Regarding an important issue in a thread brought to the top of our Current Events Forum list

[Raccoon1010]

Just in case anyone reads the following post #28 & #29 from the thread: Sidney incident

One member states:

"If you had read my post above, you would have known that the man was suffering from mental health related issues. The Police had stated that he was not a terrorist."

And another member replies with the response:

"Actually, the police said there is yet no evidence that links him to any ideology. Terrorist is by definition an apt description for what transpired. Terrorists are also by definition mentally ill."

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Let's be clear about the differences between "mental illness" and acts of terror against persons. Christians should "NOT" tolerate discrimination against the less fortunate children and adults that are suffering from a mental illness. They are already suffering enough then to add further suffering against them. I'm not sure what the motivation is when members and other media make dangerous claims against mentally ill. Connecting mental illness together with violent acts and terrorism can promote hate crimes against the mentally ill. The act of associating mental illness and acts of terror or violence is a form of hate speech.

An educated person would have done research on the matter to derive conclusions related to what News often reports together. Apparently the News has been reporting any matters related to mental illness when I violent crime is committed in some areas of the news. That does not reflect the percentage of violent acts that are associated with some mental illness reporting. And I'm not sure why they are perpetuating that danger against innocent mentally ill persons.

Allow me to expose some more evidence on the matter:

"The public perception of psychiatric patients as dangerous individuals is often rooted in the portrayal of criminals in the media as “crazy” individuals. A large body of data suggests otherwise. People with mental illness are more likely to be a victim of violent crime than the perpetrator." Psychiatric Illness and Criminality - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

"Studies have repeatedly shown that the majority of individuals with mental illness are not violent and that the majority of violent acts are not committed by those with mental illness. Further, research indicates only 3% to 5% of violent acts can be attributed to persons with SMI." ICJIA | Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority

There are people that harm others and we see evidence of that in the news and perhaps even in our own lives. To assess if a person is mentally ill requires a licensed doctor in psychiatry. A person would have to get a psychiatrist's professional statement on whether violent crimes are evidence of a state of mental illness associated with a specific crime.

 

[Raccoon1010]

First I don't believe in the practices of modern psychology as I am directed by God to a more healthy state as a child of God that he created.

There are people that harm others and we see evidence of that in the news and perhaps even in our own lives. To assess if a person is mentally ill requires a licensed doctor in psychiatry. A person would have to get a psychiatrist's professional statement on whether violent crimes are evidence of a state of mental illness associated with a specific crime.

In order to understand if a certain crime was the result of a "mental illness" they would have to differentiate between conditioning from influences in a person's life that can affect a person's mind or heart and beliefs and also physical conditions in the brain that require medication from a licensed doctor. There is a term psychologists use for depression called situational depression that they say can be resolved if the situation that is creating the depression is resolved. As for as clinical depression that is described as a problem with the physical function of the brain that requires medication to alleviate the induced depression from the brain's physical dysfunction.

I'm of the belief that God can, if he desires, heal a person of those problems. But God may not heal a person and then they can seek a licensed doctor's advice.

Regarding the conditioning that may appear to be a mental illness that can be resolved by alleviating that conditioning, that may play a role in other peoples portions of a crime that is committed. At least that is the moral and ethical understanding I have. Will the criminal accept full responsibility for their actions? That perhaps is a subject of discussion and debate.

I am not retracting the original post statements I made regarding incorrectly linking mental illness with crimes. I will repeat the information regarding that statement:

"The public perception of psychiatric patients as dangerous individuals is often rooted in the portrayal of criminals in the media as “crazy” individuals. A large body of data suggests otherwise. People with mental illness are more likely to be a victim of violent crime than the perpetrator." Psychiatric Illness and Criminality - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

 

[Jack]

First I don't believe in the practices of modern psychology as I am directed by God to a more healthy state as a child of God that he created.

I strongly suspect that most psychiatrists are in dire need of sanity and Jesus.

 

[Raccoon1010]

I strongly suspect that most psychiatrists are in dire need of sanity and Jesus.

God is the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost and they are needed for Christians. Psychiatry is a strange thing Jack. I tried ~8 different psych meds for my schizophrenia and only 1 didn't make it worse. God had to recover me from 25 years of psychology as the counselors all taught things that lead away from reality and God. I suspect false god driven religions and eastern religions were part of that nonsense.

 

[lforrest]

First I don't believe in the practices of modern psychology as I am directed by God to a more healthy state as a child of God that he created.



In order to understand if a certain crime was the result of a "mental illness" they would have to differentiate between conditioning from influences in a person's life that can affect a person's mind or heart and beliefs and also physical conditions in the brain that require medication from a licensed doctor. There is a term psychologists use for depression called situational depression that they say can be resolved if the situation that is creating the depression is resolved. As for as clinical depression that is described as a problem with the physical function of the brain that requires medication to alleviate the induced depression from the brain's physical dysfunction.

I'm of the belief that God can, if he desires, heal a person of those problems. But God may not heal a person and then they can seek a licensed doctor's advice.

Regarding the conditioning that may appear to be a mental illness that can be resolved by alleviating that conditioning, that may play a role in other peoples portions of a crime that is committed. At least that is the moral and ethical understanding I have. Will the criminal accept full responsibility for their actions? That perhaps is a subject of discussion and debate.

I am not retracting the original post statements I made regarding incorrectly linking mental illness with crimes. I will repeat the information regarding that statement:

"The public perception of psychiatric patients as dangerous individuals is often rooted in the portrayal of criminals in the media as “crazy” individuals. A large body of data suggests otherwise. People with mental illness are more likely to be a victim of violent crime than the perpetrator." Psychiatric Illness and Criminality - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

There are mental illnesses that make one more likely to commit crimes and be imprisoned. Such as antisocial personality disorder, which nearly half of male prisoners have, and a quarter of female prisoners.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

There are mental illnesses that make one more likely to commit crimes and be imprisoned. Such as antisocial personality disorder, which nearly half of male prisoners have, and a quarter of female prisoners.

Hey you can not say that in our NWO that's a crime ! Saying that the ratio is different regarding genda ?
Maybe the gov will have to address that and make sure both are equal in the future ?
How could they fix the issue, diddile the figures some how, so as to make women equal in the percentages !
We Socialist can not have non equality now can we, when eqality is the Law ?
So we just doctor the results and bingo ! target is set, job well done ! all fixed.

In the Olympic Games now, one could of been born a man and for some reason was to become another sex, is now alowed to punch the hell out of a woman. and get away with it ! nothing to be seen here, once again. But why the getting away with such a lie ? not to mention men allowed to bash women now ? such truly sends a bad message.
Why is ones rights to criticise such things dominated over ?
Oh that just the foundations of Political Correctness !
What's Political Correctness.
Oh that's just that we make up what is correct from a Political point of view, a Socialist Marxist view, in that the Truth is not respected in fact, for such is what's deemed as truth is only called relative ? So their is no real regards for The Truth in fact ! as it's just made up to suit a Political agenda, Yes, just like Hitler peddled and the Communist peddled. Lies become truth ?
So is that a mental disorder ? are we starting to be touching on somthing here ? Jesus had an issue on that subject in fact !

Why is one antisocial ? well their could be many reasons as to why, but such has to be defined, for one as to why would one send their own child or any child out to sacrefice them, in a War say ? it's acceptible in some cultures in fact and what about aborting a healthy child in the womb up to 9 months ? it's acceptible by Law in the west nowadays, so what next becomes Law under the Political Correctnerss gods ?

Do they abiden in Christ Jesus ? i think not !

 

[lforrest]

Is that what the media tells you. There are plenty of God people that were anti-social in history. Why did they tell you that? To get Christians part of Sodom and Gomorrah?

It is the new more inclusive word for sociopaths. It is a mental illness, and not all mental illnesses are the same. So you picked the wrong hill to die on.

It is characterized by:

• Impulsive: May act impulsively and irresponsibly
• Manipulative: May manipulate others for personal gain
• Lack empathy: May not care about other people's feelings
• Lack remorse: May not feel remorse for their actions
• Criminal: May break the law repeatedly
• Reckless: May disregard their own safety or the safety of others
• Substance misuse: May have problems with substance misuse
• Charming: May be able to act charming and persuasive to get what they want
• Opinionated: May be very opinionated, self-assured, or arrogant

 

[BlessedPeace]

Just in case anyone reads the following post #28 & #29 from the thread: Sidney incident

One member states:

"If you had read my post above, you would have known that the man was suffering from mental health related issues. The Police had stated that he was not a terrorist."

And another member replies with the response:

"Actually, the police said there is yet no evidence that links him to any ideology. Terrorist is by definition an apt description for what transpired. Terrorists are also by definition mentally ill."

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Yes,let us be clear.

I'm the unnamed 2nd member you refer to in the above except of two replies from The Sydney Incident thread "Rita" asked to have closed shortly after I posted the Mar Mari video.

And when after that posting,when that thread had not been active till then for but a little while "Rita" asked it be closed.

Now you excerpt two posts from that thread related to terrorism in Sydney, in an effort to take issue with mental illness.

Let's be clear about the differences between "mental illness" and acts of terror against persons.

To be clear, there is no committee. This is your thread alleging a difference.

The bold, underlined and red font are my edit.

Christians should tolerate discrimination against the less fortunate children and adults that are suffering from a mental illness.

They are already suffering enough then to add further suffering against them.

See above.

I'm not sure what the motivation is when members and other media make dangerous claims against mentally ill.

This member,so to save you from further effort of implication, stated what I did because I know what I'm talking about. Unlike yourself.

See 2 examples above. And more, to be continued below.

Connecting mental illness together with violent acts and terrorism can promote hate crimes against the mentally ill.

Wearing a MAGA tee shirt in "blue states" can promote hate crimes against the Conservative wearing it.

Hate crime legislation varies among the States and at the Federal level.
It is also a form of legal discrimination! Because it allows for further prosecution against that what is already deemed by law to be illegal.

Example.
A murder can be prosecuted as a hate crime. Because before Hate Crime categories arrived on scene , murders weren't construed as an act of hate. Sarcasm because HC's are an affront to justice.

However, if a homosexual is the victim and the accused is a fundamentalist Christian, the DA can proceed on the murder charge and add a hate crime enhancement.

The other discrimination factor there being, the only reason the homosexual victim is dead is because the alleged defendant is a Christian.

Hate Crime Laws Are a Form of Discrimination

In a hierarchy of victims, where do murdered police officers belong?

time.com

Thank GOD our 1st amendment protects against the formation of hate speech laws.

The act of associating mental illness and acts of terror or violence is a form of hate speech.

Rubbish!

An educated person would have done research on the matter to derive conclusions related to what News often reports together. Apparently the News has been reporting any matters related to mental illness when I violent crime is committed in some areas of the news. That does not reflect the percentage of violent acts that are associated with some mental illness reporting. And I'm not sure why they are perpetuating that danger against innocent mentally ill persons.

Allow me to expose some more evidence on the matter:

You have to that point only opined on the matter.

You had as yet not provided any evidence save for writing your personal opinions on the topic you initiated.

Below,is where you claim to provide evidence to that upholds your opinion.

"Studies have repeatedly shown that the majority of individuals with mental illness are not violent and that the majority of violent acts are not committed by those with mental illness. Further, research indicates only 3% to 5% of violent acts can be attributed to persons with SMI." ICJIA | Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority

There are people that harm others and we see evidence of that in the news and perhaps even in our own lives. To assess if a person is mentally ill requires a licensed doctor in psychiatry. A person would have to get a psychiatrist's professional statement on whether violent crimes are evidence of a state of mental illness associated with a specific crime.

An educated person has done research on the matter. Which is why I posted in the Sidney thread from which you excerpted a portion of my post so to open this one.

"(Sic)...​

Commentators proposed that some of those who became involved in terrorism had an underlying mental disorder that was causally linked to their violence propensity, including, for example, a range of personality disorders (Cooper, 1978; Lasch, 1979; Pearce, 1977). However, successive studies failed to support this link (e.g., Elliot & Lockhart, 1980; Ferracuti & Bruno, 1981; Lyons & Harbison, 1986) leaving many convinced that those involved in groups like the Provisional IRA and Euskadi Ta Askatasuna (ETA) were essentially normal individuals attracted to terrorism by virtue of a multitude of interacting psychosocial processes (e.g., Crenshaw, 1981; Heskin, 1984; Taylor & Horgan, 2006). The assertion that terrorism was the product of abnormality was ultimately deemed ‘unfair’ to the terrorist and abandoned by researchers and policy makers (e.g., Silke, 1998).

In recent times the debate has re‐emerged. Those interested in so‐called lone actor violence raised concerns about ‘fundamental errors’ in past research (Corner et al., 2016; p. 561) and presented plausible case formulations linking experiential stressors such as social isolation with mental disorder and violence (e.g., Corner & Gill, 2015). Cohort studies of lone actors emerged that appeared to show high rates of mental disorder, with 37% of Liem and colleagues' sample of European lone actor terrorists having ‘some indication of mental illness’, and 25% being clinically diagnosed with ‘a particular mental disorder’ (Liem et al., 2018; p. 60). Such findings were not limited to lone‐actor terrorism (e.g., Weenink, 2015).

However, those who have looked more closely at this evidence base have acknowledged that the picture emerging is far from clear, with the lack of clarity attributable, in part at least, to methodological limitations in that literature (Gill et al., 2021; Jensen et al., 2020). To some extent these limitations centre on one core problem—the difficulty determining to what extent, if any, the presence of a mental disorder confers risk of terrorist involvement (as opposed to being associated with increased risk). We suggest that the existing literature needs to demonstrate that a number of criteria are met to credibly conclude that disorder, or more broadly psychological difficulties, can increase the risk of becoming involved in terrorism....."
Source
For much more open link and use Find In Page:

Terrorist behavior​

As a post script: The next time you wish to take issue with something I said, contact me via PM or use my name outright. (I E @BlessedPeace).

I'm pretty sure that isn't against the rules.

 

[Raccoon1010]

When I have disclosed my mental illness as diagnosed by a doctor to persons in the public I have been met with strange behavior that is altered afterwards from their normal conduct. I believe that is discrimination. I have been advised by counselors not to disclose my mental illness when applying for jobs. And I believe it to be paranoia against mentally ill persons. I do see the facts stated in the first two post in this thread by me. And wonder if people hear stereotypes against mentally ill and actually believe it themselves.

I think that would be a social illness conducted thru non-factual information and perpetuated throughout society in communications.

I hope that Christians are free from that conduct and illness.

 

[Raccoon1010]

It is the new more inclusive word for sociopaths. It is a mental illness, and not all mental illnesses are the same. So you picked the wrong hill to die on.

It is characterized by:

• Impulsive: May act impulsively and irresponsibly
• Manipulative: May manipulate others for personal gain
• Lack empathy: May not care about other people's feelings
• Lack remorse: May not feel remorse for their actions
• Criminal: May break the law repeatedly
• Reckless: May disregard their own safety or the safety of others
• Substance misuse: May have problems with substance misuse
• Charming: May be able to act charming and persuasive to get what they want
• Opinionated: May be very opinionated, self-assured, or arrogant

Thank you @lforrest. I did delete the post you had responded to as I was not addressing the matter appropriately. I will address certain matters and not all relate to our discussion directly:

First let me say, I do not believe in psychology, but take a more Godly approach to matters regarding others. I believe the terms you listed are probably derived by psychologists and/or social scientists. Using terminology like the ones you listed can result in judgmental ideas and feelings towards people that have those behaviors. I know we as Christians are careful of not judging the person but rather the sin. Hopefully others also follow that teaching.

While the terms you listed may be observed in behaviors of others, it does not define a persons thoughts and feelings necessarily. They may have been imprinted on a person from their childhood and require God's direction and healing. I believe the bible discusses that issue of parents perpetuating unhealthy teachings and conditioning in their children. We as members of society perhaps are an influence on others as well.

I will re-state what a mental "illness" is. It is a physical dysfunction in the brain, whether caused by damage or chemically induced. Perhaps there are other methods that cause mental illness behaviors. A person with a mental illness may manifest various behaviors that others find undesirable or offensive. We as mature Christians are more responsible to direct them towards God and the bible, including church attendance.

A "thought disorder" can be created in various ways which includes situations and conditioning from influences in a persons life. God can and does alleviate disorders of the thought processes and beliefs of individuals that have gone astray. It is then wise to be removed from those influences and join a group that is free of that influencing behavior that is causing thought disorders. As Christians that may not tell us we are free from promoting Christianity in undesirable groups.

So I have made a distinction between "mental illnesses" and "thought disorders". I feel that is important.

In the end, The Father, Son and Holy Ghost can provide a way back from harmful beliefs and thought disorders and a person must follow God hopefully when directed by him. God can also alleviate mental illness, but does not always perform that healing. Hopefully those people God has not healed are prayed for by us Christians.

A person that is suffering from a mental illness may seek help from a doctor and they may prescribe medication to alleviate symptoms of the illness that are undesirable.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Thank you @lforrest. I did delete the post you had responded to as I was not addressing the matter appropriately. I will address certain matters and not all relate to our discussion directly:

First let me say, I do not believe in psychology, but take a more Godly approach to matters regarding others. I believe the terms you listed are probably derived by psychologists and/or social scientists. Using terminology like the ones you listed can result in judgmental ideas and feelings towards people that have those behaviors. I know we as Christians are careful of not judging the person but rather the sin. Hopefully others also follow that teaching.

While the terms you listed may be observed in behaviors of others, it does not define a persons thoughts and feelings necessarily. They may have been imprinted on a person from their childhood and require God's direction and healing. I believe the bible discusses that issue of parents perpetuating unhealthy teachings and conditioning in their children. We as members of society perhaps are an influence on others as well.

I will re-state what a mental "illness" is. It is a physical dysfunction in the brain, whether caused by damage or chemically induced. Perhaps there are other methods that cause mental illness behaviors. A person with a mental illness may manifest various behaviors that others find undesirable or offensive. We as mature Christians are more responsible to direct them towards God and the bible, including church attendance.

A "thought disorder" can be created in various ways which includes situations and conditioning from influences in a persons life. God can and does alleviate disorders of the thought processes and beliefs of individuals that have gone astray. It is then wise to be removed from those influences and join a group that is free of that influencing behavior that is causing thought disorders. As Christians that may not tell us we are free from promoting Christianity in undesirable groups.

So I have made a distinction between "mental illnesses" and "thought disorders". I feel that is important.

In the end, The Father, Son and Holy Ghost can provide a way back from harmful beliefs and thought disorders and a person must follow God hopefully when directed by him. God can also alleviate mental illness, but does not always perform that healing. Hopefully those people God has not healed are prayed for by us Christians.

A person that is suffering from a mental illness may seek help from a doctor and they may prescribe medication to alleviate symptoms of the illness that are undesirable.

I have a mate up the road who has a mental illness, i told him a story that he liked.
I said a dude was driving past a mental hospital and got a flat tyre, so pulled up and changed the wheel. but he had just happened to knocked all of the wheel nuts down a drain hole and could not get them out !
So he was now in a state, thinking what the hell to do, i can not fit the wheel now !

A mental patient was watching all this from the fence directly and said to the driver, hey dude ! why don't you just take one wheel nut off the other 3 wheels and then you will have 3 nuts for all 4 wheels.

The driver turned around and said, hey how could you figure out somthing like that !

The mental patient said, I am Mental ! not beeping Stupid !

 

[Raccoon1010]

I have a mate up the road who has a mental illness, i told him a story that he liked.
I said a dude was driving past a mental hospital and got a flat tyre, so pulled up and changed the wheel. but he had just happened to knocked all of the wheel nuts down a drain hole and could not get them out !
So he was now in a state, thinking what the hell to do, i can not fit the wheel now !

A mental patient was watching all this from the fence directly and said to the driver, hey dude ! why don't you just take one wheel nut off the other 3 wheels and then you will have 3 nuts for all 4 wheels.

The driver turned around and said, hey how could you figure out somthing like that !

The mental patient said, I am Mental ! not beeping Stupid !

Interesting thing about paranoia. It is "considering possibilities that can affect a person or group of persons or a earth, sun and the rest of the universe". It is the natural way the brain imagines possibilities. Some may be true, while others are false. Without factual evidence, it is impossible to know with ideas presented by the imagination which are true or confirmed. Some might say "when those imagined possibility(s) become believed by the person, they either will become paranoia as a psychological term some people use, or truth found thru investigation of facts and evidence.

Sometimes people believe imaginary ideas if they are presented someway to create the illusion that they are true, yet they would then be false.

God can provide the truth for his children when they are presented with multiple possibilities of things affecting them or others.

It is the subconscious presentation to the conscious mind thru the awake mind that imagination is presented perhaps. There are other influences such as God, man, Satan, and chemicals fabrication, technological harassment and also herbal medicines. There may be others.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Interesting thing about paranoia. It is "considering possibilities that can affect a person or group of persons or a earth, sun and the rest of the universe". It is the natural way the brain imagines possibilities. Some may be true, while others are false. Without factual evidence, it is impossible to know with ideas presented by the imagination which are true or confirmed. Some might say "when those imagined possibility(s) become believed by the person, they either will become paranoia as a psychological term some people use, or truth found thru investigation of facts and evidence.

Sometimes people believe imaginary ideas if they are presented someway to create the illusion that they are true, yet they would then be false.

God can provide the truth for his children when they are presented with multiple possibilities of things affecting them or others.

It is the subconscious presentation to the conscious mind thru the awake mind that imagination is presented perhaps. There are other influences such as God, man, Satan, and chemicals fabrication, technological harassment and also herbal medicines. There may be others.

There is also fear of the unknown which can cause people to "jump" to conclusions in a fight or flight response. Do people believe conclusions prematurely without all the evidence and facts? God can provide that truth and is the God of truth as we Christians know. But how many people in society am I describing with these two posts? There are probably levels of light and darkness.

I think the word "paranoia" was invented to attack people that others don't understand. I'm not sure the word is even a human characteristic. The deceiver that is Satan can present lies to a person and provide the artificial condition that would call paranoia, and that would be a personal experience that I'm not sure anyone would share in a "common" way.

Imagine a person arriving into existence and it is dark, there is no way to see what is around it, and it must be provided light from God and hopefully not Satan appearing as an "angel of light". God can show that person the truth that exists around them, and Satan perhaps can present misleading lies in an attempt to deceive and they might even believe Satan's lies.

Even in science, physics, chemistry, biology and the like, God is the only truth and light of the world and Universe. We are not given to know what other's think in their minds or feel in their hearts and not even reactions to stimuli presents in their body language. I believe that is a matter between God and his children, and Satan was found attempting to covet bodies thru possession and some were killed for it by God as witness to me from Him. The hope we have in God and Almighty Power of God is what gives Christians comfort.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

I have a mate up the road who has a mental illness, i told him a story that he liked.
I said a dude was driving past a mental hospital and got a flat tyre, so pulled up and changed the wheel. but he had just happened to knocked all of the wheel nuts down a drain hole and could not get them out !
So he was now in a state, thinking what the hell to do, i can not fit the wheel now !

A mental patient was watching all this from the fence directly and said to the driver, hey dude ! why don't you just take one wheel nut off the other 3 wheels and then you will have 3 nuts for all 4 wheels.

The driver turned around and said, hey how could you figure out somthing like that !

The mental patient said, I am Mental ! not beeping Stupid !

I'm going to memorize that one!!!
I have Seasonal Affective Disorder, diagnosed in 1972, or 73, I can't remember. It could be due to the shock treatments back then that I survived. ECT: Electro-Convulsive Therapy. Bipolar is the most misdiagnosed disease of the list of psychopathologies. Yet I received a powerful Release of the Holy Spirit a year before all hell broke loose. I went into a deep depression waking up to find myself in a provincial mental hospital. By order of a judge. I felt abandoned by God. Try to imagine what that felt like.

As I got better, I took a course in machine shop, with the hospital providing a lunch. I graduated from the nut house, went home against the advice of my psychiatrist; my father was an alcoholic. I got a good job and worked hard for 2 years. I
got sick again, admitted myself to the same hospital and they discovered I was misdiagnosed.

Determined to overcome my sense of worthlessness, I entered nursing school away from home and graduated as a RPN: Registered Practical Nurse (LPN in the states) with an interest in psychiatry. I am one of the few people in the world who have been on both sides of the nursing station.

One day amidst all this, I lamented to my doctor about all my siblings being successful professionals, and I was a nut. He said to me words I will never forget:
" I have patients with your illness that are dead or in jail. Don't think your brothers and sisters would have done as well as you have if they were so afflicted, it's because of your faith."

I am 72 now, and still once in a while I wrestle with this demon, but God has taught me to keep him on a short leash, through prayer and medication, and insight to know when trouble is brewing.

 

[BlessedPeace]

I have a mate up the road who has a mental illness, i told him a story that he liked.
I said a dude was driving past a mental hospital and got a flat tyre, so pulled up and changed the wheel. but he had just happened to knocked all of the wheel nuts down a drain hole and could not get them out !
So he was now in a state, thinking what the hell to do, i can not fit the wheel now !

A mental patient was watching all this from the fence directly and said to the driver, hey dude ! why don't you just take one wheel nut off the other 3 wheels and then you will have 3 nuts for all 4 wheels.

The driver turned around and said, hey how could you figure out somthing like that !

The mental patient said, I am Mental ! not beeping Stupid !

Great story.

Look, mental illness is a very real thing.
However, it appears in this age of hypersensitive reflexes reacting to verbal triggers that seem personal is growing more prevalent.

And as such , there's a growing attempt to blanket the issue as the responsibility of all people to take pains not to say that.
Whatever that may be.

This thread is an effort to take an issue that was shut down in a different thread and keep the conflict going.


Because this threads author , @dev553344 , took issue with my post in the now closed Rita thread regarding a Muslim terrorists knife attack upon Bishop Mar Mari in church in Australia.

And that is precisely what it was!

As anyone who knows the Bishops prior sermons regarding Islam.

By definition the knife wielding Muslim assailant was a terrorist.


Terrorist:relating to, or characteristic of terrorists or terrorism : practicing or involving violent acts of terror.

What is an act of terror?

The 16 year old also stabbed another man. Mar Mari has forgiven the terrorist .

This is what happened.

Now,a thread,this one,is reopened to take issue with the fact I called the attacker a Muslim terrorist.

Mentally well people don't walk forward in a church service and try to murder two men.

Now though the issue for @dev553344 that need continue beyond Rita's asking for the closure of her own Sydney incident thread is, I called a 16 year old Muslim weilding a knife in an effort to murder Mar Mari a terrorist when he acted out during the live stream of the service.

This thread in essence is a defense against the identity of terrorist, in the defense of menal illness!

One excuse is, there's no evidence he was affiliated with any terror group!

In truth he doesn't need to be to qualify by definition as a terrorist.

School shooters are terrorists.

It's curious that someone allegedly suffering mental illness thinks they may police terminology and decide what constitutes an act of mental illness.

It's as if we realize terrorists are mentally ill that the outcome of that realization will imply all mentally ill people have the potential to become terrorists.

Which is absurd.

Just as is prioritizing a defense against the identity of terrorist, in defense of menal illness!

While concern for the knife wielding attackers victims mental wellbeing is nill. Because insuring their attacker isn't synonymously defined as a mentally ill terrorist is.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

APA IS HAVING A MENTAL BREAKDOWN​

It is becoming ever more clear that those who run the American Psychological Association (APA) are suffering from a mental breakdown. It is now promoting “relationship anarchy,” as well as other dysfunctional behaviors. To the APA, about the only deviant sexual behavior that is left in American society is what most of us would call normal heterosexual monogamous unions.

Its descent is traceable to 1975 when it decided to support the position of the American Psychiatric Association declaring that homosexuality was not a mental illness. That determination, which was reached in 1973, was not based on any new scientific empirical evidence; rather, it was made following years of bullying by radical gay activists.

The APA is on a tear. Earlier this year it made a strong political statement attacking men [read: heterosexual men]. It opined that a pernicious “masculine ideology” has overtaken society and must be rooted out. What are the contents of this ideology? “Anti-femininity,” which is to say the normal male tendency not to identify with effeminate men. It also includes such dangerous attributes as “achievement.” Evidently, it does not see the sexism in this statement (it implies that women are not achievement oriented).

The latest APA endorsement of polygamy and swinging (and my favorite, the all-inclusive “relationship anarchy”) was announced this month as part of the APA’s “Non-Monogamy Task Force” program; it says it is promoting “inclusivity.” It has not yet endorsed bestiality (which is no doubt a tribute to the animal rights folks), but who knows what lies beyond the bend? That may be next. Isn’t that what “inclusivity” is all about?

Ten years ago a book was released by three psychologists, Nicholas Cummings, William O’Donohue, and Janet Cummings, titled Psychology’s War on Religion. I contributed the chapter, “The War on Catholicism.”

I quoted Freud as saying “my real enemy” is “the Roman Catholic Church.” I also detailed Jung’s pathological hatred of the Catholic Church. Many other wizards in the field who shared the same bias were discussed as well. Make no mistake about it, there is a direct line between this kind of thinking and the APA’s embrace of “relationship anarchy.”

Let’s face it, the APA leadership is actively pushing the radical gay agenda, the goal of which is to eradicate the cultural basis of Western civilization, namely the Judeo-Christian ethos. Their ideology is so entrenched that they are unable to see the psychological and social damage that is done to everyone, especially women and children, when a sexual ethic based on restraint is destroyed. And have they not learned of the body count attributed to lethal sex practices?

The APA is not a scientific body—it is an activist organization in service to sexual libertinism.
source

 

[Jay Ross]

In Australia on the 2023-Feb-16 six people lost their lives in a gun battle between three Christians and the Police. Whether the Trains were mentally ill is not why I am posting this Published article/news report. I am posting this report because Mental illness can take many forms.

Source for the following article: - Wieambilla shootings labelled Australia’s first Christian terrorist attack

Police have labelled last year’s shooting of two police officers and a neighbour in the Queensland town of Wieambilla as Australia’s first fundamentalist Christian terrorist attack.​

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In December, four junior officers who tried to enter the property of Gareth, Nathaniel and Stacey Train for what police described as a routine missing person check were instead met with a hail of bullets, killing two, sending one running for his life with a bullet wound and the fourth hiding in long grass that her assailants set ablaze.​

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A neighbour was later shot and killed before a shootout with police left all three Trains dead.​

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The Queensland police deputy commissioner, Tracy Linford, told reporters on Thursday that in the weeks since the attack, police and security agencies had trawled through Stacey’s diary and the trio’s phones and online communications to piece together their motives for the attack.​

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“Our assessment has concluded that Nathaniel, Gareth and Stacey Train acted as an autonomous cell and executed a religiously motivated terrorist attack,” she said.​

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“The Train family members prescribed to what we would call a broad Christian fundamentalist belief system known as premillennialism.​

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“I’m not an expert in that but, in its basic interpretation, is that there was a belief that Christ will return to the Earth for a thousand days, provide peace and prosperity, but it will be preceded by an era, or a period of time of tribulation and widespread destruction and suffering.”​

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Linford said the Covid pandemic, climate crisis, global conflict, anti-vaccine and anti-government sentiment and social disparity had seen the Trains spiral into increasingly radical theological beliefs.​

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“Christian extremist ideology has been linked to other attacks around the world, but this is the first time we’ve seen it occur in Australia,” she said.​

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“Probably the one people most might recognise was the Waco attack [in Texas in 1993].”​

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The Australian Security and Intelligence Organisation and the Australian Federal Police are also involved in the ongoing investigation, she said.​

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The Trains had viewed police as “monsters and demons” and had undergone “advanced preparation and planning” before the fatal shootout, Linford said.​

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“We don’t believe this attack was random or spontaneous. We do believe it was an attack directed at police.”​

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Linford said the trio had built camouflaged hides on their Wieambilla property where police believe one of the three would periodically “lie in wait”.​

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As well as six firearms, three compound bows and knives, the Trains had camouflage clothing, CCTV cameras and radios, and had built steel and log barriers, dirt mounds and put mirrors on trees, which police believe they used to be prepared for incoming traffic.​

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“We even located a trapdoor under the house which might have enabled an easy escape,” she said.​

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The deputy commissioner said she had personally met with the FBI as Queensland police believe a man in the US to be a “person of interest” in the shootings.​

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In the hours after the attack the Trains posted a chilling video to YouTube in which they appeared to address an Arizona-based conspiracist with whom the Trains had struck up an online friendship.​

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“We’ll see you when we get home, Don,” Gareth said at the end of the 41-second clip.​

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Linford said that police believed “home” referred to heaven.​

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“We believe ‘Don’ is a person of interest,” Linford said on Thursday.​

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“So, we have worked with our US counterparts, provided the information that we have and they’ll determine what investigations they might make as a result of that information.”​

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But Linford stressed there was no evidence of any domestic link to the Trains’ “terrorist cell”.​

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She also said there appeared to be no connection to the sovereign citizen movement, although early speculation of such a connection was “understandable” given the behaviour of the Trains.​

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The deputy commissioner said police had not found any communication in which the Trains declared themselves as sovereign citizens – which she said was often the case with adherents of that ideology.​

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The deputy commissioner said the Trains may have hoped to inspire others to follow their deadly example.​

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Asked if the threat of Christian extremists had been on the radar of police prior to the attack, Linford said it was “not something we’ve seen in Australia”.​

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Linford said police had collected more than 190 statements and recorded interviews but, it would fall to the coroner to make a final determination as to what had motivated the Trains and recommendations as to how to avoid such tragedies in the future.​

People can be influenced by a number of sources and this forum demonstrates this fact.

What the primary cause of this dysfunctional behaviour I believe can be sheeted down to the primary sin of the person(s) turning away from God and acting God like which then spirals down towards secondary types of sins being committed by them which are outlined in the majority of the Ten Commandments.

When I had suggested to a Religious Teacher that Australia and the USA had committed the same primary sin, I was told by him that I was wrong because Australians are culturally very different to the Americans. This teacher did not understand what our primary sin is nor that after having embraced the primary sin that the secondary sins naturally followed because there now were no moral compasses to guide us in the choices that we make or in the activities we enter into.

Mentally induced illness is just as prevalent within Christian circles as it is in the secular world. It is how we respond within the circumstances of our interactions that makes or breaks those who have mentally induced illnesses/sicknesses that defines our relationship with God firstly and others secondly. Harshly labelling people and acting accordingly can trigger responses that are not helpful and can result in undesired outcomes. All Christians should be a blessing to the people around them. Many times, we do fall short.

Shalom

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

APA IS HAVING A MENTAL BREAKDOWN​

It is becoming ever more clear that those who run the American Psychological Association (APA) are suffering from a mental breakdown. It is now promoting “relationship anarchy,” as well as other dysfunctional behaviors. To the APA, about the only deviant sexual behavior that is left in American society is what most of us would call normal heterosexual monogamous unions.

Its descent is traceable to 1975 when it decided to support the position of the American Psychiatric Association declaring that homosexuality was not a mental illness. That determination, which was reached in 1973, was not based on any new scientific empirical evidence; rather, it was made following years of bullying by radical gay activists.

The APA is on a tear. Earlier this year it made a strong political statement attacking men [read: heterosexual men]. It opined that a pernicious “masculine ideology” has overtaken society and must be rooted out. What are the contents of this ideology? “Anti-femininity,” which is to say the normal male tendency not to identify with effeminate men. It also includes such dangerous attributes as “achievement.” Evidently, it does not see the sexism in this statement (it implies that women are not achievement oriented).

The latest APA endorsement of polygamy and swinging (and my favorite, the all-inclusive “relationship anarchy”) was announced this month as part of the APA’s “Non-Monogamy Task Force” program; it says it is promoting “inclusivity.” It has not yet endorsed bestiality (which is no doubt a tribute to the animal rights folks), but who knows what lies beyond the bend? That may be next. Isn’t that what “inclusivity” is all about?

Ten years ago a book was released by three psychologists, Nicholas Cummings, William O’Donohue, and Janet Cummings, titled Psychology’s War on Religion. I contributed the chapter, “The War on Catholicism.”

I quoted Freud as saying “my real enemy” is “the Roman Catholic Church.” I also detailed Jung’s pathological hatred of the Catholic Church. Many other wizards in the field who shared the same bias were discussed as well. Make no mistake about it, there is a direct line between this kind of thinking and the APA’s embrace of “relationship anarchy.”

Let’s face it, the APA leadership is actively pushing the radical gay agenda, the goal of which is to eradicate the cultural basis of Western civilization, namely the Judeo-Christian ethos. Their ideology is so entrenched that they are unable to see the psychological and social damage that is done to everyone, especially women and children, when a sexual ethic based on restraint is destroyed. And have they not learned of the body count attributed to lethal sex practices?

The APA is not a scientific body—it is an activist organization in service to sexual libertinism.
source

Yes, i have taken note of many Foundations, Associations etc over the years get corrupted by Satanic forces that come in as a thin edge of the wedge and once that takes place then the bacteria become like a Cancer.
The Direction starts off all well and good but then goes off the rails, because it's foundations have become corrupted.

I remember the RCC possition on such things many years ago in regard to the new age on regards mental issues and it was clearly undermined the reality of the possition of the RCC. for a fools way of doing things, not addressing the key of the problem ? but masking the problems is a way.

I came across a dude 30 years ago or so who was on mental health sickness problems, i was renovating his house. and he talked all about such with me. but he would say to me, Have it your way ? he would just let things go, it was learned responce that he must of been taught ? he said it a fair bit, for just about anything and i thought why is that !
He could not drive more than 5km from home etc. His best mate that was with him had been shot dead working Armored money run job, was what kicked off his problem.
I believed that he was not being treated correctly, but for this new age BS !
He was in the Army before that and high ranking. I thought that he had to face it and snap out of it ! but i fear that the band-aid treatment was milking the system.
Maybe being punched out and tossed in the deep end and made to work hard long hours could fix the problem ? I know that's what my dad did, just worked 7 days a week full on flat out going for it. after being kicked in the guts big time, time after time money wise, after people going bankrupt or ripped off etc, he would get back up full on ! most people could not handle nothing like that. they complain about nonsense that i would not even give the time of day to. big deal to them tho !

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

In Australia on the 2023-Feb-16 six people lost their lives in a gun battle between three Christians and the Police. Whether the Trains were mentally ill is not why I am posting this Published article/news report. I am posting this report because Mental illness can take many forms.

Source for the following article: - Wieambilla shootings labelled Australia’s first Christian terrorist attac

People can be influenced by a number of sources and this forum demonstrates this fact.

What the primary cause of this dysfunctional behaviour I believe can be sheeted down to the primary sin of the person(s) turning away from God and acting God like which then spirals down towards secondary types of sins being committed by them which are outlined in the majority of the Ten Commandments.

When I had suggested to a Religious Teacher that Australia and the USA had committed the same primary sin, I was told by him that I was wrong because Australians are culturally very different to the Americans. This teacher did not understand what our primary sin is nor that after having embraced the primary sin that the secondary sins naturally followed because there now were no moral compasses to guide us in the choices that we make or in the activities we enter into.

Mentally induced illness is just as prevalent within Christian circles as it is in the secular world. It is how we respond within the circumstances of our interactions that makes of breaks those who have mentally induced illnesses/sicknesses that defines our relationship with God firstly and others secondly. Harshly labelling people and acting accordingly can trigger responses that are not helpful and can result in undesired outcomes. All Christians should be a blessing to the people around them. Many times, we do fall short.

Shalom

I asked my brother about them 3, were they on drugs ! He said No !
Boy really i said !
Some people that wacked out ! to do that ! let alone to cops !
They must of knew that they would of been killed for doing somthing like that.
They must of been totaly Possessed ! some one has created that in them, i am sure !
Real Christians do not go to kill anyone, for that is the prime directive.
My brother knew them two young Cops very well.
For them to set up and lay and wait like that, boy ! that is way out !
Some one knows them 3 well enough to know they were off their rocker.

I have met a type of fundamentalist mob who are off their rocker with end of times and i believe they are related to this 3 some how.
They are very dictator like and totaly demanding that only they are right. you can not say no to them.

I seen them as just like Islam is Fundamentalist ! they were just the same only with peddling a claim of christian speal ? they did not like me at all ! and did not want me around. they looked for weak people, people coming out of Jail etc and one leader was a School teacher !

I remember a High School teacher we had who was much like him, he was the most hated one i had to deal with and i found out later that he was a Satanist, real bad people that he was real good mates with. I thought why would a school teacher be mates with them lot !

I think people who rob a Bank etc are high on drugs, so one has to understand that you can not reason with such as that ! be polite and nice to them, for it takes nothing for such a one to blow anyone away in fact, my wife seen one in the Bank get shot in the face with a shot gun, because he did not like the look of him, period !

 

[BlessedPeace]

APA IS HAVING A MENTAL BREAKDOWN​

It is becoming ever more clear that those who run the American Psychological Association (APA) are suffering from a mental breakdown. It is now promoting “relationship anarchy,” as well as other dysfunctional behaviors. To the APA, about the only deviant sexual behavior that is left in American society is what most of us would call normal heterosexual monogamous unions.

Its descent is traceable to 1975 when it decided to support the position of the American Psychiatric Association declaring that homosexuality was not a mental illness. That determination, which was reached in 1973, was not based on any new scientific empirical evidence; rather, it was made following years of bullying by radical gay activists.

The APA is on a tear. Earlier this year it made a strong political statement attacking men [read: heterosexual men]. It opined that a pernicious “masculine ideology” has overtaken society and must be rooted out. What are the contents of this ideology? “Anti-femininity,” which is to say the normal male tendency not to identify with effeminate men. It also includes such dangerous attributes as “achievement.” Evidently, it does not see the sexism in this statement (it implies that women are not achievement oriented).

The latest APA endorsement of polygamy and swinging (and my favorite, the all-inclusive “relationship anarchy”) was announced this month as part of the APA’s “Non-Monogamy Task Force” program; it says it is promoting “inclusivity.” It has not yet endorsed bestiality (which is no doubt a tribute to the animal rights folks), but who knows what lies beyond the bend? That may be next. Isn’t that what “inclusivity” is all about?

Ten years ago a book was released by three psychologists, Nicholas Cummings, William O’Donohue, and Janet Cummings, titled Psychology’s War on Religion. I contributed the chapter, “The War on Catholicism.”

I quoted Freud as saying “my real enemy” is “the Roman Catholic Church.” I also detailed Jung’s pathological hatred of the Catholic Church. Many other wizards in the field who shared the same bias were discussed as well. Make no mistake about it, there is a direct line between this kind of thinking and the APA’s embrace of “relationship anarchy.”

Let’s face it, the APA leadership is actively pushing the radical gay agenda, the goal of which is to eradicate the cultural basis of Western civilization, namely the Judeo-Christian ethos. Their ideology is so entrenched that they are unable to see the psychological and social damage that is done to everyone, especially women and children, when a sexual ethic based on restraint is destroyed. And have they not learned of the body count attributed to lethal sex practices?

The APA is not a scientific body—it is an activist organization in service to sexual libertinism.
source

Years ago the APA started loosing a bit of footing. APA altered in future what was once the prior DSM manual description of Gender Identity disorder, as well as Homosexuality,from what was described as mental illness. This so to have those categories read as that yet with a different clinical language.

The official explanation on their part was vastly removed from the true cause.

And that cause remained an insulated secret among its board. Until one of them redacted their identifiers from the memo header and posted it online.

A memo that every APA member received. It informed the future publications of the DSM would be edited ,as described above.
Out of an abundance of concern for member safety.

Each member of the board has received a barrage of emails and snail mail letters threatening violence and ultimately death if the demands for the aforementioned DSM edits did not receive the boards ascent.

I use to have a copy of that original memo saved on my PC. But it was lost a year later.

To this day that memo copy is nowhere I can find.

The AMA didn't change their opinion of Homosexuality and gender identity, dysphoric, disorder.

They merely reworded their diagnosis to satisfy the intolerant community who promised to kill mental health professionals if those professionals don't stop identifying Homosexuality and Transsexualism as mental illness.