, irrespective of natural race. This shows us the spiritual nature of the Israeli designation in the New Testament.

 

[WPM]

This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because THEY WILL ALL KNOW ME,
from the least of them to the greatest. Heb8@10&11



And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit[a] of grace and supplication. They will look on[b] me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. 11 On that day the weeping in Jerusalem will be as great as the weeping of Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12 The land will mourn, each clan by itself, with their wives by themselves: the clan of the house of David and their wives, the clan of the house of Nathan and their wives, 13 the clan of the house of Levi and their wives, the clan of Shimei and their wives, 14 and ALL THE REST of the clans and their wives. Zech12:10-14



A time is coming, according to the bible when all physical Israelites will know Christ, and God. And so all Israel will be saved. The Israelites chosen en masse anyway

That covenant was made 2000 years ago. All who have had eyes to see and ears to hear (both Jews and Gentiles) have entered it. All the rest (both Jews and Gentiles) are of their father the devil are in hell today.

 

[uncle silas]

That covenant was made 2000 years ago. All who have had eyes to see and ears to hear (both Jews and Gentiles) have entered it. All the rest (both Jews and Gentiles) are of their father the devil are in hell today.

Yes it was made two thousand years ago, but the bit I highlighted ties in perfectly with huge swathes of scripture

 

[WPM]

Yes it was made two thousand years ago, but the bit I highlighted ties in perfectly with huge swathes of scripture

What is your point? What is future?

 

[uncle silas]

What is your point? What is future?

Future is something that has not yet taken place

 

[WPM]

Future is something that has not yet taken place

What are you saying is in the future in regard to what you are claiming?

 

[uncle silas]

What are you saying is in the future in regard to what you are claiming?

Read the OT prophecies concerning future blessings for Israel. Ezekiel 36 is a good place to start. Then Zech12&8, then you will see where I am coming from

 

[WPM]

Read the OT prophecies concerning future blessings for Israel. Ezekiel 36 is a good place to start. Then Zech12&8, then you will see where I am coming from

They have been fulfilled. Are you able to exegete them?

 

[uncle silas]

They have been fulfilled. Are you able to exegete them?

When was the following fulfilled:
The days are coming,” declares the Lord,

“when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman
and the planter by the one treading grapes.
New wine will drip from the mountains
and flow from all the hills,
14 and I will bring my people Israel back from exile.[f]
“They will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them.
They will plant vineyards and drink their wine;
they will make gardens and eat their fruit.
15 I will plant Israel in their own land,
never again to be uprooted
from the land I have given them,”
says the Lord your God. Amos9:13-15

 

[WPM]

When was the following fulfilled:
The days are coming,” declares the Lord,

“when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman
and the planter by the one treading grapes.
New wine will drip from the mountains
and flow from all the hills,
14 and I will bring my people Israel back from exile.[f]
“They will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them.
They will plant vineyards and drink their wine;
they will make gardens and eat their fruit.
15 I will plant Israel in their own land,
never again to be uprooted
from the land I have given them,”
says the Lord your God. Amos9:13-15

God did that. The Messiah came to Israel. They nailed Him to a tree. True Israel accepted Him. We have been joined to them. That has been fulfilled.

 

[uncle silas]

God did that. The Messiah came to Israel. They nailed Him to a tree. True Israel accepted Him. We have been joined to them. That has been fulfilled.

Er, no, Israelites would be returned to their land, never again to be uprooted from it
When did the following take place:
This is what the Lord Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’”Zech8:23

 

[uncle silas]

They have been fulfilled. Are you able to exegete them?

Now the following can only refer to physical Israelites, when did this occur?

Again the word of the Lord came to me: 17 “Son of man, when the people of Israel were living in their own land, they defiled it by their conduct and their actions. Their conduct was like a woman’s monthly uncleanness in my sight. 18 So I poured out my wrath on them because they had shed blood in the land and because they had defiled it with their idols. 19 I dispersed them among the nations, and they were scattered through the countries; I judged them according to their conduct and their actions. 20 And wherever they went among the nations they profaned my holy name, for it was said of them, ‘These are the Lord’s people, and yet they had to leave his land.’ 21 I had concern for my holy name, which the people of Israel profaned among the nations where they had gone.

22 “Therefore say to the Israelites, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: It is not for your sake, people of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. 23 I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the Sovereign Lord, when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.

24 “‘For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. 25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. Ez36:16-27

 

[CTK]

No, He expanded true believing Judaism to embrace all nations. Now will you address my detailed post?

I think you missed the point in my earlier response to you in # 151 - I believe you have too much anger and arrogance for me to what to try and have an adult conversation / discussion with… I have mentioned more than once that, for the most part, I agree with those verses and your comments on elements within this topic, but it seems that you are not willing or able to consider there are also other verses that must go along with them that add to the interpretation without taking your interpretation down.

As I mentioned, there is neither Jew nor Greek… and that is where you stop!!! You do not allow for any further events or prophecies to continue passed this point.

I am sorry, but I think it is necessary that we do not communicate any further… best wishes.

 

[WPM]

I think you missed the point in my earlier response to you in # 151 - I believe you have too much anger and arrogance for me to what to try and have an adult conversation / discussion with… I have mentioned more than once that, for the most part, I agree with those verses and your comments on elements within this topic, but it seems that you are not willing or able to consider there are also other verses that must go along with them that add to the interpretation without taking your interpretation down.

As I mentioned, there is neither Jew nor Greek… and that is where you stop!!! You do not allow for any further events or prophecies to continue passed this point.

I am sorry, but I think it is necessary that we do not communicate any further… best wishes.

Calm down and take time out.

The old adage is true: when you cannot attack the message, you attack the messenger.

 

[CTK]

Calm down and take time out.

The old adage is true: when you cannot attack the message, you attack the messenger.

That is quite true. Yet you end your brief comment inferring that it is I who has "attacked the messager." That is not my style... but I do wish you the best....l