Reasons Jews Reject Jesus
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Marvelloustime
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amigo de christo
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The NET trinitarian commentary on the text should be sufficient to put this to rest. It certainly has helped in my experience in reaching out to the Jews.
1 Timothy 3
“For indeed the day is coming, burning like a furnace, and all the arrogant evildoers will be chaff. The coming day will burn them up,” says the Lord who rules over all. “It will not leave even a root or branch. But for you who respect my name, the sun of vindication will rise with healing...
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“Yeshua is the fully-authorized emissary of YHVH under this law of agency. Therefore, anything and everything he does is as if YHVH had done it. … Yeshua is “God” without being God.”
Shaliah | Hebrew Word Study | Skip Moen
As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. John 17:18 NASB Sent – The Jewish law of agency, known as shaliah, is crucial for understanding the idea of an apostle. In fact, the verb itself, apostéllō, used here to speak of the mission of Yeshua and the mission of his
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“Yeshua is the fully-authorized emissary of YHVH under this law of agency. Therefore, anything and everything he does is as if YHVH had done it. … Yeshua is “God” without being God.”
Shaliah | Hebrew Word Study | Skip Moen
As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. John 17:18 NASB Sent – The Jewish law of agency, known as shaliah, is crucial for understanding the idea of an apostle. In fact, the verb itself, apostéllō, used here to speak of the mission of Yeshua and the mission of his
“Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider Jesus the Apostle and High Priest of our confession; …” (Hebrews 3:1)
Why is Jesus called an apostle? The Anglican source linked below answers the question by drawing our attention to the law of agency. “Jesus is the Apostle-Envoy or shaliach of God.”
Why is Jesus called an ‘apostle’?
Write, if you have any answers to the questions listed at the end of this section, or would like to add to the answers below.
www.churchtimes.co.uk
Jim B
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Ezekiel 13:20-23: “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against your magic charms with which you ensnare people like birds and I will tear them from your arms; I will set free the people that you ensnare like birds. I will tear off your veils and save my people from your hands, and they will no longer fall prey to your power. Then you will know that I am the Lord. Because you disheartened the righteous with your lies, when I had brought them no grief, and because you encouraged the wicked not to turn from their evil ways and so save their lives, therefore you will no longer see false visions or practice divination. I will save my people from your hands. And then you will know that I am the Lord.’”
There is such a thing as context!
Jim B
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But Yeshua is God!“Yeshua is the fully-authorized emissary of YHVH under this law of agency. Therefore, anything and everything he does is as if YHVH had done it. … Yeshua is “God” without being God.”
Shaliah | Hebrew Word Study | Skip Moen
As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. John 17:18 NASB Sent – The Jewish law of agency, known as shaliah, is crucial for understanding the idea of an apostle. In fact, the verb itself, apostéllō, used here to speak of the mission of Yeshua and the mission of his
John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 10:30, "I and the Father are one.”
John 17:20-22, "“My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—"
I understand your position, having been raised in it myself.
You understand those passages of scripture which you list in your post as compatible with your belief that Yeshua is literally God. I understand those same passages of scripture as compatible with my belief that Yeshua is figuratively God. I’ve referenced the law of agency as the explanation of my faith in both God (YHWH) and the Messiah (Yeshua / Jesus of Nazareth).
I don’t expect you to agree with my faith. I’m content knowing that you, and others, understand why I believe what I do.
Eliyahu613
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I cannot find what you mean. Can you post that trinitarian commentary here?
So you don't believe that JC was really God, and you don't believe in the trinity?“Yeshua is the fully-authorized emissary of YHVH under this law of agency. Therefore, anything and everything he does is as if YHVH had done it. … Yeshua is “God” without being God.”
Shaliah | Hebrew Word Study | Skip Moen
As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. John 17:18 NASB Sent – The Jewish law of agency, known as shaliah, is crucial for understanding the idea of an apostle. In fact, the verb itself, apostéllō, used here to speak of the mission of Yeshua and the mission of his
It’s the rather lengthy footnote 24 in the link I provided in my post. I’ll post the link again for you in this post:
1 Timothy 3
“For indeed the day is coming, burning like a furnace, and all the arrogant evildoers will be chaff. The coming day will burn them up,” says the Lord who rules over all. “It will not leave even a root or branch. But for you who respect my name, the sun of vindication will rise with healing...
netbible.org
That’s right. I don’t. The only God I believe in is the only God whom Jesus believed in.
Eliyahu613
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Bs"d
Congratulations! You are not an idol worshiper!
Being wrong about the messiah is not a big deal, I don't think you get whip lashes for it, but idolatry is a grave sin, which carries upon it the death penalty, and also horrible curses.
But you realize that more than 99% of the Christians don't believe like you do?
Yes, I realize that the majority of Christians don’t believe like I do. It is with that in mind that I don’t self-identify as Christian on Christianity Board, even though I am a Christian.
My Christian belief predates and excludes the Christian belief settled upon at Nicea.
Eliyahu613
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Don't you think that when more than 99% of the followers of a certain religion go wrong, that maybe there is something fundamentally wrong with that religion?
Why is it, you think, that so many Christians go wrong? Could it be that the NT steers them wrong?
My religion is identified by scholars as “primitive Christianity”. Theirs is a “developed Christianity”.
I don’t think the NT steers them wrong. Christianity began as a sect within Judaism. When the church broke away from Judaism later in the 1st century, and when the composition changed from nearly all Jews to nearly all gentiles, a change gradually occurred over several centuries in the thinking of Christians. Adherents of Nicene Christianity read scripture (OT and NT) through a different lens than I do as a primitive / Ante-Nicene Christian.
Paul spoke about what was happening to the church in his day and warned about what would happen to the church after his time.
If one is in fact a worthy Jew ? such would be a Christian in fact.
For if one does not come to Christ Jesus, one is an abomination to God in fact !
All people who are not truly born again are an abomination ! for they are lost and are of this world ! under the power of deceptions and delusions, that Jesus pointed out.
One who takes pride in a religion is a fool !
It's not religion that matters, but Christ Jesus is where it's all at in fact. For no one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son.
People will fight over religion, but that's not where it's at !
All Religion has a bad name.
Christ Jesus Name is above all.
Not to mention we see satanic people, do not like to hear the words Christ Jesus, for they get riled and are in fact, just like the ones who set to do him injury and kill him in fact.
So where do you or I fit in to religion ? Well I put Christ Jesus first in my life ! One may ask why is that ? well it's because I am born again and of the Kingdom of God, not of this world that is full of delusions.
So I do not look up to any Church ! but the one true Church, that being the body of Christ Jesus and he as the Head their of ! clearly that's where it's all at !
When I look back at all the Church denominations I once went to, how far have they fallen now astounds me !
Then I look ate the Islamic and Jew religions etc and it sticks out that such is so lost, that I could not truly give such the time of day to. for they are clearly on the wrong path ! for they are of this world and have no idea at all ! for they do not understand Salvation in Christ is what saves one and giving direction so that one and all with in will have life in abundance ! and not wasted on folly and stupidity and malice.
It's called Grace ! and anyone who is not truly born again has not Grace in fact.
I was talking to a Jew 3 weeks ago and he claimed about grace that Jews have grace ? the grace he was on about is worldly grace carnal grace, for he could not understand Christian Grace is Charity ! not charity as in a carnal sense that most yobbos think such is.
For if one does not have Charity one is not Saved ! for they do not have Grace ! not to mention they do not posses real Love ! for they know not for they are deprived of such. lacking of such !
That's why Jesus said regards to Marriage that Moses gave one the right to divorce ? due to the hardness of their hearts. and that says it all !
For if one does not come to Christ Jesus, one is an abomination to God in fact !
All people who are not truly born again are an abomination ! for they are lost and are of this world ! under the power of deceptions and delusions, that Jesus pointed out.
One who takes pride in a religion is a fool !
It's not religion that matters, but Christ Jesus is where it's all at in fact. For no one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son.
People will fight over religion, but that's not where it's at !
All Religion has a bad name.
Christ Jesus Name is above all.
Not to mention we see satanic people, do not like to hear the words Christ Jesus, for they get riled and are in fact, just like the ones who set to do him injury and kill him in fact.
So where do you or I fit in to religion ? Well I put Christ Jesus first in my life ! One may ask why is that ? well it's because I am born again and of the Kingdom of God, not of this world that is full of delusions.
So I do not look up to any Church ! but the one true Church, that being the body of Christ Jesus and he as the Head their of ! clearly that's where it's all at !
When I look back at all the Church denominations I once went to, how far have they fallen now astounds me !
Then I look ate the Islamic and Jew religions etc and it sticks out that such is so lost, that I could not truly give such the time of day to. for they are clearly on the wrong path ! for they are of this world and have no idea at all ! for they do not understand Salvation in Christ is what saves one and giving direction so that one and all with in will have life in abundance ! and not wasted on folly and stupidity and malice.
It's called Grace ! and anyone who is not truly born again has not Grace in fact.
I was talking to a Jew 3 weeks ago and he claimed about grace that Jews have grace ? the grace he was on about is worldly grace carnal grace, for he could not understand Christian Grace is Charity ! not charity as in a carnal sense that most yobbos think such is.
For if one does not have Charity one is not Saved ! for they do not have Grace ! not to mention they do not posses real Love ! for they know not for they are deprived of such. lacking of such !
That's why Jesus said regards to Marriage that Moses gave one the right to divorce ? due to the hardness of their hearts. and that says it all !
ButterflyJones
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They don't believe Yeshua was Messiah. And also the dualism that is the antichrist scripture is not in their Tanakh.
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