Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I dont keep any sabbath or any sunday, what are you on about...

I'm 'on about' what the Scripture-Word as well as the Jesus Christ Word of God say about "the day The Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD GOD." I am not 'on about' what or whether you don't keep or keep or whatever.

 

[mjrhealth]

I'm 'on about' what the Scripture-Word as well as the Jesus Christ Word of God say about "the day The Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD GOD." I am not 'on about' what or whether you don't keep or keep whatever.

I honestly have no idea what you are on about.

The Sabbath was made for man as a day of rest, not man for the sabbath, to become a slave to it. And just as God rested from His own works those who are in Christ are resting from theres, while men run around doing there own works.

 

[gadar perets]

Whether it is a camel or a rope that must go through the needle's hole it's the same impossibility. But no, it is no impossibility here. It is as plain in English as in any language, "the subpoena against..." / "the warrant for our arrest..." / "the handwritten legal (one) document with its (numerous) stipulations / ordinances / accusations against us", whichever, even 'the certificate of debt resulting in our death sentence' it's all the same its' all one thing, the Law! God's Law - God's Written Law-of-Word; but MORE, ultimately and in the last analysis and in truth and in reality it was God's LIVING WORD JESUS CHRIST THE CRUCIFIED THE RAISED FROM THE DEAD! The Giant Able to Pass Through the Needle's Gate and break the bondage of sin and death and grave who "in it Triumphed!" "Triumphed over ALL powers and or authorities and or principalities" of angels and or devils and or men and or popes and holy seas, and or Scripture fraudsters.

You are reading the Law into the text. The "certificate of debt" results from breaking the Law. It is NOT the Law itself.

 

[gadar perets]

Be that as it may, SDA say exactly what you are arguing. And I'm not very sure, but almost dead sure they coined the arguments and catch-phrases which you are using like 'the certificate of debt resulting in our death sentence', the late Professor Samuele Bacchiocchi having been the SDAs ablest proponent of such escape techniques.
No one can get away from it, it is the Ten Commandments with its Fourth Commandment meant and included in Colossians 2:14, you can tell me what you want.

Faith establishes the Law. It does not abolish it by nailing it to a tree and taking it away. (Romans 3:31).

 

[gadar perets]

Exo_31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

I dont see you putting asnyope to death, it is after all a "commandment".

The death penalty existed as long as Israel was a theocracy. YHWH will take vengeance on sinners in His timing (Hebrews 10:30-31).

 

[gadar perets]

MJs have their salvation based on the soteriological fallacy of their idea that there is an 'evening before the sun sets' seen in the Old Testament, NO ONE denies, but which is not from the Greek word or phrase using the Greek word 'heh opsia' in the New Testament. NEVER!

And do not think I cannot see the innuendo Christians do not become saved, but if you believe MJ, you do. Thanks.

I made no such innuendo.

 

[gadar perets]

I did not 'direct' you to the NIV. I proposed you compare it with the KJV "and see the difference" I think my words were.
What you did write, 'evening' according to you 'evening before sunset', 'come' - Present Participle, is the identical time of daylight before sunset which the NIV implies with 'evening approached'. You are not able to now all of a sudden call the NIV 'erroneous'; the NIV attaches the correct meaning of the word "evening" to it. You don't; now you're trying to save face for your blunder, your Present Participle, but you only get more and more egg on it.

You exact words were, "But I can understand why you believe what you believe. I also believed so until the TRANSLATORS themselves exposed their fraud to me. Yes, it was not I who was so intelligent, it was they who thought they are so intelligent. But they misreckoned people's ATTENTIVENESS and AWARENESS. I refer you to Mark 15:42. Please read the KJV, then NIV, and you will see what I mean." I took that to mean you were coming against the KJV in support of the NIV. Your words were not clear. So we agree that the KJV rendering is correct. Good.

 

[gadar perets]

Did I miss something.

Col_2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Remembering that was to the Israelits not the gentiles who had no such ordinances

This was written to believers. The "cheirographon" was against us because it was the certificate of our sin indebtedness. The Law cannot be against us. It merely points out sin when it is broken. It is our TRANSGRESSIONS of the Law that was against us.

Could also add this

Rom 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

So even the Jews who choose Christ, are no longer under any laws. men just choose them to prove themselves.

Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

We are no longer under the condemnation of the law, but we are required to obey the law. If we don't, we sin. Faith establishes the Law (Romans 3:31).

 

[gadar perets]

GE:
But suppose it's 'late afternoon'. What hour is 'late afternoon'? Any hour from NOON! So when was the burial according to the Catholics and you FINISHED? BY 'late afternoon' on the very day that Jesus died "the ninth hour", 2 to 3 hours after 'late afternoon'.


You at first said that would be 'the afternoon' at 'late afternoon'. Now you say 'before the sun set beginning the 15th' framing your words to actually say 'evening before the sun set the 15th beginning' at the same time 'the afternoon' at 'late afternoon'.
Whichever way you twist words or their meanings, you say Joseph had closed Jesus' grave before or at least simultaneous with the hour of daylight that He died.
In other words, Joseph closed Jesus' grave in no time or quicker than in no time; according to you.

And you think you can sell your product? Who do you think is going to buy it?

Please stop twisting my words. Afternoon, late afternoon and before the sun set all refer to any time between noon and sundown. You asked when the burial was. My answer is before the sun set beginning the 15th. Do you agree?

 

[gadar perets]

Yes, except That Night because it was the last ever Passover of Yahweh and Jesus was Our Passover Lamb of God sacrificed the day before That Night.
Anyway, yes! But tell us, Did Joseph and Nicodemus eat or would they have eaten after they buried Jesus' body? Tell me just that, please! Or do all four Gospels record they buried Him, LONG, AFTER they had eaten (or normally would have eaten)!

HOW DO YOU WANT TO DENY THESE FACTS?

Joseph and Nicodemus would have eaten the Passover lamb after they buried him and after the sun set beginning the 15th.

 

[gadar perets]

That is what you say. But the parallel Gospel texts are Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 John 19:31,38 Luke 23:50 all saying and implying
"Since / Because
after had started the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath
(Friday at Thursday night after sunset),
after having been evening already..." and
after "At That First Night" of ulb, and
"AFTER these things ... the Jews had asked Pilate" for, "Joseph came", and
after Joseph had negotiated for the body,
"there also came to him Nicodemus bringing spices..."
And so only BEGAN they to "prepare the body ... according to the custom of the Jews to bury".
But you tell us this and much more until the grave was closed was done by 'late afternoon ... before sunset evening'... come on now...

You are so unclear in your teaching. Are you saying he was buried after the 15th began?

 

[gadar perets]

In John 19, after 31-38, in verse 39a before 39b-42. Consult Nestle Aland. KJV contains a perversion, the word, 'Jesus'.

None of the versions that are based on the Nestle-Aland text translate John 19:39 as "at that first night". Please direct me to an English translation that uses that phrase. While they may not use the "Jesus", they still use "Him". For example, the NASB reads, "Nicodemus, who had first come to Him by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds weight." This is referring to Nicodemus' first visit with Yeshua by night in John 3.

 

[gadar perets]

Incorrect. The crucified according to Deuteronomy 21:22-23 and Joshua 8:29; 10:26,27 had to remain hung "not all night", but had to be removed "before sunrise"[*] and be buried the same day after sunrise.
Refer file:///C:/Users/Gerhard/Documents/Lord's%20Day/html/Taken%20Down%20Before%20Sunrise.htm

Deu 21:22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:
Deu 21:23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree [the night following his death], but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day [the same day he died]; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which YHWH thy God gives thee for an inheritance. [Brackets mine]
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Had they buried him after the sun set, then a new day would have begun.

 

[gadar perets]

There is no conflict here with Me, I have been keeping the Sabbath for over 16 years, research the Scriptures about the death, burial, and Resurrection, in reverse. From the time that they come to the tomb after the weakly sabbath, then after they buy the Spices to Anoint His Body, After the High Sabbath of unleavened Bread which accrued after placing Him in the tomb, and the to the tree that they Impaled Him on, and last but not least, His Arrest on the Evening of the 14th of Aviv, or Nisson!!!!

I agree with this part of your post.

 

[gadar perets]

GE:
Suppose it's 'late afternoon'. Then when did everybody LEAVE the cross and in panic fled the sight? And when did they come back? And everybody came back who was there at the Crucifixion and saw the burial et cetera?

Only Luke 23:49 in so many words says everybody left the cross and in panic fled the sight of it and "returned to home"; but Mark and Matthew imply the same by the retrospective paraphrase that there were many women including those who came with Jesus from Galilea. In John 16:32, Jesus before it happened, prophesied, "Ye shall be scattered, everyone to his own (hiding place) and shall LEAVE ME ALONE!"

Luke 23:49 took place after 3:00 on Abib 14, the same day Yeshua died.

 

[gadar perets]

I dont keep any sabbath or any sunday, what are you on about...

Too bad for you. You lose out on one of our Creator's greatest blessings.

 

[Triumph1300]

Too bad for you. You lose out on one of our Creator's greatest blessings.

That's it ??

 

[gadar perets]

That's it ??

There is no telling what a Sabbath breaker will lose come judgment day, but I don't think salvation will be lost.

 

[Truth]

So you have 'researched the Scriptures about the death, burial, and Resurrection, in reverse.'

Let's see...
the Scripture about...
~From the time that they come to the tomb after the weakly sabbath~, about 'they'; the Scripture which says who are 'they' who 'come'?

Let's see...
the Scripture about...
~then after they buy the Spices to Anoint His Body~, about 'buy'; the Scripture which says 'buy'; the Scripture which says who are 'they' who 'buy'?

Let's see...
the Scripture about...
~then after they buy the Spices to Anoint His Body~, about 'the Spices'; the Scripture which says 'spices'?

Let's see...
the Scripture about...
~From the time that they come to the tomb after the weakly sabbath then after they buy the Spices to Anoint His Body~, the Scripture which says 'they come to the tomb after the weakly sabbath'?

Let's see...
the Scripture about...
~they buy the Spices to Anoint His Body, After the High Sabbath of unleavened Bread which accrued after placing Him in the tomb~, the Scripture which says 'they buy Spices... (a)fter the High Sabbath of unleavened Bread'?

Let's see...
the Scripture about...
~the High Sabbath of unleavened Bread which accrued after placing Him in the tomb~, the Scripture which says 'the High Sabbath... accrued after placing Him in the tomb'?

Let's see...
the Scripture about...
~After the High Sabbath ... and to the tree that they Impaled Him on~, the Scripture which says 'that they Impaled Him ... (a)fter the High Sabbath' which 'accrued after placing Him in the tomb'?
Alright, you don't have to answer this one it's too obvious an accident.

Let's see...
the Scripture about...
~His Arrest on the Evening of the 14th of Aviv, or Nisson!!!!~, the Scripture which says 'His Arrest' was 'on the Evening of the 14th of Aviv'?

Let's see...
the Scripture about...
~Our savior was Placed in the Tomb Before Sundown, On a Wednesday~, the Scripture which says, 'On a Wednesday'?

Let's see...
the Scripture about...
~Our savior was Placed in the Tomb Before Sundown, On a Wednesday, Sundown to Sundown~, the Scripture which says, 'in the Tomb Sundown to Sundown'?

Let's see...
the Scripture about...
~was Raised on the Sabbath, and presented the First Fruit's on the First day of the Week~, the Scripture which says, 'First Fruit's on the First day of the Week'?

Well, let me ask you this, do you have an understanding of the Hebrew Culture, at the time of Our Savior's Ministry? do you have an understanding about the Calendar established By God, which the Hebrew's were still following at that time of His Crucifixion! I am convinced that Our Savior was Raised Just before the end of the weekly Sabbath, and when He arose they arose, and He Presented them before the Father, on the First Day of the Week. They? At the Cross when our Savior gave up His Spirit, John's account declares, that the earth Quaked, the Rock was Rent- cracked, and the Graves were opened, What Graves? the Graves of the First Fruit Resurrection, He Arose, then they arose. Remember when Mary ask the Gardener, what have you done with the body of my Lord, and He answered! Mary then she fell at His Feet, and He Said! do not touch Me for I have not yet Ascended to My Father! It will be 10 day's before the Day of Pentecost that He ascend's!! No He Ascended to the Father to present the First Fruit Saint's the His Father, which would be a Sunday, First fruit's always accrues on the marrow, after the weekly Sabbath.

 

[gadar perets]

Well, let me ask you this, do you have an understanding of the Hebrew Culture, at the time of Our Savior's Ministry? do you have an understanding about the Calendar established By God, which the Hebrew's were still following at that time of His Crucifixion! I am convinced that Our Savior was Raised Just before the end of the weekly Sabbath, and when He arose they arose, and He Presented them before the Father, on the First Day of the Week. They? At the Cross when our Savior gave up His Spirit, John's account declares, that the earth Quaked, the Rock was Rent- cracked, and the Graves were opened, What Graves? the Graves of the First Fruit Resurrection, He Arose, then they arose. Remember when Mary ask the Gardener, what have you done with the body of my Lord, and He answered! Mary then she fell at His Feet, and He Said! do not touch Me for I have not yet Ascended to My Father! It will be 10 day's before the Day of Pentecost that He ascend's!! No He Ascended to the Father to present the First Fruit Saint's the His Father, which would be a Sunday, First fruit's always accrues on the marrow, after the weekly Sabbath.

You seem to be confusing the "saints" of Matthew 27:52 with NT saints. The firstfruits of the resurrection are NT saints represented by wheat (Leviticus 23:15-17). The "saints" of Matthew 27:52 were OT saints represented by the firstfruits of the barley harvest as was Yeshua (Leviticus 23:10). When Yeshua resurrected, there were no saints in the ground that were "in Messiah" and needed resurrecting.