You have totally lost me. Who is contradicting what? Or, what's contradicting who?
Reader Poll - Where did the Bible come from?
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The bible, when opened in order to validate beliefs, must be seen with open eyes and in search of truth.
That is why proper hermeneutics must be taught. Man has a real problem with exegesis - which requires much more honesty and examination that eisegesis - which is how to many doctrines have been established by man.
The Bible has truth, but it remains hidden because, despite what so many claim, people don't want to reexamine the proof-texts which have been thrown at them for a very long time.
So, does God provide truth? He already did. Then does He guide us into seeing and understanding what has already be written? Absolutely,
I don't expect Yahweh to write more to add to the scriptures - so it is a complete book - at least the manuscripts are. Our translations often don't match the thoughts given in the manuscripts. God simply responds to our prayers for truth USING the manuscripts for truth.
That is why proper hermeneutics must be taught. Man has a real problem with exegesis - which requires much more honesty and examination that eisegesis - which is how to many doctrines have been established by man.
The Bible has truth, but it remains hidden because, despite what so many claim, people don't want to reexamine the proof-texts which have been thrown at them for a very long time.
So, does God provide truth? He already did. Then does He guide us into seeing and understanding what has already be written? Absolutely,
I don't expect Yahweh to write more to add to the scriptures - so it is a complete book - at least the manuscripts are. Our translations often don't match the thoughts given in the manuscripts. God simply responds to our prayers for truth USING the manuscripts for truth.
I have made a forum career out of examining such things. Which has often branded me as an unbeliever.
The question would be. an unbeliever in what? I would say spurious doctrines and standard apologetic proof-texts.
Jesus came to seek and to save THAT which was lost. - What was it that was lost?
This is what happens to me when I listen to a sermon. I texted my wife. It says THAT instead of WHO. ??? Jesus came to seek and save that (THAT) which was lost. What was the THAT that he came to seek and to save? The traditional translations use THAT. The modern translations use "the lost"...
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I guess as believers in the Creators, many have become so zoomed in that all they can see and will consider is one particular book. As one who was guilty of being so narrow focused, I had missed out on so much other knowledge of God, from God.
Since zooming out, I have been able to explore new truth and receive new revelation of our Creators Themselves, what They are doing and what They are going to do in the future.
It is absolutely fantastic and I would encourage everyone to be open to be led by the Spirit to looking more broadly.
Personally I love being out in nature and looking out for what the Spirit is communicating to me. With no bible in sight. I would say that probably every time, He informs me of new things. It's awesome.
If that's too extreme for you, take a bible with you until you can go without it. Be assured that the Spirit will be accompanying you. If you have ears to hear He will communicate with you directly and you will receive new revelation.
How would you react to those who take your advice but end up with revelations that contradict your own?
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Here, grab hold:
2Co 11:4 For if, indeed, the one coming proclaims another Jesus, whom we have not proclaimed, or if you receive another spirit, which you did not receive, or another gospel, which you never accepted, you might well endure these .
Gal 1:9 As we said before, and now I say again, If anyone preaches a gospel to you beside what you have received, let him be accursed.
@Stumpmaster and @One 2 question
I was hoping to move this off-topic (but wonderful) discussion over to this new topic. Thanks.
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I was hoping to move this off-topic (but wonderful) discussion over to this new topic. Thanks.
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I have no problems with that as I trust in the Spirit to tell people what they need to hear individually and for the church.
Like Joshua and Caleb for instance.
I replied to this post on the other topic.
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What you say does not match the Bible. Satan will be destroyed Eze 28. Didn't you say he was forgiven and given a seat or do i have you mixed up with someone else?
It's not a case of "one particular book" as much as it is a case of letting the spirit of God reveal to us how to understand the bible translations that we have. There are many doctrines, many mistranslated words and phrases, and many proof-texts that deceive us if we don't allow God to validate things for us and show us the passages that clear up our understanding.
It is not my intent to throw away the scriptures, but to diligently seek Him and His truth.
I do pause and look at His handiwork and am amazed when I see the details that we largely ignore in His creation. But, while I have peace and praise Him, I don't get new revelations. When I study and ask Him for help in understanding, I get clarification and views of passages I had previously not understood. (That is because I had looked at only the proof-texts from a man who told me what to believe.)
Yes it sure is!! The first part-- but read on. Who is HE talking about here:
The king of Tyrus was not the covering cherub, and was not in Eden.
| Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. | ||||
| 28:13 | Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. | |||
| 28:14 | Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. | |||
| 28:15 | Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. | |||
| 28:16 | By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. | |||
| 28:17 | Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. | |||
| 28:18 | Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. | |||
| 28:19 | All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more. |
Right, thanks. I suppose the question is, how much of it was about Satan and how much was about the King of Tyre?
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Well, I would think it would start in verse 11 and go on down.
I have moved further and further beyond the revelations that were given in the past, including the little that were collected and put in the bible book. The Spirit of God has led me into new truths, revelations of things that aren't refered to in the bible.
Likewise. I too diligently seek Him and His truth but not so much from the bible these days.
I don't know why everyone doesn't get new revelations.
For me, maybe it was because I didn't seek for it as I only studied the one source.
I guess from time to time I found an expansion on an already established truth, truth provided by those who shared their revelations and had them documented in what we know as the bible. This sounds like your current experience.
I have had my eyes opened to the things that God would have me to understand. I would say that those times were awe inspiring and, at the same time, a time of stress for me.
If a person is not willing to have their pet doctrines shaken and new revelations given, this whole idea of letting Yahweh teach you will not work. Then again, I have learned that many who accepted the teachings of their chosen denomination will also claim that their learnings came from Yahweh when it came only from man. I dare say that they firmly believe it came from God.
There is a major difference between the two sources of conviction. That is something that has to be experienced in order to be understood.
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