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I have seen many a thread asking why a loving God would allow suffering or something to that effect.

I don't know if this perspective has been offered, but I am not afraid to approach this and say what I think is really going on. God does love everyone, but it isn't what one may think. It isn't the kind of love where Superman is going to swoop in and save the day just in the nick of time, though sometimes it is. It depends on the situation and/or what God's plans are.

Most of the time, I would say God is fine with letting the cards fall as they may with little to no intervention because the universe self-regulates itself with physics. Everything automatically happens the way it's supposed to regardless of whether or not there is human suffering in the process. It's just that God isn't going to compromise this system or apparently intervene most of the time. It isn't that God doesn't care, but like I said it isn't what one may think. He is going to hope the best for you, but ultimately allow the processes to take over even if it hurts.

This may seem like a disconnect between the kind of love we expected God to have, but it's because people often over estimate the value of themselves in the big scheme of things; the ego is good at this. We may feel disenfranchised when reality doesn't match our expectations. Nothing is broken, God isn't oblivious, it's just that this is how things are and it's okay with God that people get hurt, sick, and die because these things have to happen in a material universe. Everything eventually breaks down and all living things eventually die while new ones are born. Life, death, and everything in between is part of a cycle that all creatures are susceptible to and that's just how things are. We just need to let reality determine how we understand God and this is a Biblically valid method to understand God according to Romans 1:20.

Now, I am sure there are going to be people who have lived charmed lives and never really had to think about any of this. There are always exceptions to everything. However, I did want to end this OP on a hopeful note and it's that God can answer prayers and can be moved to intervene when the conditions are right. In my experience, being genuine with God has gotten me far. For examples, if you don't love God, don't put up a story about how you do because you think you'll tell Him what He wanted to hear and you'll get your way. No. Actually, God knows when someone is lying. Just come to God as you are, whatever you are, whoever you are, and let Him know how things are, but be respectful, and honest. I pray the peace that comes from God will touch everyone who reaches out to Him.
 
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Nothing is broken, God isn't oblivious, it's just that this is how things are and it's okay with God that people get hurt, sick, and die because these things have to happen in a material universe. Everything eventually breaks down and all living things eventually die while new ones are born. Life, death, and everything in between is part of a cycle that all creatures are susceptible to and that's just how things are.

I wouldn't say that God is okay with it. It's apparent that the world\universe are broken. Death, sickness, and suffering were never part of God's design; they were introduced at the fall, both Satan's and Adam's. We are simply living with the consequences of their free-willed decision to rebel against God. It's cause and effect in action. We are promised a restoration to all things, but it's a long, drawn-out process.
 

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I have seen many a thread asking why a loving God would allow suffering or something to that effect.

I don't know if this perspective has been offered, but I am not afraid to approach this and say what I think is really going on. God does love everyone, but it isn't what one may think. It isn't the kind of love where Superman is going to swoop in and save the day just in the nick of time, though sometimes it is. It depends on the situation and/or what God's plans are.

Most of the time, I would say God is fine with letting the cards fall as they may with little to no intervention because the universe self-regulates itself with physics. Everything automatically happens the way it's supposed to regardless of whether or not there is human suffering in the process. It's just that God isn't going to compromise this system or apparently intervene most of the time. It isn't that God doesn't care, but like I said it isn't what one may think. He is going to hope the best for you, but ultimately allow the processes to take over even if it hurts.

This may seem like a disconnect between the kind of love we expected God to have, but it's because people often over estimate the value of themselves in the big scheme of things; the ego is good at this. We may feel disenfranchised when reality doesn't match our expectations. Nothing is broken, God isn't oblivious, it's just that this is how things are and it's okay with God that people get hurt, sick, and die because these things have to happen in a material universe. Everything eventually breaks down and all living things eventually die while new ones are born. Life, death, and everything in between is part of a cycle that all creatures are susceptible to and that's just how things are. We just need to let reality determine how we understand God and this is a Biblically valid method to understand God according to Romans 1:20.

Now, I am sure there are going to be people who have lived charmed lives and never really had to think about any of this. There are always exceptions to everything. However, I did want to end this OP on a hopeful note and it's that God can answer prayers and can be moved to intervene when the conditions are right. In my experience, being genuine with God has gotten me far. For examples, if you don't love God, don't put up a story about how you do because you think you'll tell Him what He wanted to hear and you'll get your way. No. Actually, God knows when someone is lying. Just come to God as you are, whatever you are, whoever you are, and let Him know how things are, but be respectful, and honest. I pray the peace that comes from God will touch everyone who reaches out to Him.
Proverbs 19:21
Many are the plans in a person’s heart, but it is the Lord’s purpose that prevails.
 

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God does love everyone,
Says who?

Romans 9:11-13
11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger."
13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated."
 

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Now, I am sure there are going to be people who have lived charmed lives and never really had to think about any of this. There are always exceptions to everything. However, I did want to end this OP on a hopeful note and it's that God can answer prayers and can be moved to intervene when the conditions are right. In my experience, being genuine with God has gotten me far.
There is more to it . . .

Romans 8:28-31 KJV
28) And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31) What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

God is controlling events personally regarding all who are His.

Much love!
 

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If we view God independent of Jesus men will and do come up with all sorts of theories.
Jesus is the clearest revelation of the nature of God. Jesus is also the exposer of Satan as the one who instigates calamity.
We can deduct from this that all things good come down from the Father of lights while all thing evil come from the thief whose objective is to steal, kill and destroy.
These two influences are constantly acting on us for allegiance and we reflect the character of the one whose influence captures our imagination.
 

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Says who?

Romans 9:11-13
11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger."
13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated."
God ? you reap what you sow !

So if it's not worthy of God, end of story ! stiff cookies. The wake up call is coming. So you better get on bord ? For the Kingdom of God is the workings of God ! outside of that is this world, that is full of delusions and deceptions in fact.

So if we are not worthy of Christ Jesus and the Kingdom of God ? well then you will reap that is full of delusions and deceptions.

So when Wars come, who created such ? it's of this world ! be sure that such was all set up ! because this world is full of deceptions and delusions in fact ! so the Hellfire came ?

Who wins in Wars ? not you the people that's for sure ! you have been sowen up ! by who ?
Each side thinks it's the other sides fault and that it's the people of that Nation who are at fault ? but is that correct ? will one of this world bother to seek what truly went down ? No ! why is that ! because they are of this world in fact. it's all one sided nonsense, for they do not have Grace to bother to see the detail.

If both sides get together down the track and say lets work this all out regarding what went on, with a fine tooth comb without prejudice or pride, the workings of the Devil may come to light ! all who are of this world are of Satan in fact ! for they abide in such, because they are lost in fact ? not all are totaly devoid of being totaly demonic people tho. but some are totaly demonic !

Some peddle that all people are born totaly corrupt ? well that is not true at all, for if such was true, then Christ Jesus came invane. for their is a window, a Door to Christ Jesus in fact ! That's why you must truly be born again in fact. Grace abounds in such a one, who can see the shadows and darkness more clearly, for they are of the Light ! and can expose the darkness in fact. for they have grown up and matured to deal with such.

When Jesus was talking to the Devil, remember that ? and Jesus dismissed the workings of the Devil ? see in that that the Devil had no power at all over Jesus ! why is that, well Jesus knew what the Devil truly was, only just a tempter ?
Worthy Christians are not lead into temptation. for ? :Zek: we have an Awesome God ! The Power and the Glory ! for ever and ever, Amen !
This is how one is delivered from Evil ?
 

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Says who?

Romans 9:11-13
11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger."
13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated."
Hate can, but does not necessarily exclude or contradict love. Love and hate are not opposites. To hate is to make one an enemy. Does God not love even His enemies?
 

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I wouldn't say that God is okay with it. It's apparent that the world\universe are broken. Death, sickness, and suffering were never part of God's design; they were introduced at the fall, both Satan's and Adam's. We are simply living with the consequences of their free-willed decision to rebel against God. It's cause and effect in action. We are promised a restoration to all things, but it's a long, drawn-out process.
I would offer you that it's more nuanced than that. According to Genesis, their sin did not have a direct effect on creation, but according to what is written it was God who initiated the curse that applied specifically to Adam, Eve, and the Earth. Nothing about this effecting the entire universe.
 

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Says who?

Romans 9:11-13
11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger."
13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated."
John 3:16
 

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Hate can, but does not necessarily exclude or contradict love. Love and hate are not opposites. To hate is to make one an enemy. Does God not love even His enemies?
You mean those who will burn in Hell "forever and ever"?

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
 
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I think the problem is because people don't understand the definition of love and hate and don't understand who God is.

Read scripture and ask God to reveal truth to you by the Holy Spirit.

to know Him is to love Him, to praise Him, to respect Him, to follow Him and to trust Him- good or bad- He has a purpose and is in control. There is no greater Peace than that.
 

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Everyone will learn, now or in Hell.

Psalm 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;
 

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There is more to it . . .

Romans 8:28-31 KJV
28) And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31) What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

God is controlling events personally regarding all who are His.

Much love!
Agree
 

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Says who?

Romans 9:11-13
11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger."
13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated."

Hate is not the opposite of Love.

“Love” is an endurance that is Constant.
“In Love” can come and go.
“Like” is “favored similitudes”
“Hate” is a strong “dislike”.
“Strong dislike” is “when similitudes are void”.

Esau’s behavior was not “Like” Gods.

“Like” God, is to “serve” another FOR the “others benefit”.

“Unlike God, is to “serve” another FOR “ones own benefit”.

Glory to God,
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Rethinking God

Tribulations have, do, will OCCUR in THIS World…
It is evidenced, In ancient history, modern history, in Every ERA man exists…
…….CAUSED BY Men AGAINST Men!

A man “with” God….”IS One thing”.
God “with” a man….”IS the SAME thing.”
….Blessings, Holy Angel guidances, (gut feeling, that little voice, whatever you want to call it), to avoid something (a mishap) unknown, to prepare for something (a chaos) unknown, AND God WITH YOU…to COMFORT YOU THROUGH the UNKNOWN situation.)

A man “with-IN” Christ….”IS One thing”
The Christ “with-IN” a man…”IS the same thing”
….THE SAME…receives Blessing, Holy Angel guidances…COMFORT from God THROUGH an UNKNOWN situation.

DIFFERENCE….
A man “IN-Christ” (soul) is ALREADY SAVED, and should that man DIE during the Unknown situation…His Saved Departed Living soul SHALL be Directly Escorted (by Angels) to Heaven, to Christ the Lord, who SAVED his soul.

Should a man “with” God…during the “unknown” situation….Lean on God FOR COMFORT…Continue “WITH” God…and suffer DEATH…He shall be Soul Saved at THAT TIME….and his saved departed living soul be escorted to Heaven, to Christ the Lord, who SAVED his soul.
^^ That man ENDURED to the end of his life.

HOWEVER….
** Should a man “with” God…be in such an “unknown situation”….AND NOT lean on Gods Comfort….
AND RATHER….begin doubting God, cursing God, denying God….AND DIE…
That mans soul…SHALL NOT BE SAVED…
That mans “unsaved” living soul shall Depart his dead body and go to hell to wait judgement

…. That man did NOT endure to the end of his life.

God did NOT promise THIS world would be “without” tribulations.
God IN FACT notified us THIS would “would be with” tribulations.

God DID promise He would be “WITH” any man who is “WITH” Him…TO COMFORT any such man……During ANY tribulation in THIS world.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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Does God love those He will burn in Hell FOREVER?

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.