Re: Sexually Immoral

[dremnant]

...he did not actually get legally married and has instead just took her to some pastor and they claimed he married them.

Turns out she's getting some benefits each month that would go away if she were to get married legally so because of this they did not get married legally so they could game the system to keep her benefits by not filing a marriage license.

I don't count this as sexual immorality. But this is like the practice of filing fraudulent tax returns.

The bottom line here is they don't trust God to provide all their needs, so they resorted to deception which in my opinion is worse than fornication.

 

[amigo de christo]

No it does not.

oh it do . we just didnt realize it did .
The early church IS the CORRECT church . and thus whaterver is written applies to all even today .
This second rate accusation has went on long enough from the womens lib and etc and hates of the patriarchy so called system .
WE gots bible haters is the truth .
People dont like things that get in their way and by golly they gonna heed the story of whatever man
does that for them . Just facts my friend . people pick and choose all the time .
As for the sheep WE CHOSE ER WORD of the LORD . no excuses , just happy living for us .

 

[Grailhunter]

oh it do . we just didnt realize it did .
The early church IS the CORRECT church . and thus whaterver is written applies to all even today .
This second rate accusation has went on long enough from the womens lib and etc and hates of the patriarchy so called system .
WE gots bible haters is the truth .
People dont like things that get in their way and by golly they gonna heed the story of whatever man
does that for them . Just facts my friend . people pick and choose all the time .
As for the sheep WE CHOSE ER WORD of the LORD . no excuses , just happy living for us .

The early church IS the CORRECT church…..polygamy, concubinage, slavery, and women as property. Yeap that is it.
Like I said, a lot Christians have issues with women’s rights.
But we are working our way out of it.

 

[amigo de christo]

The early church IS the CORRECT church…..polygamy, concubinage, slavery, and women as property. Yeap that is it.
Like I said, a lot Christians have issues with women’s rights.
But we are working our way out of it.

the lens of man is upon thee my friend . rather odd i dont see it all like that .
You have sat and heeded the wrong men my friend .
But what you wrote does not and did not suprise me . REMEMBER i told ya
I KNOW what they did to the churches . They duped them my friend .
I was once the worst of the worst my friend . THEY duped ya .
Its time we bible up again . We dont need they greek , their hermes or they anything .
Just love once again to read that bible for you .
You all have ZERO idea of what i once was . SO we aint got the time for all that .
SO lets just say I WAS WICKED and yet most would have loved me in todays churches .
I know what THEY DID my friend . THEY DUPED these churches
and it came into BOTH SIDES . there be zero hope in men , in politics ,
we has got to return to the heavenly my friend . Back to TRUSTING ONLY IN GOD and IN HIS CHRIST
and in HIS WORDS again . I know what they did . and beleive me i was no better than they
I was just as guility . WE MUST return to GOD , TO CHRIST and again , into our own bibles for our own selves .

 

[Grailhunter]

WE MUST return to GOD , TO CHRIST

Never went away

 

[amigo de christo]

Never went away

Just remember you all have no idea what i once was . and todays churches WOULD HAVE LOVED ME as though i was GOD himself .
yet i was lost and in sin , wicked as hell . you better keep that in mind . These people are DECIEVERS my friend
BIBLE TIME . they LIED TO US grailhunter , they LIED TO US . and many have bought into the lie .
BIBLE TIME . its that simple .

 

[Dash RipRock]

I said Christianity eventually condemned it.

The Lord Himself condemned it in His Word.

It's not sexually immoral in the eyes of God

Unmarried people shaking up having sex is in fact sinful behavior, aka known as fornicating

BTW, I don't see evidence in Scripture

I posted the evidence already.

Feel free to pick and choose which passages in God's Word you want to disregard as being untrue.

Your entire argument collapses under one Greek word: porneía. It appears all throughout the New Testament and is consistently translated as “fornication” or “sexual immorality” — defined as any sexual activity outside of covenant marriage. Jesus uses it in Matthew 5:32, Paul in 1 Corinthians 6:18, and it’s one of the four foundational prohibitions for Gentile believers in Acts 15:20. You can’t erase that word or redefine it to fit your argument. Whether or not wedding ceremonies are cultural is irrelevant — what matters is covenant. Hebrews 13:4 is explicit: “Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.”

The Bible doesn’t need to outlaw polygamy line by line — Jesus already restored the original model in Matthew 19:4–6, quoting Genesis 2:24: “The two shall become one flesh.” Not three. Not seven. The early church affirmed monogamy as the covenant standard, and Paul reinforced this when he said elders must be “the husband of one wife” (1 Timothy 3:2). Your historical observations don’t justify lawlessness. They show how far man drifted from the standard Christ re-established. What you're preaching isn't truth — it's a license to sin, dressed in footnotes and distraction.

The argument that “living together isn’t a sin” collapses under Paul’s teaching in 1 Corinthians 6:16–17. He makes it clear that sexual union creates a spiritual bond, whether or not a ceremony took place: “Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, ‘The two will become one flesh.’” Paul isn’t just talking about prostitution — he’s warning that sex without covenant binds you to sin and defiles the body, which is meant to be the temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor 6:19–20). The issue isn’t whether a couple “stays together” after sex — it’s whether the union was entered into before God, with accountability, covenant, and holiness. Anything less than that is porneía — and no amount of historical trivia will change what the scriptures plainly declare.

Good post, thank you.



Apparently some on the forum here aren't walking with the Lord as they should be which is pretty sad.

That's how a lot of religious people roll in these end times where deception abounds

 

[Dash RipRock]

Then according to Augustine

He's a false teacher who is ignored by those who have the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ and who know God's Word.

Genesis defines the process of how a man and a woman form a marrage without a wedding ceremony

And then under the New Covenant He tells us to obey the laws of man for the sake of the Lord

You forgot to include this in your discourse.

no scripture associates polygamy with sin

God said one man shall cleave to one wife

Anything outside of that is sin because it's not what God said.

And as for church history — Luther said

Luther is a false teacher who is ignored by those who have the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ and who know God's Word.

 

[Dash RipRock]

The early church IS the CORRECT church…..

Before the Catholics brought in all the false doctrine!

 

[ProDeo]

Unmarried people shaking up having sex is in fact sinful behavior, aka known as fornicating

When does a couple become one flesh ?

I gave Scripture, just scroll back.

 

[Mink57]

Concerning sexual immorality, the Lord has already spoken and it is settled forever - He does not accept sexual morality.

One can pray about it for years and years all they want and the answer will always be the same, He does not accept sexual morality.

Any discussions with the Lord that exclude what He has already said are exercises in futility because it's impossible for Him to lie. For all of eternity this will remain the same and shall never change - He does not accept sexual morality.






You might want to rethink your premise and conclusion, because you are not accepting what the Lord has already said on the matter.

I've spoken with this guy about it and he too has rejected what the Lord has said about it because he wants to have sex more than he wants to please the Lord. Putting anything before the Lord is idolatry






It's NOT OK to reject what God says just because they did things differently in the past than what God says in His Word.






The law states that in order for a couple to be legally married they are to file a marriage license with the state.

Of course shacking up and fornicating between two consenting adults is not breaking man's law, but it is a violation of what God's Word teaches

1 Peter 2:13,14 - Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good

Since he is not legally married he is a fornicator which is sinful behavior.

Not so fast.

First of all, if your profile is true and you DO in fact live in Kansas AND your friend also lives in Kansas, your state is one of 9 states that recognizes Common law Marriage as valid...IF certain criteria are met. Therefore, you don't need to apply for a marriage license (in your state) in order for the state to recognize your common law marriage as a valid legal marriage.

If your friend is holding himself and his wife out to the public as though they are husband and wife now, Kansas would consider them to be legally married. That is, if for instance, they refer to each other as "husband" and "wife"...if the wife has taken her husband's last name...if they both wear wedding rings...if they both live together as husband and wife...if they both file taxes jointly...if their friends address them as husband and wife...If they participate in events as husband and wife...jointly owning property as husband and wife...etc., Kansas would consider those events as contributing to the couple as "holding themselves out to the public as a married couple."

However, the events I suggested are not set in stone. For instance, not ALL married couples file taxes jointly, nor do ALL married couples wear wedding rings, NOR do all married women take their husband's last name. it would strengthen the couple's case but not doing those things wouldn't necessarily weaken it.

Now, as to what you quoted in 1 Peter 2:13,14 - "Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man..." The "ordinance of man" through the state of Kansas recognizes both formal marriage (one with a license issued by the state) and informal marriage (no witness, no paper license, no ceremony, etc.). Therefore, your friend is not going against 1 Peter 2:13. He is doing no wrong.

In most cases, a pastor won't marry a couple without a marriage license...unless they made prior arrangements with that pastor that didn't necessitate the use of a marriage license. Some pastors may know about Kansas' common laws regarding marriage, and perhaps will 'witness' the marriage without legally officiating the marriage. Also, in Kansas (as well as all 50 states) there is not legal need for 'witnesses' (plural). The pastor alone can serve as a witness. No vows are necessary. The only thing necessary is that both people agree to marry...and that's it.

You also mentioned that your friend's wife would lose some benefits if they went through a state officiated marriage. If your friend holds himself out to be married even without a formal marriage license, the state of Kansas could would them married...and his wife could still lose her government benefits.

From what the state laws of Kansas says, your friend isn't "fornicating", as sex is part of marriage, and common law (informal) marriage IS recognized by Kansas to be a valid form of marriage. You can't really say that the common law form of marriage isn't what God ordained because we KNOW that back then, God didn't issue Adam and Eve a marriage 'license'. And marriage 'licenses' weren't issued during biblical times (marriage 'contracts' however, were).

Plus, Jesus DOES talk of judging others. Maybe you might want to re-think your position....?

 

[Grailhunter]

The Lord Himself condemned it in His Word.

Find it in the scriptures....

Plus, Jesus DOES talk of judging others. Maybe you might want to re-think your position....?

This is one of the reasons that I focus on correcting false beliefs. People condemn one another out of ignorance. And if that condemnation leads to them turning away from Christianity and their souls are lost….will they be held responsible and in what way?

On Judgment Day is Christ going to send them to Hell or say He is not because they are stupid.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Find it in the scriptures....


This is one of the reasons that I focus on correcting false beliefs. People condemn one another out of ignorance. And if that condemnation leads to them turning away from Christianity and their souls are lost….will they be held responsible and in what way?

On Judgment Day is Christ going to send them to Hell or say He is not because they are stupid.

"Find it in the scriptures." Okay...

Jesus Himself Condemns Sexual Immorality

Matthew 15:19–20
“For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person…”

Mark 7:21–23
“For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness… All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

Revelation 2:20–22 (Jesus speaking)
“You tolerate that woman Jezebel… she misleads my servants into sexual immorality… I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely…”

Paul’s Warnings Are Even More Explicit

1 Corinthians 6:9–10
“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers… will inherit the kingdom of God.”

1 Thessalonians 4:3–5
“For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor…”

Ephesians 5:3–5
“But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you… For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure… has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.”

Galatians 5:19–21
“Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality… those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Hebrews and Revelation Double Down

Hebrews 13:4
“Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.”

Revelation 21:8
“But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur.”

You said “Find it in the Scriptures”?

Found it. Repeatedly. From Jesus’ own mouth. From Paul. From Revelation.

Sexual immorality is condemned throughout the New Testament as a defiling, soul-destroying sin that excludes people from the Kingdom of God.

Nowhere — absolutely nowhere — does Jesus approve of or permit sexual sin. He calls people to repentance, purity, and holiness.

 

[Grailhunter]

"Find it in the scriptures." Okay...

Jesus Himself Condemns Sexual Immorality

Matthew 15:19–20
“For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person…”

Mark 7:21–23
“For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness… All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

Revelation 2:20–22 (Jesus speaking)
“You tolerate that woman Jezebel… she misleads my servants into sexual immorality… I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely…”

Paul’s Warnings Are Even More Explicit

1 Corinthians 6:9–10
“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers… will inherit the kingdom of God.”

1 Thessalonians 4:3–5
“For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor…”

Ephesians 5:3–5
“But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you… For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure… has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.”

Galatians 5:19–21
“Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality… those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Hebrews and Revelation Double Down

Hebrews 13:4
“Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.”

Revelation 21:8
“But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur.”

You said “Find it in the Scriptures”?

Found it. Repeatedly. From Jesus’ own mouth. From Paul. From Revelation.

Sexual immorality is condemned throughout the New Testament as a defiling, soul-destroying sin that excludes people from the Kingdom of God.

Nowhere — absolutely nowhere — does Jesus approve of or permit sexual sin. He calls people to repentance, purity, and holiness.

Sexual immorality is a vague term if you are not specific.
Like do good or do bad, you have to be knowledgeable enough to know what is good or bad. And you do not.

No requirement for a wedding ceremony in the scriptures but that does not stop you, you just put words in God’s mouth and condemn. The sky is the limit as you make up your religion.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Sexual immorality is a vague term if you are not specific.
Like do good or do bad, you have to be knowledgeable enough to know what is good or bad. And you are not.

No requirement for a wedding ceremony in the scriptures but that does not stop you, you just put words in God’s mouth and condemn. The sky is the limit as you make up your religion.

Honestly, it’s like you’re standing in a park at 12 noon, and someone says, “Look — the sun is directly above us.”

And you respond:
“No, I don’t see it. There’s no sun out. It must be midnight.”

That’s how blind your argument sounds. The truth is right in front of your face — blazing like the sun — and you're still denying it.

 

[Dash RipRock]

I gave Scripture, just scroll back.

But you reject 1 Peter 2:13,14

your state is one of 9 states that recognizes Common law Marriage as valid

But the Lord does not accept fornicators shacking up calling it marriage

Most states that recognize common law marriage don't do so as being legitimate marriage and only do so for legality issues that arise when fornicators shacking up decide to split the sheets and break up.

Plus, Jesus DOES talk of judging others. Maybe you might want to re-think your position....?

Jesus tells us to judge righteously

John 7:24 - Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

The only way to judge righteously is to compare what people do and say to what God's Word teaches.

You should change your position to FULL Gospel instead of partial gospel which is picking and choosing which passages one thinks it true and ignoring the ones one does not agree with

Like Thomas Jefferson who cut out verses he did not like from the Bible including verses about Jesus’ miracles and the resurrection of Jesus because Thomas Jefferson was a servant of the devil.

Find it in the scriptures....

Already answered.

 

[Grailhunter]

Honestly, it’s like you’re standing in a park at 12 noon, and someone says, “Look — the sun is directly above us.”

And you respond:
“No, I don’t see it. There’s no sun out. It must be midnight.”

That’s how blind your argument sounds. The truth is right in front of your face — blazing like the sun — and you're still denying it.

No it is like you seeing the troll.
or flying pigs.
Its not there just in your mind

 

[ProDeo]

But you reject 1 Peter 2:13,14

Show me, where I did say that, I did not.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Show me, where I did say that, I did not.

You are speaking as one that is OK with someone claiming to be married without getting a marriage license and publicly making a marriage covenant before other people as witnesses.

In the US there are laws concerning marriage and since they are not in opposition to God's Word, Christians are expected to follow them for the sake of the Lord otherwise they are forsaking 1 Peter 2:13,14 which is being disobedient to the authority of the Lord Who is the One who put the governing powers in to place.

 

[ProDeo]

You are speaking as one that is OK with someone claiming to be married without getting a marriage license and publicly making a marriage covenant before other people as witnesses.

In the US there are laws concerning marriage and since they are not in opposition to God's Word, Christians are expected to follow them for the sake of the Lord otherwise they are forsaking 1 Peter 2:13,14 which is being disobedient to the authority of the Lord Who is the One who put the governing powers in to place.

Then you haven't read well, I said they sinned against government. Scroll back.