Regeneration before or after saving faith
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SovereignGrace
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Preacher4Truth
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She wants everyone to answer her, but dodges answering others about her false created Jesus the brother of satan.
One verse with no context? Lame.
35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; ywhoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe...
Whoever.
I think that is a slur on GOD.
He had every right to think Adam would ensure Eve knew the penalty of eating the forbidden fruit.
Eve on the contrary may have been so young that she had not seen anything die.
Satan the serpent was the real cuplrit and one day he will pay for it.
Chances are Willis is chosen to go splat, too. Unless Jesus really did die once for all.
SovereignGrace
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Suuuuuuuuuuure!. All the Father gives Him WILL come to Him, and He will not cast them aside.
God is all knowing & all powerful. God knew what would happen.
Satan doesn't spring any surprises on God. God didn't go "oh shoot- got to come up with plan B now...". Rather, everything is His design.
Yes. ASSUMED.
I'm a Christian and I assume that if I believe Jesus is the son of GOD I am saved.
Obviously a lot of people on these forums hate that idea.
Your hatred of me blinds you.
If you so believed I am doomed, by your own theology, you only have God to blame: after all he created me to "splat". I have no choice.
Preacher4Truth
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You want the entire context? Yes, it says whoever, but that does not denote ability, or that it is done by one's exertion, will, ability &c.
Keep reading:
35Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
Now, go read John 6:44.
My point is that those in John 6:37 have all that salvation entails: Drawing, coming, never losing salvation, ever cast out.
But I get it. You are really angry right now because in the past where you snip out where I've refuted you I called you on it. You absolutely will not face yourself or your errors in the fact you did something to make yourself saveable to get rewarded with salvation. :)
SovereignGrace
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Hebrews 10:10ff is referring to the Christ’s priesthood. Verse 11 speaks of how the priest offered sacrifices for the OT Jews. They did not offer sacrifices for any other ppl. They had to daily sacrifice, there was no place to quit. And the Christ did the work and sat down because “it is finished”. Seeing the high priest in the OT didn’t intercede for everyone, and they typified the Christ, the Christ only intercedes for God’s ppl, the elect.
Preacher4Truth
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Nope. God never assumed they would keep his commandments. :)
He knew the opposite to be true. Hence this is why his Son was slain before the foundation of the world; Ephesians 1.
SovereignGrace
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Job was throttled by Satan, and he said ”Shall we indeed accept good from God and not accept adversity?” God was the one who asked Satan had he considered Job. God ordained this to happen. Yet, Through all this Job did not sin nor did he blame God. You’re blaming God for your sins. I blame me for mine.
Preacher4Truth
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@Jane_Doe22
I thought you were never talking to me again?
I see you going around in threads demanding answers, telling some they are dodging, brushing aside your questions. Right?
That's pretty ironic, isn't it? Hmmm...
Are you ready to answer direct questions now?
I want to remind you of John 8:24.
I thought you were never talking to me again?
I see you going around in threads demanding answers, telling some they are dodging, brushing aside your questions. Right?
That's pretty ironic, isn't it? Hmmm...
Are you ready to answer direct questions now?
I want to remind you of John 8:24.
SovereignGrace
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Uh, yeah and who does the father give him? Duh, whosoever believes.
Preacher4Truth
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I don't have the least bit of hate for you. I actually love you and care about you.
If you are doomed, it is your fault not God's. He is not obligated to save every single person.
He has commanded men to repent and believe the Gospel. All of his elect will do so. You must do this, believing in the one true uncreated Christ who is YHWH of the OT. John 8:24.
@SovereignGrace , I apologize if I offended you in any way. My questions were/are genuine, as if my desire to better understand what you believe (even if I passionately disagree with it). Asking about the God creating the people to go splat honestly how I'm understanding Calvinism and hence why I'm asking.
As to my belief: I'm not a Calvinist. I do believe that I have a choice, and when I choose to sin, that's on me. When a wicked person chooses, to reject God, that's on them, no God. I believe that God created this world and loves every person, and gives every single one of them a parachute named Jesus Christ. They just have to accept Him, and salvation is free.
A person whom does not have sovereignty can have no blame. Under Calvinism, I don't have any sovereignty, only God does so only God can have blame or credit.
As to my belief: I'm not a Calvinist. I do believe that I have a choice, and when I choose to sin, that's on me. When a wicked person chooses, to reject God, that's on them, no God. I believe that God created this world and loves every person, and gives every single one of them a parachute named Jesus Christ. They just have to accept Him, and salvation is free.
I'm not angry. And you are delusional if you think you refuted anything.
And that passage doesn't say anything about irresistible salvation. In every case the initial salvation and continued salvation is dependent on belief. You have to assume God's will is always done to see it your way. It's not, as Jesus confirms in the Lord's prayer.
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